Those Two Undercover Monster players are real. I have photographic evidence!

I didn't even see if that specific method works, but basically there are tons of ways to recover formated data. No video, no proof.

It looked like it works pretty damn good and its freeware.

Yeah, all those movies where we are all tense because the progress bar shows the info being deleted are sort of, well, fictional (unlike this story).

I, too are ready for the video (good thing the huge polite gun-toting Russian didn't know).
 
It was actually 16 racks if you count the first rack when he kicked at the one. Got shape on the two. Then ran out. Then broke and ran out 15 more to get 15 ahead.

The bar owner broke and ran the first rack.

I have witnessed a lot of pool. But never saw anyone run 16 racks.

Maybe we can have the other poster verify that this was one of those two road players.

I think I can state I'm 95 percent convinced this is the guy from New York. When I saw him, he had his head shaved, wearing red glasses. In this photo it looks like he has a goatee or some facial hair growing. But he was clean shaven when I saw him.

But I tended to clock the guy from New York as a bit better than the guy from Arizona.

I can confirm I saw a big Russian guy talking to them. But I assumed it was their stake horse. Although another guy come over from time to time to check in on things. That had to have been their stake horse then.

Bobby, I don't know if you are online anymore but whenever you check back in please, PLEASE, PLEASE try that data recovery of the SD card in your camera!

The video posted earlier in this thread.

Guys! GUYS! I don't want to say I told you so.... BUT I TOLD YOU SO!

Hard Times is gonna get taken for ever last dime. It's gonna be the biggest pool heist in history.

Who knows.. some Hollywood types might stroll in and back someone like Dennis or Shane for crazy money and lose $500K or something.

These road agents might haul north of half a million from Hard Times.

Maybe even a million if the stars align!

I remember watching Earl Strickland play Mike Siegel some sets for $50K a piece.

And that was decades ago.

In today's money that is super large.

HEY! GLAD YOU GOT SOME PROOF OF LIVE HERE, BOBBY!

NICE WORK!!!
 
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Your (BTL) last post or activity was on:
Forum: Main Forum 06-17-2014, 02:13 PM

But you just happen to show up to confirm LHT'ers story.

Four days latter, and just a little more than two hours
after he said maybe BTL can confirm !!! :rotflmao1:

I hope you "Got Milk" 'cause you sure as hell don't "Got Slick"

BTL = LHT
 
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Well, I hope he got perfect on that 11 ball on this shot as it looks t-i-g-h-t !!
I ran a few onna Valley BB,................ guess I should go look for Dennis Orcullo :rolleyes::grin-square:

This looks like a silouette shot of a guy named "G". He's no longer with us. Perhaps you got a pic of him some yrs ago while playing him at some truckstop ?? Justa guess.


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and the saga continues, lol

if this is more of built to lasts bs then he's stepped up his game, im suspecting a bored trolling teen as all this fits that type of modus operandi

and that photo....is actually way cool and very artsy
 
It was actually 16 racks if you count the first rack when he kicked at the one. Got shape on the two. Then ran out. Then broke and ran out 15 more to get 15 ahead.

The bar owner broke and ran the first rack.

I have witnessed a lot of pool. But never saw anyone run 16 racks.

Maybe we can have the other poster verify that this was one of those two road players.

I did 7 a while back,on a valley Barbox, looks like I'm almost halfway to world beater status
 
A cab over Pete with a reefer on and a Jimmy haulin hogs. Looks like we got us a Convoy.

I think this guy is pulling a Bull Rack and hes laying some more on youse guys.

He has his Alligator Radio on and its wall to wall and 10 feet tall. Whats your 20 at the moment Good Buddy. Bet yer sitting in Cow Town at the moment cleaning out that Manure Spreader.
 
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Pretty damn obvious from the join dates/writing style/timing of replies etc. that itsfroze is 100% correct and these 2 usernames are the same guy.

My question is, what is the angle here? Should LHR/BTL start a thread in the WFS section?
 
I think I can state I'm 95 percent convinced this is the guy from New York. When I saw him, he had his head shaved, wearing red glasses. In this photo it looks like he has a goatee or some facial hair growing. But he was clean shaven when I saw him.

But I tended to clock the guy from New York as a bit better than the guy from Arizona.

I can confirm I saw a big Russian guy talking to them. But I assumed it was their stake horse. Although another guy come over from time to time to check in on things. That had to have been their stake horse then.

Bobby, I don't know if you are online anymore but whenever you check back in please, PLEASE, PLEASE try that data recovery of the SD card in your camera!

The video posted earlier in this thread.

Guys! GUYS! I don't want to say I told you so.... BUT I TOLD YOU SO!

Hard Times is gonna get taken for ever last dime. It's gonna be the biggest pool heist in history.

Who knows.. some Hollywood types might stroll in and back someone like Dennis or Shane for crazy money and lose $500K or something.

These road agents might haul north of half a million from Hard Times.

Maybe even a million if the stars align!

I remember watching Earl Strickland play Mike Siegel some sets for $50K a piece.

And that was decades ago.

In today's money that is super large.

HEY! GLAD YOU GOT SOME PROOF OF LIVE HERE, BOBBY!

NICE WORK!!!
Let me get this straight: these guys play at pro level speed right? How the f**k is that even relevant, only a complete moron will bet against someone that is way better than themselves.
If these guys are as good as you say, then they will not get any action, nobody likes to loose money.
If I'm playing someone for money, beer or whatever I wanna be damn sure I have atleast a 50% chance of winning.
 
Hello forum.

I am a long haul truck driver who plays pool with a hobby in photography.

When I am not steering my Peterbilt down America’s highways and byways, I’m steering my Sneakey Pete around the green felt in America’s bars and pool halls. Or I am taking pictures of God’s great America the Beautiful.

We live in a quite the country, not everyone appreciates how good or how beautiful it is, if we just look around a bit.

Anyhow, getting back to pool.

Truth be told, I am more of a barbox player than a big table player but I will hit balls on any table. Even snooker and 3-cushion.

I watch this forum religiously and want to thank the Lord above for the people who founded and formed Azbilliards. It has become the definitive internet stop for all cue sports related subjects and information.

Please pardon my long windedness. I am not much of an internet person as I don’t think I have much to share so I simply read the website and lurk and never post.
Until recently I didn’t even have an account.

But something has happened that I felt is post worthy so I figured I would finally get that account and make a post.

Those two undercover road agents mentioned in a post awhile back?

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=365388

Those guys are for real.

I was witness to one of their takedowns in a bar in Oklahoma.

They travel with both a stake horse and a strong arm guy.

The players are both the nicest guys you could ever meet. Very polite. Professional. Even generous to a fault off the pool table. But make no bones about it. These guys are road agents of the highest caliber and they take the game very seriously. Why shouldn’t they? It’s their living.

I do think there undercover time is up. Things are starting to trickle out here and there about them and if what the other poster was taking about in the other thread is true it makes total sense for them to try and snap off Hard Times for the tournament and then all the action they can handle later.

Anyhow, getting back to Oklahoma.

I see thousands of people from thousands of locales and I can peg people to a fault. I pegged the New York guy and the Arizona guy. I know which is which. But the Arizona guy is the better player. They are both world beaters and I am sure when either of them is in the zone no one on God’s green earth can touch them.

But I think the retired gentleman who travels in his RV mixed them up.

I think the Arizona player is a bit better of a player.

Anyhow, they hit a bar in Oklahoma and took five grand off the owner. First the guy from New York took down one of the top players there for like $700 hundred playing $50 a rack Eight Ball. Got up 14 games and the guy paid off and quit.

I watched him put two six packs on the guy. It was over in like 45 minutes.

The action table is right by the bar, and when people match up. They rope off the table. So it’s just the two players and whoever is tending bar. The bar is in an L shape though so everybody else can still get served on the end. They simply rope it off so no knuckle head who doesn’t know what’s up will bump into the guys who are matched up.
Pretty smart little barbox gambling set-up.

Anyhow, I have never seen any bar table Eight ball like that guy from New York was
playing. He was playing crazy run out Eight Ball. Jumping over the edges of balls. Moving balls. Breaking up trouble balls. Full table length draw shots when jacked up over a ball.

The guy he beat was actually a decent player, I saw him hitting balls before these road agents came in. He was a B+ or A- player.
Funny point of interest.

When the B+/A- player is counting out the $700 he was pretty distraught and the guy from New York was actually really encouraging. Told him he could tell he could play and there was no reason with some serious practice that he could become a world beater.

Tells him 16 years ago he played his speed. B+/A- speed. Then says he finally decided to take the game seriously. Moved to New York City. Rented a shitty one room apartment but one that was 15 feet by 20 feet, so he could fit a tight nine foot Brunswick in there and he took a shitty job working nights and simply worked the night job 8 hours a night. Sleep eight hours, and spent the other eight hours playing pool. That was his day. He tells this guy he did that for 10 years straight. Never went out. Never gambled. Got his game perfect and then he quit his night job and hit the road.

Damn. That’s dedication. And self control. For a guy to do that. Hole up in a ratty apartment that is essentially one large room and hit balls every waking moment when not working the night shift.

Well, after he gets done with the B+/A- player the owner comes over and claims he has never seen anyone play that perfect pool.

Then the guy from New York says, “Well, you haven’t seen my buddy play. He’s better than me.”

And the New Yorker points to a guy who has been watching next to another guy who I pegged as their stake horse.

Well, the owner couldn’t believe it. Said he gladly take a huge spot to play for some large money if his friend wanted to step up.

After very little haggling the game was set at 15 ahead Nine Ball for five grand. With the bar owner getting the 3 out.

Now they must have had a line on the bar owner. Because while I was there, I didn’t see the owner play.

That set took like 45 minutes.

Bar owner wins the flip. Breaks and runs out the first rack.

Second break. Doesn’t make a ball.

But hooks the guy from Arizona.

Arizona steps up. Kicks at the one to make it and get shape on the two.

Runs out.

Then breaks and runs the next 15 racks to win.

Broke and run 15 racks.

16 racks total counting from the kick the one to get out.

Now, here is where it gets kinda interesting.

I had my camera with me. And I was sitting in the corner taking a few pics here and there and it is a Canon 7D so it does video.

I recorded a couple racks as video on the sly and thought I was going to get away with it. But on the last rack. This huge Russian comes in and stands off to the side of the table as Arizona runs the last rack to win.

I can tell something is up. He stands off to the side. Watches as the owner reluctantly pays off Arizona. Watches as they have a little casual conversation. Small talk.
Then the huge Russian walks up to Arizona and Arizona points me out.

Damn my heart was pounding.

The Russian walks over to me, and in the most polite husky Russian voice I have ever heard said. “I can take the memory off your hands and pay you for it. Or I can watch you erase it and reformat it right here, and you can keep the memory card.” He casually let his jacket open a bit and I saw a shoulder holster. Yup. He was packing. He wanted me to know it too.

I apologized. Said I simply was excited to see pool played at such a high level and I’m a long haul truck driver who plays pool and does photography as a hobby and I wanted to document the event.

He understood. He was very polite about it. Said “his guys” were camera shy and simply didn’t want their photo taken that’s all.

I formatted the card right then and there. He watched me do it. He thanked me and they were on their way out of there. Everybody’s jaw still on the floor.

But here’s the kicker.

I went out to get the camera from my truck while the guy from New York was matched up in that eight ball match intending to take some photos and video of that match. Ran back into the bar. Snapped a shot of New York. But my memory card was full. I had to run to my truck to change the memory card. Came back with another one. The one the Russian guy had me erase.

They didn’t know I had a shot on the other memory card in my truck.
I have a picture of the guy from New York. Here it is.

Now before everyone jumps on me about ruining action for this crew. This is an event that needs to be known. These guys are the best pool players walking the face of the earth. How can anyone fault me for taking their photo?

Plus, they are coming out of the shadows anyway as the other poster claimed in the other thread. The news already broke. I did nothing wrong for wanting to document what I was seeing.

Plus, these guys aren't hustlers. They are headhunters. They are honest about their speed and go at it that way. Truth be told, it's the right way in my opinion.

Anyhow, that is the information I wanted to share.

Keep up the good work Azbilliards.

You got my action whenever I can get online.

Bobby

Here is New York jumping the edge of a ball to run out.

I've got bad news for you my very naive friend. The best pool players walking the face of the Earth are in Qatar now. But the good news is that some of them will be Los Angeles and Vegas soon. So these two wannabees can get all the action they want on a bar table or a big table. I'm here to tell you (and them) I will personally have ten dimes to bet on either Shane on a bar table or Dennis O. on a big table. I'm certain we can get at least that much in additional side bets. PLEASE have them call me right away so we can set this game up. I don't want them to come to L.A. and be disappointed. PM me for my number and e-mail.

I really do hope they are as good as you say and are willing to play my two guys. I love to see a good game and really don't mind if my guys lose to two better players. I will even take them out to dinner afterwards. :D
 
1) I just noticed that you and the OP'er that you want to confirm your story both joined in June 2014.

2) It also appears that his first post and your first post on AZ, in fact all his
posts and all your posts are about this topic. Strange...

3) The original posters name on this topic was, Built_To_Last.
Thread title: " Two undercover monsters are going to snap off Hard Times next month! " and today's thread "Those Two Undercover Monster players are real. I have photographic evidence!"
Here is the link to Built_To_Last original thread:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=365388

4) BTL last post was in the thread he started where all his posts
were, and it was on: 06-04-2014, 10:42 PM
Post # 245

5) BTL last visit to AZ (he didn't post) was on:
Last Activity: 06-17-2014 02:25 PM

6) That was by chance the same day you, longhauldriver joined:
Join Date 06-17-2014 (he didn't post)

7) But on 06-17-2014 BTL did post, the same day you LHD joined

8) And your only two posts weren't until today 06-21-2014
Your first post basically, confirming what the original poster said.
Your second post, wanting the original poster to confirm what you said.

Conclusion:
You are the same person, Well played, sort of !!!

You can add this obvious one to the list as well..

9) Compare post #1 and post #23 in this thread. They both write long posts, with tons of small paragraphs that are usually only one or two sentences long. They don't have the first clue how to paragraph correctly. But unlike most people who put what should be several paragraphs all into one paragraph, this writer splits up what should be one paragraph into about seven or eight tiny paragraphs. Pretty unusual and rare.

There are other similarities in their writing styles also but I won't bother because I don't think there is anybody out there that is believing any of the stuff coming from this multiple screen name poster anyway. But if you want to see if this could be a known member who is trolling, just think about the known members who make long posts that have a dozen or more paragraphs with only one or two sentences in each one and compare other things about their styles. There are only a very small handful.
 
!0) The titles from both posts are longer than most titles used and very similar in that
one is 11 words long and the other is 12 words long.

"Two undercover monsters are going to snap off Hard Times next month! "
"Those Two Undercover Monster players are real. I have photographic evidence!"
 
!0) The titles from both posts are longer than most titles used and very similar in that
one is 11 words long and the other is 12 words long.

"Two undercover monsters are going to snap off Hard Times next month! "
"Those Two Undercover Monster players are real. I have photographic evidence!"

You're right, it's probably 99.9% pure unadulterated bull crap! I must admit I've heard BS stories like this before and the players either were non existent or compete imposters (Superstroke Bruce Christopher). Only guy I ever heard a lot of hype (that turned out to be true) before I met him was Earl 30 odd years ago. They told me some teenager was running over all the top players in the South. I found that hard to believe and he turned out to be the real deal.
 
Oklahoma

I highly doubt there is a bar owner in Oklahoma willing to play for 5 g's and even if there was I would have heard about lol. Oklahoma is a small state and when you start talking about pool players it's even smaller. This is sounds like a mix of stories out of Jay Hefferts book and CJ Wiley playing the bar owner with a broken cue.

Pool is a small community no matter where you are in the states. These guys would have had to have competed at a high level in order to get to a "world class" level! Anyways have a good day and stop trying to sell ocean front property in Arizona because no one is buying
 
If you were thinking about bidding on this item on Ebay, the one cue is not a McDermott. Kind of funny the guy says a McDermott collector thinks it is a McDermott.

I can bet it is a 5/16-18 threaded pin. The shaft has a brass insert. And McDermott would never let a cue with that wrap leave the building. Looks like a carlscues cue...LOL.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400729283126


I let the seller know my thoughts, but as usual, he probably thinks I'm crazy.:withstupid:


Whoops------------this was supposed to be a new thread...........so I am a little crazy after all.
Hmmmmmmmm, crazy enough to have a couple of sock puppets too?;)
 
Do you also write product reviews online for cheap China products? They tend to go like this.

User1 post count 1
Hve U tryed this new laptop by HwongShu? It's cheep but I don't know if good, you can get it at www.crapforsale.com

User2 post count 1
Yes! I love that laptop its sew good! Beterr than Dell or HP! U need to trye it 4 sure!

User3 post count 3
U R rite, get that laptop and site www.crapforsale.com is also honorable and fast chipping to all world!

I am wondering if MrWilson will find the IPs of your two accounts very similar?

Plus what kind of idiot player trying to make money being an unknown would run 15 racks, or even 3 or 4?
 
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