This thread might cause some problems but your opinion requested
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I really don't care about every detail of Freddy's life and don't see how who he may have beat or lost to in 1985 relates to the quality of his books.
I have Banking With the Beard. My advice is that you go way out on a limb, put your $30 at risk and BUY IT!
I have Banking With the Beard. My advice is that you go way out on a limb, put your $30 at risk and BUY IT!
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because of this great thread, just today I bought his new book. Just leafing through it, I found it to be great. thanks for the great book, and even if you are not one of the 3 greatest bankers of all time, you are still a great player and an asset to the az community and to pool. thanks for that and thanks for posting on here.
mike athens
mike athens
What is a Shawn Armstrong???
Who is Shawn Armstrong??? YOU think you're something don't you?
Fred Bentivegna is a legend. Who are you? Who did you ever beat that didn't have an APA handicap? Post your list. Oh, never mind. Nobody cares who you play with.
You're one of these wanna be's who come out of the sewer every so often to rag on someone who has not only posts better than you ever will, but he plays 1,000 times better than you ever will.
Somebody ASKED HIM A QUESTION. He ANSWERED a question about how good he played. He didn't say "I'm the greatest. He gave a list as long as the enemies you made here on guys he beat. How good he played was left up to the reader of said list. Then lo and behold, it's a bird, it's a plane, no...it's SHAWN ARMSTRONG out to put down a legend. Who are YOU?
I can't believe how disrespectful you are. And you're probably pretty proud of yourself. Happy too.
This is why ambulances get called to pool halls.
Shawn Armstrong said:
Who is Shawn Armstrong??? YOU think you're something don't you?
Fred Bentivegna is a legend. Who are you? Who did you ever beat that didn't have an APA handicap? Post your list. Oh, never mind. Nobody cares who you play with.
You're one of these wanna be's who come out of the sewer every so often to rag on someone who has not only posts better than you ever will, but he plays 1,000 times better than you ever will.
Somebody ASKED HIM A QUESTION. He ANSWERED a question about how good he played. He didn't say "I'm the greatest. He gave a list as long as the enemies you made here on guys he beat. How good he played was left up to the reader of said list. Then lo and behold, it's a bird, it's a plane, no...it's SHAWN ARMSTRONG out to put down a legend. Who are YOU?
I can't believe how disrespectful you are. And you're probably pretty proud of yourself. Happy too.
This is why ambulances get called to pool halls.
You might want to actually see Freddie play via AccuStats. He has a tape playing some guy named "The Hat"? Or at the DCC recently at the Bank Ring game.
I think he does some nice commentary work all be it he does come from the Chicago school. Where you just stifle your opponents to death. He poses a lot of interesting thoughts as a commentator. I have his book as it is one of the few bank books available. But I am a strict Diliberto fan as far as insight to the one pocket game.
I think he does some nice commentary work all be it he does come from the Chicago school. Where you just stifle your opponents to death. He poses a lot of interesting thoughts as a commentator. I have his book as it is one of the few bank books available. But I am a strict Diliberto fan as far as insight to the one pocket game.
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Fred,
Sorry, I didn't read your reply before I posted this
Dale
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I'm not Freddy - but I might help with a semi-educated guess.
In Freddy's generation of action players the statement
"I beat player X" means you won a SESSION against Mr. X
not one game, not one set, not one match, but an entire session.
Things change over time - when Freddy first hit his stride,
action players didn't play sets/races - at least, not the ones I ever sweated - that came in the late 70s - after tournaments were more
common - there basicaly was no such thing as an action players
tournament prior to Johnston City.
Action took two formats.
game-at-a-time, payoff after each game - quit when you've had enough,
quitting winners was considered extremely bad form, the major nit move.
Freeze out - what is now know as an 'ahead set' to a pre-arrainged
number of games ahead, where each player puts up the money
before play starts<freezes up the cash>.
I don't mean to imply Fred must have won a session against
everyone on the list, doubtless some are short set victories,
probably in a tournament - but, I assume significant number
are sessions
Dale<nostalgic sweator>
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bomber said:
Aaron,
For what it's worth, I re-read your original post several times and personally, I do think you were just trying to get a better assessment of Freddy's speed. I also think you wrote it "respecfully" as well. I personally may have left out the stuff about the negative things you may have heard, but that's just a matter of writing style I guess.
From your posts and the PMs we've exchanged in the past, I'll vouch for you being a good guy here. Not that you need it. Freddy's the one under the bus right now, but he's got many friends here vouching for him as well.
Nevertheless, whenever I here the infamous story of Mrs O'leary's cow kicking over the lantern and burning down half of Chicago....I'll think of you I'm sure!
Peace to you my friend
crawfish said:
I'd say you'd have legitimate bragging rights for that one set. While it's only a set, a set it is. To me, that sort of thing should be followed up with a comment along the lines of "while he should usually win against me, I did, in fact, whup him three separate times." It doesn't take anything away from the other fellow, at the same time it's gotta feel good to say that.
Flex
John Barton
New member
Shawn Armstrong - YOu have got the 7 ball from me anytime. You have to bet forum banishement forever - whichever one of us loses agree to banish ourselves from all pool forums forever.
I'd like to compile a list of players like Freddy has that is even 1/4 as good as his - even if they were races to three of three ball.
You use stupid over-exaggerated made up examples to prove your fantasy ideas.
I will stake Freddy against you any day of the week in any game on a pool table. You can get your shot to add HIM to your list of people you beat - the only stipulation - you have to bet a large amount of money so you can say you actually won something.
Freddy! Your book IS THE NUTS - I have won a good amount of money banking balls in 9-ball, 8-ball, and 1-pocket using the techniques in your book. I am sorry but I hope you go broke trying to sell it because I hope that most of the Know-Nothing nits who would rather call you out in this disgraceful manner instead of coming off $15 will stay ignorant so I can BUST THEM.
I'd like to compile a list of players like Freddy has that is even 1/4 as good as his - even if they were races to three of three ball.
You use stupid over-exaggerated made up examples to prove your fantasy ideas.
I will stake Freddy against you any day of the week in any game on a pool table. You can get your shot to add HIM to your list of people you beat - the only stipulation - you have to bet a large amount of money so you can say you actually won something.
Freddy! Your book IS THE NUTS - I have won a good amount of money banking balls in 9-ball, 8-ball, and 1-pocket using the techniques in your book. I am sorry but I hope you go broke trying to sell it because I hope that most of the Know-Nothing nits who would rather call you out in this disgraceful manner instead of coming off $15 will stay ignorant so I can BUST THEM.
If all this is because you want to buy his book....just buy it. I can tell you his book is very good and will help your banking game. You DON'T have to be the best to write a book. You don't have to be a world champion to teach pool. Some of the current best teachers in pool & billiards do not hold any/many titles, especially #1 world rankings.
I have read his book "banking with the beard" and it help my banking game and speed control (more than any bank book or tape I've ever read/watched). It is worth the money. I do not know Freddy, but I could care less as to his past rankings in bank pool. He knows how to bank and he will teach you a lot about banking if you read it and apply the principles he is teaching.
Sell it on Amazaon used books if you don't like it.
I have read his book "banking with the beard" and it help my banking game and speed control (more than any bank book or tape I've ever read/watched). It is worth the money. I do not know Freddy, but I could care less as to his past rankings in bank pool. He knows how to bank and he will teach you a lot about banking if you read it and apply the principles he is teaching.
Sell it on Amazaon used books if you don't like it.
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freddy the beard said:
I went over Freddies list to see how many of these guys I have played over the 50+ years I have been playing. Some of them in tournaments and some gambling. Somewhere between 30 & 35 of them. Then I went back over it to see how many I have won against. My God! I really am a sucker. John Henderson
http://bankingwiththebeard.com/about.html
Check this out also, if you need convincing to buy the book. Sorry if all this is already posted as I have not read this whole thread...
Check this out also, if you need convincing to buy the book. Sorry if all this is already posted as I have not read this whole thread...
It wont work on me, John
I'm too old to go for that con, John. You will not trap me in Derby City. I heard you can still play a little. Unfortunately, a little is now too much for me. I will have to leave you to play Bruce The One Pocket Ghost, he's probably more your speed.
The Beard
jrhendy said:
I'm too old to go for that con, John. You will not trap me in Derby City. I heard you can still play a little. Unfortunately, a little is now too much for me. I will have to leave you to play Bruce The One Pocket Ghost, he's probably more your speed.
The Beard
freddy the beard said:
Good read Freddie. John is relentless. I'm trying hard to make myself play a little so I can take a ball from John and play some One Pocket, his best game.
That's right John, one stinkin' little ball, 8-7. That's all I want. Your neighbor T-Rex gave me 8-4 and beat me. It's true, just ask him. I felt like a total sucker after that, and for 300 a game too. I KNOW he can't give you that game.
Let me know if you want to play, and give me a couple of weeks to get ready. 50 or a 100 a game is fine. Nothing serious. If you want, we can play Banks even also. Some of both.
Now lay off Freddie. He's so far over the hill, he went over the next hill too.
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freddy the beard said:
Old habits die hard Freddie and I would love to play the Ghost some, but he wanted me to send him a plane ticket when he was in So. Cal. I gamble a little but don't bet enough to send good players plane tickets. I guess I'll have to see If I can get Jay to switch to 9/8.
First off as a Chicagoan who has seen Freddie play many top players I would like to say I never saw him ducking anyone who came to town. I've seen Freddie play Bugs, Efren, Incardona, Melvin "Strawberry" Brooks to name a few and if you look at his list I can say there is no embellishing there. Seems there is always someone trying to knock or discredit someone who has gained some recognition. Once again I think Jay nailed it in his post. Philwfreddy the beard said:
jrhendy said:
no No and NO!