This is why I don't like to play for money!!! ...
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I went to a tournament about a month ago and played a guy some nine ball race to 7 for $200. We were drinking and having a great time, I ended up 4 sets up. Afterwards he asked me if he could get his money back the next day, I told him of course.
The next day my hands were bloody from very dry skin and playing way too much pool. It hurt to even hold a cue but when the guy approached me to play some more I said no problem and won six more sets, it was worth the pain!
It really is quite simple you beat up on someone until they quit or you set a predetermined time to end. If someone tells me they only have time for one set I will normally look for other action, if I only want to play one set then I will play.
If I play someone and they quit me after one set and didn't let me know beforehand I would never play them again.
THIS ISN"T ROCKET SCIENCE!!!
The next day my hands were bloody from very dry skin and playing way too much pool. It hurt to even hold a cue but when the guy approached me to play some more I said no problem and won six more sets, it was worth the pain!
It really is quite simple you beat up on someone until they quit or you set a predetermined time to end. If someone tells me they only have time for one set I will normally look for other action, if I only want to play one set then I will play.
If I play someone and they quit me after one set and didn't let me know beforehand I would never play them again.
THIS ISN"T ROCKET SCIENCE!!!
quite true....I've played Pebble Beach 4 times without ever a single chance of getting my money back from the course.
I stopped into the pool hall tonight at like 11pm after a corporate party with the higher-ups. I'm practicing and my line of sight is off...missing everything by a hair...
I figure, no biggie, I'll come around...I always do.
A guy wants to play for money...I say sure...
8 ball? I say...
He sais , sure...race to 5 for $50...sounds good to me so we start.
We play our set, I beat him 5/3 ...and 2 of the 3 games he won were where I ran out and tanked the 8... I'm playing as bad as I can play, so I'm playing smart and controlling the table. A lot of defense.
He pays the 50.
I say I'm done...gotta work tomorrow. Nice playing. It's 1AM ...I GOTTA WORK AT 8.
This is where it goes where you think it's going...
He and his entourage peanut gallery start complaining...saying...so that's how it's done...your not gonna play anymore? , they are being assholes. I say...I gotta work...ey keep at it as I'm unscrewing my cues.
I say, really, does $50 bucks really mean that much to you? I make that every ***edited....REALLY???
He keeps flapping...so I offer to play him for a little more next Thursday, up the bet some, make it worth my while, ( Thursday is my 1 night a week to play) he sais he's only in town for like 3 days.
I explain I gotta work, he doesn't understand...I explain that people that live in Myrtle Beach aren't all like jimmy buffet. We work. I also explain to him that he probably doesn't want anymore of this, since he couldn't even give me a game and I'm dogging 8's...playing like a donkey...what happens when I wake up????????Another set would put us into 2:30-3am ...can't do.
When is a good time to end a set...they're never happy when u gotta go cuz you have their money. So you have to play until they finally win it back????
I've never had someone hand over cash happily and not ***** that its over. I feel like throwing the measly $50 back at him and saying...fill your tank 1/2 way up.
SO FRUSTRATING...where's the fun in gambling???
Congratulation!
In the span of an hour and a half you managed to alienate a guy who basicly wanted to give you money to do something you love to do; play pool. Not only that but you now have suceeded in developing a reputation both there at the room and here as well for being one of those guys who are so quick to pull up from a bet. All for $50.00 lousy bucks.
Let's go over it for a moment: You walk in after 11pm knowing before hand you can't stay long but do you tell that to the guy who approaches you to play? No. How long do you think a race to 5 is going to take? He wants more but now you, after you beat him have to start woofing at him that he can't play, and you tell him how much BETTER YOU ARE THAN HE IS. And now you wonder why he gets mad about your quitting? Maybe he's been drinking a bit too. You didn't say anything about that, but he is one of these corp. guys right? He's out with his buddies trying to have a good time so the chances are he's had a few and he's lit up a bit.
So here you are getting involved in a late night game, say nothing about how long you can play, and now you're upset with him and his friends and complaining to us about how lousy gambling is because you run into guys like this.
Sounds to me like you acted pretty nitty and still haven't learned anything from it. My advice to you and those who agree with your actions that night would be to stay away from gambling at pool until you learn a better bed side manner. Next time you may have more than a verbal argument on your hands.
Tom
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Need I say more?
Hu
A wee hours post:
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One of many all similar posts:
Need I say more?
Hu
It's not a matter of not quitting winner. It's a matter of how and when you do it.
Another way to look at it- a man has a large bag of coins..you approach him, and he gives you a coin. You then go running off yelling "I got a coin! I got a coin!". Five others approached him also, but they didn't run off. The man with the coins kept giving them more coins as long as they stayed there.
What do you think the 5 that stayed were thinking about the one that ran off with only one coin??
Late sixties, Johnson City during my college yrs I overheard Luther Lassiter tell his opponent "OUT OF RESPECT'' I can only play for sixteen hours, then I must get some sleep and we can play again once I get my rest.
I definitely get your point, but what a lot of people seem to imply is that you need to stick around and keep playing to give your opponent a chance to win "his" money back. In my opinion, it is now in my pocket and it is MY money, and if I don't want to gamble anymore I should be able to walk away without people saying I am a nit or a loser (which I get a kick out of, call me a loser while your money is in my pocket all you want).
While I could possibly stay and bust the guy, I could also end up giving back everything I won and more. I'm not saying I win 2 games and go running off, but sometimes I just don't like feeling obligated to continue gambling just because my opponent lost. Maybe I'm at a point where I've had a few drinks and I know my game is going to head downhill soon, maybe I just want a break, maybe I'm happy with the couple hundred I made and don't care if I could make a few more.
Gambling is gambling in my opinion and my bookie doesn't call me up and say I need to gamble today because I won money on the game last night. He just pays me and knows there will always be another chance. I just wish pool players had an attitude like that but instead they feel the need to pressure you to play right then and there and then bring out the whole "quitting winner" line. /sigh
Then again, maybe they need the money that night so they can call up their guy and hit the glass pipe that Fatboy had mentioned.
Some how you missed the stakes. He was playing to impress his entourage and peanut gallery. You could have said give me fifty and I'll make you look like a pro. He would have gone back with his cue over his head and you would have gone home happy, fifty bucks richer for your practice.
Gambling head to head, or really any competitive activity done head-to-head are very different than gambling where the betting is not immediate and not immediately gratifying.
It's testosterone and serotonin. When people are stimulated by competition they want to keep going. Conversely those who are calm and not thrill seeking are far more able to walk away from competition at any time.
So consider that this don't-quit-me reaction isn't all about manners but instead could be a pretty much involuntary reaction to the loss of the stimulus. Kind of like a drug user who needs another bump, the alcoholic protesting last call, etc...
What I see though is a kind of divide here. Some of us grew up in the pool rooms of the 80s and early 90s which were kind of pre-leagues, when league play wasn't so widespread. The only competition was constant heads-up gambling and occasional tournaments.
Where I grew up we battled constantly, not for huge money but when you locked horns with someone then it was until the loser said he had enough. That's how we all did it and there was never a question of it being any other way. I can't even remember ever having a discussion about it until a good decade after I started playing seriously.
I talked about it with Joe Salazar once and he said in his day when you played someone and you didn't beat them you kept going back until you did beat them or you finally admitted you could not win. He said that's how all the players were with no chance of someone quitting you winner without you giving up. He told me he would go hunting for someone and keep playing them until he knew everything they did and could beat them.
Give the guy the $50.00 back, tell him to hold onto it until we match up again.
Win, win... he shuts up and if you do play him again you start $50.00 up.
Win, win... he shuts up and if you do play him again you start $50.00 up.
Good point....plus your making his actions look foolish.
BigS,
How many players showed up for your NE event?.
We didn't get it filled. We have 26... I was in the hospital and didn't get my flyers out like I wanted but it was a nice little tourney.
First was $500.00 even and first in the Calcutta was nearly $600.00 - all local guys.
WOW...I love how you made this into a story, how you turned a young scruffy looking kid with a baseball cap into a CORPORATE DRUNK ...to make your story sound better.
Lets start at the beginning of your made believe fairy tale...
1. I believe that my reputation is in tact...both here and at the pool room...I am friends with everyone there and this guy was an out of towner...like you. I also haven't heard too many jack-a$$ remarks or made up stories from anyone but Y O U !!! The posters who didn't agree with my actions, gave constructive, positive advice, with class...you did none of that.
2. I didn't see him drinking...and he's pretty in to pool, not just out with CORPORATE BUDDIES, LMFAO...this was a pool hall, not a bar.
3. How long do I think a race to 5 would take...half the time it did. That's reasonable.
4. Get a life. Offering advice is one thing...offering unsolicited attacks for no reason to people...who on here do you think values that kind of attitude!?!?
You're right about one thing though, someone did ruin their reputation. It just wasn't me.
Happy playing.
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That's fricken hillarious, thanks for the read!