This time I've been had, and it was nasty...

Back when I owned my poolroom, there was a regular who would bet it up with anyone who came through the doors. All the other regulars wanted a piece of the action .... BUT ..no one would get down unless they were sure he had at least a 6 pack of Heinekens in his bloodstream. That's no lie. I saw him break and run 3 racks of 9 ball using the ass end of my floor mop without chalk.

Some folks just need a touch of gasoline to freestroke.
 
Drunk

Like someone said, some people need a touch of gasolene. I'm a nervous person when playing for money because I don't do it much. Lube my stroke arm up with some drinks and I have no trouble. I've literally shot some of the best pool of my life trashed:frown: Sometimes auto pilot takes over, not really sure.
 
sorry to hear about your luck. sounds like you got hustled real good. this is why i never play for money myself. only drinks. ya never know how good a hustler somebody is, even if youve known them for a few months. lesson learned, tho, eh? and im the same way, campos. i can usually do better after 2 or 3 beers. not trashed, tho, lol.
 
Fastolfe said:
The poolhall owner... He played the longest game ever on me, and I'm down 500 :(

I've known the guy for months. He plays 9-ball only (when he plays, which isn't too often), and he plays like crap. I mean he shoots straight, but whenever something's complicated, like getting out of a safety, he just whacks the balls. Also, he usually doesn't bother playing 1, 2, 3... When he sees the ball and the 9, he plays the 9, whacks like a moron and sometimes (too often) sinks the 9. That's also what he does against honor league players from other clubs who come play tourneys at his place.

Today, I proposed a few games, race to 3 for 5 euros. As always, he declined, saying he never plays for money, but he'd play me for drinks. And as always, I whipped his ass. I mean, he did win games with his lucky shots, but my trying to play consistently and somewhat intelligently prevailed. Drinks after drinks (9-ball races to 3 are short, especially if he makes one of his 10-rail, I-don't-know-what-the-hell-I'm-doing-but-it-might-just-work shots), he started to get real drunk.

At some point, he said "okay, how about double or nothing. Race to 5, if you win, I cancel the entire bill for today. If you don't, you pay double" (I had been playing for a few hours before playing him). I owed 30 euros or something, so I thought what the hell, if he's pulling one on me, it's not too costly. I said sure. And I won.

Then he said "how about race to 5 for 500". I said "I thought you never played money? At any rate, it's late and I gotta go" He said "Look, we've got a game going here. if you leave now, don't bother setting foot in here again" Wow... So either he was too drunk and he didn't know what he was saying, and tomorrow he'd have forgotten, or he's serious and I'll be ejected from the place, and if I won he'd be mad, or if he won I'd be 500 cold... Damn I hated that, what a stupid decision to make.

Anyway, I took a chance on him being drunk. I said yes reluctantly, and he suddenly played like crap no more. I didn't touch a ball... And he really was completely drunk... F*
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You should have said hell no the the double or nothing game and no to the 5 for 500 game. 5's way too short a race to be betting 500 on. you're a customer and you should have told him if he didn't want your money weekly he could go F*ck himself and just never went back.
 
Fastolfe said:
I know he isn't, we both play 1st division in the league :) He usually sucks, but I know now it's an act. Why he choses to hold his speed all the time is beyond me.



He's known my speed for a long time. He also knows I only play 9-ball with him and another guy, because they refuses to play anything else, and I hate 9-ball.



I don't know, 5 games without touching a ball, looks like his top speed to me.



No he won't. It's already hard to get him playing at all, let alone play for money. It's the first time he plays me for money, and I think it was the booze who made him do that. I'd be surprised if he changed completely overnight and started to play for cash on a regular basis.
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he's 500 euros richer and you don't know why he hides his speed all the time??????????

no wonder you got got
 
Okay, just to clear things up:

- The owner, his wife, the barman, most of the regulars and I are good buddies. His wife is the sweetest little lady you've ever met. Believe me, she wasn't in on anything. I've known these people for months, sometimes you just have to drop the paranoia.

- I never "barked" at him. Whenever I asked him to play money, it was a joke, and he took it as such. I knew what he had said about never playing money and I was just teasing him with that.

- I don't want to squeeze anybody. I have hustled small time in the past (that's how I got my current pool cue) but I haven't since 2001. That doesn't mean I don't like a money game once in a while.

- Yes, 500 was WAY too much. The main reason why I said yes is because if I had been banned from this place, I would have lost my ranking at the regional league (the team plays there), and the only other reasonable pool hall worth playing at is over 30 miles away. That's what was nasty in this bet: I would have refused if the only thing I stood to lose was his respect, or his friendship, but using his power to kick me out to force me to play just wasn't cool. I was kind of cornered into playing. He admitted as much today as a matter of fact.

Now, I went back to the poolhall today. The barman and a few patrons there told me the owner finished the night completely toast, throwing bits of food around and pissing in the potted plants. So he was drunk alright last night.

Later, he came in with his wife, as they do everyday, and took me apart. He told me he had slipped and shouldn't have done that, and gave me my money back. In return, I paid yesterday's bill in full, so we were even. I grilled him and his wife a little about why he wouldn't play money, or show his real speed. They didn't say much, but they let me understand that he had a bit of tumultuous past, and something happened that made him change his way of living completely. I guess he has betting in his blood, and alcohol helped him break his promise or something. But hey, *I* didn't force him to drink.

So, back to playing straight pool for fun. Yes, I learned three lessons: (1) I really should stay clear the hell away from 9-ball, (2) people's individual realities are stranger than you can imagine, and (3) I'm a sucker :)
 
Stand Up Guy

He sounds like a stand up guy. He just got a little pissed up and took it to you but sobered up and gave you back your cash. Not too many around who would do that.
 
You gave the guy zero respect. Enough to come to AZB and claim he plays like crap, whacks like a moron, ect... If that is what you think of the guy I am sure he was quite aware of that from your attitude, and the disrespect you showed him bugged him enough to give you a lesson in humility.

Maybe it is just me but a friend of mine has nothing to fear from me coming to AZB and posting the stuff you just said about this guy. I would not feel right about doing it.

And then you repost saying your "friend" was pissing in the potted plants and throwing food around his pool hall? Even if this is true, he confides in you that he might have a past, it might include substance abuse issues he might not want to tell you about so you can post it on AZB as well? He was WAY too generous with you IMO, he should have kept your money and after that last post you would be making the 30 mile hike to the other pool hall.

There is a distinct lack of class and respect you are showing in this thread that I am starting to guess you also showed in person that led to the whole thing in the first place.
 
you should return the show of class. take the $500 and buy him and his wife a nice christmas gift. with it, give them a card thanking him for the lesson.
 
Celtic said:
You gave the guy zero respect. Enough to come to AZB and claim he plays like crap, whacks like a moron, ect... If that is what you think of the guy I am sure he was quite aware of that from your attitude, and the disrespect you showed him bugged him enough to give you a lesson in humility.
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Not so. I never EVER show what I think of someone's way of playing, and I usually keep quiet when I play. I never showed him any disrespect, far from it. But what I was trying to explain in my original post is that it was the way he appeared to play up to now.

Celtic said:
Maybe it is just me but a friend of mine has nothing to fear from me coming to AZB and posting the stuff you just said about this guy. I would not feel right about doing it.[...]
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You don't know who he is, I made extra sure nobody does. Do you think I'm that dumb?

Look, I did something stupid, and so did he probably. I was trying to share the moment candidly with the folks in this here forum. That includes explaining what happened (since you weren't there), who said what, who thought what, while of course not divulging anybody's identity, which is what I did.

I guess I'll restrict the topic of my future posts to the game itself. There's plenty to discuss with the game alone and it won't elicit reactions such as yours :/
 
Don't let him get you down, Fastolfe. I enjoyed your story, and think you represented it here ambiguously enough.

It does sound as though you got off lucky. A lesson learned, and perhaps a better friendship with the guy (and his wife) as well.
 
he could've used a trick for slowing absorption of the alcohol...

Fastolfe said:
He was drunk: I saw him down 10 bottles of Desperado in half an hour. Given how often he was going for a leak, I know it wasn't faked. And yes, he knew what he was doing, and it definitely wasn't the first time.

The thing that gets me is his usual attitude when he isn't drunk. In the light of what happened tonight, and considering how ticked off his wife seemed with the whole affair, he almost looks like he's a reformed gambler trying to stay away from the vice. I'm quite sure he isn't after money, and I'm almost certain he didn't wait for so long to take my mullah on purpose. I must have asked him to play for cash at least a hundred times before and he was always adamant he never played money. He's also not the kind to scare away his customers like that. I think he let a side of his personality show that he didn't intend to show, were he not drunk.
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Drinking olive oil or eating greasy foods, while it won't let you avoid getting drunk, it will slow the absorption rate of alcohol and if you drink a lot quickly you won't be a drunk as you should be as soon as you should, and it will help with a hangover...

He may have done this and then after you left hardly be able to stand up...

Jaden
 
Fastolfe said:
The poolhall owner... He played the longest game ever on me, and I'm down 500 :(

I've known the guy for months. He plays 9-ball only (when he plays, which isn't too often), and he plays like crap. I mean he shoots straight, but whenever something's complicated, like getting out of a safety, he just whacks the balls. Also, he usually doesn't bother playing 1, 2, 3... When he sees the ball and the 9, he plays the 9, whacks like a moron and sometimes (too often) sinks the 9. That's also what he does against honor league players from other clubs who come play tourneys at his place.

Today, I proposed a few games, race to 3 for 5 euros. As always, he declined, saying he never plays for money, but he'd play me for drinks. And as always, I whipped his ass. I mean, he did win games with his lucky shots, but my trying to play consistently and somewhat intelligently prevailed. Drinks after drinks (9-ball races to 3 are short, especially if he makes one of his 10-rail, I-don't-know-what-the-hell-I'm-doing-but-it-might-just-work shots), he started to get real drunk.

At some point, he said "okay, how about double or nothing. Race to 5, if you win, I cancel the entire bill for today. If you don't, you pay double" (I had been playing for a few hours before playing him). I owed 30 euros or something, so I thought what the hell, if he's pulling one on me, it's not too costly. I said sure. And I won.

Then he said "how about race to 5 for 500". I said "I thought you never played money? At any rate, it's late and I gotta go" He said "Look, we've got a game going here. if you leave now, don't bother setting foot in here again" Wow... So either he was too drunk and he didn't know what he was saying, and tomorrow he'd have forgotten, or he's serious and I'll be ejected from the place, and if I won he'd be mad, or if he won I'd be 500 cold... Damn I hated that, what a stupid decision to make.

Anyway, I took a chance on him being drunk. I said yes reluctantly, and he suddenly played like crap no more. I didn't touch a ball... And he really was completely drunk... F*
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30 Euros worth of drinks, eh?

That's a whole lot of coffee and tea? You did say you only drink coffee and tea...................... hmmmmmmm.

JoeyA
 
jdxprs said:
you should return the show of class. take the $500 and buy him and his wife a nice christmas gift. with it, give them a card thanking him for the lesson.
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It's not easy to find such a good guy, he's trying to redeem himself from betting or alchool problems (or both...) and he showed he's serious on that by giving your money back. Anybody can "slip", but one in a million will do what he did the day after.
I've got the feeling that his wife has a lot to do with that. You both should thank her I believe...:)
 
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