Thoughts on TAR 21

realkingcobra said:
You really can't help yourself can you, as some people like you have such a big mouth behind a computer screen, in person it's always a different story:cool:
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The guy made a funny.

None of us here should be so touchy or thin skinned as to not be able to admire a fine shot. It's like pool -- you're playing a guy for the dough and he hits a nice shot. Most of us can still tap our cues or say the words and not take offense.

Lou Figueroa
 
future tar

first off thanks to all involved for a great match. really enjoyed it. shanes break is just incredibly consistent and too much to overcome. if neutal breakers were used i would bet alex though. as far as format i like the race to 100. not sure u could get more interest with shorter races. same people would purchase match no matter what
 
Island Drive said:
Why are you so confrontational all the time? Life is too short....
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Confrontational, or sarcastic? There's a big difference, I back up what I claim with facts, proof, and pictures, in the hopes that others might learn what to avoid, or at least ask for from a table mechanic before they turn over their hard earned money for a job they're about to pay for. I help raise the standards of how pool tables play, in an effort to try and bring some kind of awareness to this industry that as a customer, you don't have to settle for less, if you ask for, or demand better.

I also don't like watching pool matches being played on circus equipment and therefor voice my opinion as such. I also don't follow around an AZ poster to make stupid, sarcastic comments like Cleary does. He's nothing to me but an AZ poster with VERY big mouth.

Glen
 
Island Drive said:
Billy, just in seeing the earlier posts on the match, I totally understand your back situation, and was surprised you lasted as long as you did.

Put the shot clock in, and you may have a good point, only consideration I have is someones ability to somehow stall with this put into place when they have a lead nearing the end of the three hours.

Would like to see a STANDARD pocket size world wide for professional play, gambling a different story. But, packages of two's and threes (or break and run the set out) and, loser racks/winner breaks with the Majic Rack, sets race to five, each set begins with the other player breaking first (alternate who breaks first in each set, with winner breaks), best five out of nine sets with a tie breaker set if both are at 4 sets a piece (Lag for final break) would be like tennis, in the fifth set, race to 7, alt brake, win by two, and/or first to eleven games. Time for commercials between sets, time to get a snack and time to use the restrooms. It would be Fast and Loose like rotation play Must be to be accepted by the Public and programming, which is eventually where the true dollars will come from to bring our sport to where it NEEDS to be for success and for the players and their families.
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Bill, my proposed format includes the shot clock. If a player has a lead late in the match he's entitled to stall, but he's still playing against the shot clock. Management will be an important factor with this format just as it is with football and basketball, just make sure you don't start stalling too soon or late if you feel it's the right strategy.

The excitement of a close match nearing the end will be unreal, it could be the format that would create enough excitement to peak the interest of all pool fans, and others that aren't.

Billy I.
 
wincardona said:
Bill, my proposed format includes the shot clock. If a player has a lead late in the match he's entitled to stall, but he's still playing against the shot clock. Management will be an important factor with this format just as it is with football and basketball, just make sure you don't start stalling too soon or late if you feel it's the right strategy.

The excitement of a close match nearing the end will be unreal, it could be the format that would create enough excitement to peak the interest of all pool fans, and others that aren't.

Billy I.
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I like it.
Nothing like a good buzzer beater for the win.
 
Bigjohn said:
Bingo!... when the players are putting up all the cash... they don't give a rats ass about streaming
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I've heard this sentiment echoed by more than one player. One player said being filmed, whether a tournament or other venue, is like wearing a straitjacket after drinking 20 cups of coffee. :p

I'm not sure what he meant, but that's what he said to my partner.
 
realkingcobra said:
Confrontational, or sarcastic? There's a big difference, I back up what I claim with facts, proof, and pictures, in the hopes that others might learn what to avoid, or at least ask for from a table mechanic before they turn over their hard earned money for a job they're about to pay for. I help raise the standards of how pool tables play, in an effort to try and bring some kind of awareness to this industry that as a customer, you don't have to settle for less, if you ask for, or demand better.

I also don't like watching pool matches being played on circus equipment and therefor voice my opinion as such. I also don't follow around an AZ poster to make stupid, sarcastic comments like Cleary does. He's nothing to me but an AZ poster with VERY big mouth.

Glen
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It just seems like conflict arises ALLOT when I read yours posts, don't know if it others that ''pull your string'' or what, I've just found myself bypassing your threads and going on to the next one.
 
Pool needs a shot in the arm and it's got to come from somewhere, there's something missing with pool to create the interest to put it over the top. This type of a format could possibly do that. I understand that with this format you would need an official at every table but there's nothing wrong with using it for the semi and final matches.

The average time it takes for a race to say eleven games is about 1-1/2 hrs. So that would put a race to 15 at 2 hrs. What's wrong with using this format using a two hr. match with a 25 second shot clock between shots? This would offer TV an exact time allotment. You can lengthen or shorten the time allotted to fit into whatever time allotment requested.Therefore the length of a match will never be mismanaged, which would make it more appealing for TV.

I really would like to see TAR do a match using this format. TAR would be a perfect vehicle to test this format.

How about the best two out of three 1 hr. sets using this format? With sets this short (1 hr.) we will be able to see the excitement that close finishes will create.

Has all the makings for success.:thumbup:

Billy I.
 
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wincardona said:
Pool needs a shot in the arm and it's got to come from somewhere, there's something missing with pool to create the interest to put it over the top. This type of a format could possibly do that. I understand that with this format you would need an official at every table but there's nothing wrong with using it for the semi and final matches.

The average time it takes for a race to say eleven games is about 1-1/2 hrs. So that would put a race to 15 at 2 hrs. What's wrong with using this format using a two hr. match with a 25 second shot clock between shots? This would offer TV an exact time allotment. You can lengthen or shorten the time allotted to fit into whatever time allotment requested.Therefore the length of a match will never be mismanaged, which would make it more appealing for TV.

I really would like to see TAR do a match using this format. TAR would be a perfect vehicle to test this format.

How about the best two out of three 1 hr. matches using this format? With a match this short (1 hr.) we will be able to see the excitement that close finishes will create.

Has all the makings for success.:thumbup:

Billy I.
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Billy, I very much agree with a lot of what you're saying. Thinking about it, I look at TAR like a heavyweight boxing match. I would love to see pool at the point where that is a new standard of "champion of the world". Tournaments are cool and Im taking nothing away from them, but a TAR match to me is much like a major boxing fight. I don't think your format would work for a tournament or for pool as a whole, but for a special event, it could.

At the same time, I think pool as is, is beautiful.
 
iba7467 said:
Noooooooo!

Savers suck and exhibitions suck. You guys have the most competitive, exciting live-action pool on the net. Once players start chopping and playing funsies, it no longer is what it is. It's then garbage just like the Gabe/Scott match
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I whole heartedly agree with this. It would simply become a business transaction.:frown:
 
RKC:

There's something you should know about Cleary before cocking-off.....
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He's Batman.

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SpiderWebComm said:
RKC:

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He's Batman.
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Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with you. :thumbup:
 
Island Drive said:
PGA Golf has One size cup hole on the putting surface, I'm sure there's a good reason for it.
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Golf also has black tee boxes, often builds special tee boxes JUST for the pros when they have a tournament, and tends to make the pros play on courses like Augustus which is a couse WAY harder then most amature golfers have ever attempted to play. I'm sure there's a good reason for it.

Tiger Woods was quoted as saying that he would bet most "scratch" amature golfers they could not break 100 on a US-Open coarse from the pro tees with the greens and rough cut the way they were for the pros. When you see actual well below scratch professional golfers going into the 80's on the course it becomes pretty believable.

The pros of golf play on a playing field that most amature golfers could not dream of attempting to play on.
 
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