Thoughts on pool ,life and 5 inch pockets

deanoc

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Hi Billy

When I saw your name on the response I got excited
I hope you are still feeling better

I sometimes think about you and jack and me going on the road
one last time, if you can still play maybe we can break even
 

skogstokig

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
If you search in YouTube 1988 Sigel earl finals, you will see espn covering a match where goldcrown table is setup in the middle of a large hotel venue and a lot of spectators around but very far away from the table... this is the setup that pool should have every time, this is legit table and pocket size, all tournaments should have this size pockets, it is the standard.


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i hope you are kidding. with today's top players on a gc with 5" they might as well settle it with the lag and don't bother playing. i'm not dissing gc:s or 5", but the pro level has risen way too high for that equipment
 

Jimbojim

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I really have a hard time believing that non pool players care about pocket size. Heck they probably don't even know that it can vary.

So might as well make it tighter for the real players but not to a point where you are scared of a certain shot.
 

bstroud

Deceased
Hi Billy

When I saw your name on the response I got excited
I hope you are still feeling better

I sometimes think about you and jack and me going on the road
one last time, if you can still play maybe we can break even

Dean,

I wish there was a "Road".

Bill
 

jay helfert

Shoot Pool, not people
Gold Member
Silver Member

So a "straight cut" pocket would be more, maybe 145 degrees. That is a pocket with no flared opening and the outer edges of the pocket from the throat to the mouth would extend on a straight line to the playing surface. We used to play on tables like that and they weren't easy by any means.
 

RiverCity

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
So a "straight cut" pocket would be more, maybe 145 degrees. That is a pocket with no flared opening and the outer edges of the pocket from the throat to the mouth would extend on a straight line to the playing surface. We used to play on tables like that and they weren't easy by any means.

A straight cut would be 135 (90+45).

I prefer pockets like that. I have my sub rails extended, and the geometry changed to 138 deg with a 12 deg down angle. 4 3/8" corners, 4 7/8" sides.

If you hit the heart of the pocket, youre fine, you touch the rail, it will hang. Takes balls down the rail fine. :thumbup:


 

garczar

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
So a "straight cut" pocket would be more, maybe 145 degrees. That is a pocket with no flared opening and the outer edges of the pocket from the throat to the mouth would extend on a straight line to the playing surface. We used to play on tables like that and they weren't easy by any means.
No, the wider that angle the smaller the throat, more pinched at the back. 145deg would be a pretty tight throat. Smaller than 140deg would be closer to parallel facings. 140 is about standard.
 
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deanoc

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
i remember when i got on az billiards
i sold 70 deano cues in about 7 days and became well known

before this i had sols expensive cues to dealers like john wright,hawaiian brians,terry at hollywood billiards,rick lansberg at best billiards etc

i was not used to dealing with experts like here on az

a guy called me about a Mottey or Schon and said
"where is the balance point"

I said i don't know how do you find it

he said "i don't know either but everyone on az was
talking about it

from then on I asked my friends Tim Scruggs,Mike Cochran,Jack Potter,
and a few others about ballance point. thet said they didn't take orders to change it and if a guy was interested it was a sign he didn't play good pool


I asked joe salazar where was the balance point on his cues," Red didn't know ,ronnie didn't care,
I asked Dennis Glenn and he told me it was not important,the great players don't care
they pick up a cue and play it if they like it

Si i quit worrying about it

After 70 years playing pool I have never once checked balance point
unless i was playing one handed because Ronnie taught me to hold the cue there for control


Now adays you don't read about it but it was the suckers designer thing on Az

I can not help but feel like all these details are balance point things, most people like to play on tables that they can make balls,most home tables are 8 footer with big pockets
 

BC21

Poolology
Gold Member
Silver Member
i remember when i got on az billiards
i sold 70 deano cues in about 7 days and became well known

before this i had sols expensive cues to dealers like john wright,hawaiian brians,terry at hollywood billiards,rick lansberg at best billiards etc

i was not used to dealing with experts like here on az

a guy called me about a Mottey or Schon and said
"where is the balance point"

I said i don't know how do you find it

he said "i don't know either but everyone on az was
talking about it

from then on I asked my friends Tim Scruggs,Mike Cochran,Jack Potter,
and a few others about ballance point. thet said they didn't take orders to change it and if a guy was interested it was a sign he didn't play good pool


I asked joe salazar where was the balance point on his cues," Red didn't know ,ronnie didn't care,
I asked Dennis Glenn and he told me it was not important,the great players don't care
they pick up a cue and play it if they like it

Si i quit worrying about it

After 70 years playing pool I have never once checked balance point
unless i was playing one handed because Ronnie taught me to hold the cue there for control


Now adays you don't read about it but it was the suckers designer thing on Az

I can not help but feel like all these details are balance point things, most people like to play on tables that they can make balls,most home tables are 8 footer with big pockets

Excellent point.
 

BC21

Poolology
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Silver Member
I visited Nashville over the weekend, went to Melrose Billiards and met up with a fellow AZ member to hit some balls around. Those old 9ft gold crowns have 5" corner pockets, easy, but fun. With the loud music and filthy unkempt tables, the place was more of a young couples hangout rather than a poolhall.

I rolled the balls onto the table and ran them out, leaving one for a break out shot and racking the other 14. Then I fired the ball in and scattered the rack and ran those out as well. There was a young couple, mid 20's, "playing" pool on the adjacent table. They looked to be on a first date because they did more talking than playing. In fact, they stood between the tables, drinks in hand, and just talked and laughed and carried on as if I wasn't even there. I'd say "excuse me" every time I had to shoot a shot from that side of the table, and they would move just enough to avoid the butt of my cue. So after that rack I just pulled the balls out of the pockers and rolled them over the table, then shot them all in from either end rail or the side of the table that wasn't continually blocked by this couple.

Then my new AZ friend showed up, introduced me to his son, and we had a great time just playing pool and talking about pool. And I found those 5" pockets began to play tougher. I was missing shots that I thought there was no way to miss! I was in a different frame of mind than when I had first walked in.

After my new friends packed up and left, I stuck around for a couple of hours, ended up playing a local guy named Pawel, and I was playing lights out pool again. This got me thinking....Deanoc is on to something here. When you can really play pool, pocket size makes no difference. Frame of mind, however, makes a world of difference.
 
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Boxcar

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I visited Nashville over the weekend, went to Melrose Billiards and met up with a fellow AZ member to hit some balls around. Those old 9ft gold crowns have 5" corner pockets, easy, but fun. With the loud music and filthy unkempt tables, the place was more of a young couples hangout rather than a poolhall.

I rolled the balls onto the table and ran them out, leaving one for a break out shot and racking the other 14. Then I fired the ball in and scattered the rack and ran those out as well. There was a young couple, mid 20's, "playing" pool on the adjacent table. They looked to be on a first date because they did more talking than playing. In fact, they stood between the tables, drinks in hand, and just talked and laughed and carried on as if I wasn't even there. I'd say "excuse me" every time I had to shoot a shot from that side of the table, and they would move just enough to avoid the butt of my cue. So after that rack I just pulled the balls out of the pockers and rolled them over the table, then shot them all in from either end rail or the side of the table that wasn't continually blocked by this couple.

Then my new AZ friend showed up, introduced me to his son, and we had a great time just playing pool and talking about pool. And I found those 5" pockets began to play tougher. I was missing shots that I thought there was no way to miss! I was in a different frame of mind than when I had first walked in.

After my new friends packed up and left, I stuck around for a couple of hours, ended up playing a local guy named Pawel, and I was playing lights out pool again. This got me thinking....Deanoc is on to something here. When you can really play pool, pocket size makes no difference. Frame of mind, however, makes a world of difference.

"Frame of mind." That's why Life and Pool have so much in common. Dean knows that, but most of these disrespectful know-it all wannabees don't. And they show it in everything they do.
 

strmanglr scott

All about Focus
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If I could break and run consistently(90%) then I could see pro cut pockets.

I would be pursuing high amateur or pro status at that point.

I'm a league player of 8 ball on 7ft valleys. I can't run the table 90% of the time off the break.

I'm gonna play on what I compete on. If the main competition around me was on 9ft pro cut, then that's what I would want.

Pro cut pockets tighten up your game. Just like playing on a valley bb loosens it up. But it's different pool play. We all know the crazy amount of English a player can use on a bar box. But a bar box player like myself doesn't play with all that English on a pro cut table. So I'm not practicing the game I compete at if I'm on a 9ft with tight pockets.
 

deanoc

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
bc 21 and the rest of you

it is amazing to see how respectful you guys can be

you would not think i had a controversial thread when i said
i am having a lot more fun with 5 inch pockets

you guys are having the same fun

i am free stroking again,just look and fire away
no second thoughts about that pocket won't accept this shot

no thinking how great it is to have small pockets to brag about even if i can't make a ball
 

Black-Balled

He Rides the Skies
Silver Member
Hi Billy

When I saw your name on the response I got excited
I hope you are still feeling better

I sometimes think about you and jack and me going on the road
one last time, if you can still play maybe we can break even

If you only play each other it'll work too!
 

deanoc

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
big pockets
little pockets
snooker pockets

if you think i am playing against Billy Stroud
you are crazy
 

eastcoast_chris

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Not a fan of 5" corner pockets... too easy for the average player to never miss. Not fun to get run out by a person that can barely control their cue ball.

To me tighter pockets doesn't mean pocketing is harder, it just means you need to have a better cue ball to still make all your shots fairly easy. i.e more skill.
 

BC21

Poolology
Gold Member
Silver Member
bc 21 and the rest of you

it is amazing to see how respectful you guys can be

you would not think i had a controversial thread when i said
i am having a lot more fun with 5 inch pockets

you guys are having the same fun

i am free stroking again,just look and fire away
no second thoughts about that pocket won't accept this shot

no thinking how great it is to have small pockets to brag about even if i can't make a ball

I don't think it's controversial, or at least it shouldn't be. You've brought up a great point on the subject of pocket size, table difficulty, ect.... And though many enjoy the challenge of playing on tight pocket tables, I'd say many more enjoy playing on easier tables. And that goes for players of all skill levels, any player that can actually have fun playing pool.

There's an estimated 8 million or more pool players just in the US, and as someone else has already mentioned, most of them don't know or don't care about pocket size. They don't know a 4" pocket from a 5" pocket, but one thing is certain: The more balls they can make the more enjoyment they get from playing pool. And more enjoyment means they keep coming back to do it.
 
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