Throwing Your Cue....

Jason and RiverCity:

The technique is far older than I am alive. It's not mine....yes, it's a real technique. Just because you've never been exposed to it doesn't mean it's garbage.

I don't post garbage info---- non-traditional, yes, garbage...no. This technique produces straighter results than a release and catch, in my opinion, otherwise.... I'd post about release and catching.

It's cool you're not into it....to each their own. Relax--- don't be so militant.

IF you think it's shit, create a video proving it. I'll create a video of stroke shots with it that'll make your head spin.

Dave
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Jason and RiverCity:

The technique is far older than I am alive. It's not mine....yes, it's a real technique. Just because you've never been exposed to it doesn't mean it's garbage.

I don't post garbage info---- non-traditional, yes, garbage...no. This technique produces straighter results than a release and catch, in my opinion, otherwise.... I'd post about release and catching.

It's cool you're not into it....to each their own. Relax--- don't be so militant.

IF you think it's shit, create a video proving it. I'll create a video of stroke shots with it that'll make your head spin.

Dave
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Ive been exposed to plenty of bad ideas in my lifetime Old. New. Doesnt matter, bad ideas dont know or care what year it is. IMO it is in fact garbarge as opposed to a REGULAR STROKE, (I dont advocate a slip stroke either). Otherwise every professional pool player, every short stop etc etc etc etc would be doing it on every hard shot. That in itself is proof enough, no video needed from me there.
If it helps YOU, good, Im happy for you. To each his own is exactly right. But dont post it like it is THE way to stroke a cue on a hard shot.
Chuck~~~not being militant, being honest
ps Post some stroke shot videos, Ill post some too! Stroke shots are good entertainment. :D
 
Well, I have never seen anything like this before, very different I must say. If this technique will help me to NOT b1tch shot the long straigt in money ball, I will give it a try. Thanks for the video...

B.
 
The fact is

if you have good stroke mechanics to begin with, there is not a need for a release and catch stroke or a throw stroke. These 2 are nothing more than a band aid for a bad stroke to begin with. They are gimmicks.
 
I need to get this conversation back to center. Although releasing the cue could be used for nearly every shot, it's not what I advertised. It helps you stroke straighter under extreme pressure. STROKE MECHANICS HAVE ZERO TO DO WITH DOGGING/TURNING YOUR CUE UNDER PRESSURE (that's mental, not mechanical).

The best players in the universe who have perfect stroke mechanics puke on themselves and miss shots they normally wouldn't for the cash or for a historic event.

Now, based on the some of the other posters, they never dog anything. If you stroke straight - that doesn't mean you don't dog. Personally, I don't like the term "garbage" information. It wasn't Nagy's "CIRCUS STROKE".... personally, I don't think anything that guy did was circus-like or garbage-like. I don't think he invented it--- he learned it from someone else, liked it... and incorporated it into his game....and ran who knows how many 150/200/300/350+ packs with it. If the technique was a joke, you could have spotted the man, right?

Let people try it on their own and determine for themselves--- which is why I made the video. Like I said.... go ahead and post some videos of yourself so we can check out what you're doing right. :)
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I need to get this conversation back to center. Although releasing the cue could be used for nearly every shot, it's not what I advertised. It helps you stroke straighter under extreme pressure. STROKE MECHANICS HAVE ZERO TO DO WITH DOGGING/TURNING YOUR CUE UNDER PRESSURE (that's mental, not mechanical).

The best players in the universe who have perfect stroke mechanics puke on themselves and miss shots they normally wouldn't for the cash or for a historic event.

Now, based on the some of the other posters, they never dog anything. If you stroke straight - that doesn't mean you don't dog. Personally, I don't like the term "garbage" information. It wasn't Nagy's "CIRCUS STROKE".... personally, I don't think anything that guy did was circus-like or garbage-like. I don't think he invented it--- he learned it from someone else, liked it... and incorporated it into his game....and ran who knows how many 150/200/300/350+ packs with it. If the technique was a joke, you could have spotted the man, right?

Let people try it on their own and determine for themselves--- which is why I made the video. Like I said.... go ahead and post some videos of yourself so we can check out what you're doing right. :)
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Dave, you seem to be the one getting militant.
Dropping your cue as you stroke the ball is trash. 99 out of 100 instructors will tell you the same thing. Defend it all you want, its not a worthwhile thing to do, or all the pros would be doing it.
Taking an eccentricity of one pro level player and saying its the best thing since sliced bread is ludicrous.
As far as I go, I have posted videos on this very site.
http://www.youtube.com/dashark
http://www.poolvids.com/RiverCity/public/
Theres some runouts in there, I can even post several more if you like.
I am playing at a B level right now, I make no bones about it. I need to get back to A level, and will be there again soon.
Dont challenge me as a method of distracting from the point that dropping the cue while stroking is not a good technique.
Chuck
 
RiverCity said:
Dave, you seem to be the one getting militant.
Dropping your cue as you stroke the ball is trash. 99 out of 100 instructors will tell you the same thing. Defend it all you want, its not a worthwhile thing to do, or all the pros would be doing it.
Taking an eccentricity of one pro level player and saying its the best thing since sliced bread is ludicrous.
As far as I go, I have posted videos on this very site.
http://www.youtube.com/dashark
http://www.poolvids.com/RiverCity/public/
Theres some runouts in there, I can even post several more if you like.
I am playing at a B level right now, I make no bones about it. I need to get back to A level, and will be there again soon.
Dont challenge me as a method of distracting from the point that dropping the cue while stroking is not a good technique.
Chuck
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I wasn't getting militant, nor was I challenging you Chuck-- I promise. I'm only saying you're not an authority to even determine what's garbage and what's not. That's all. I learned it from a pro tour player, who learned it from a legend. As a beginner player browsing the site, I'd sooner check into something (no matter who crazy sounding) when it comes from that lineage versus a B player saying it's garbage--- see my point?

I'm friends with a lot of the top instructors on this site--- some are very traditional, some are not. I think what irks me with your post is you talk like you KNOW... but I'm laughing because obviously you don't. That's all.

Peace - I'm done w/ the back-and-forth. You win.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
I wasn't getting militant, nor was I challenging you Chuck-- I promise. I'm only saying you're not an authority to even determine what's garbage and what's not. That's all. I learned it from a pro tour player, who learned it from a legend. As a beginner player browsing the site, I'd sooner check into something (no matter who crazy sounding) when it comes from that lineage versus a B player saying it's garbage--- see my point?

I'm friends with a lot of the top instructors on this site--- some are very traditional, some are not. I think what irks me with your post is you talk like you KNOW... but I'm laughing because obviously you don't. That's all.

Peace - I'm done w/ the back-and-forth. You win.
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Dave, Ive been playing this game and have been around this game for almost 30 years. I know that dropping a cue while stroking is not good technique. I dont give a rats ass who told you it was a good idea. Its not.
Since you dont value my opinion.ask the instructors on this site. Some have already weighed in.
Believe whoever or whatever. I dont care what you believe. But do not try to TEACH someone something that is not good for their game. Again, ask the instructors, PLEASE.
Chuck
 
I'm just going to add my small opinion.

First off , the theory of or using a mental picture of throwing your cue at the ball is valid. It also applies to many other sports and movements.

The practice of actually doing so is not only completely silly but poor etiquette and dangerous to all equiptment involved which also applies to probably every other sports and movement where it could be practiced.


IMO , it should be illegal to do so anywhere but the privacy of your own (rubber) room. ;)

But more importantly , actually throwing the cue is not going to fix most other flaws in a stroke. If your stroke is not dead straight front to back already , throwing a cue off axis is not going to be any improvement. Let's not even get into how most people can't hit the precise spot on the ball normally and how 'throwing' a cue at the same spot is going to improve on those odds. :)
 
RiverCity said:
Dave, Ive been playing this game and have been around this game for almost 30 years. I know that dropping a cue while stroking is not good technique. I dont give a rats ass who told you it was a good idea. Its not.
Since you dont value my opinion.ask the instructors on this site. Some have already weighed in.
Believe whoever or whatever. I dont care what you believe. But do not try to TEACH someone something that is not good for their game. Again, ask the instructors, PLEASE.
Chuck
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Chuck:

I tried to drop this in my last post.

You're right...I don't value your opinion, no offense. I don't listen to B players (maybe) who say anything is bad info. I know why instructors would shy away-- it's non-traditional. Doesn't mean it's bad. Since you've been playing for 30 years and play the way you do.... maybe you should try something different.

This info helped me a lot - so I thought I'd pass it forward. Don't chastise me for it when you play a number of clicks below me.... and I've played for only half as long as you. People on this site know me for passing strong info---- nobody is reading what you say and improving their game from it.

Dave
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Chuck:

I tried to drop this in my last post.

You're right...I don't value your opinion, no offense. I don't listen to B players (maybe) who say anything is bad info. I know why instructors would shy away-- it's non-traditional. Doesn't mean it's bad. Since you've been playing for 30 years and play the way you do.... maybe you should try something different.

This info helped me a lot - so I thought I'd pass it forward. Don't chastise me for it when you play a number of clicks below me.... and I've played for only half as long as you. People on this site know me for passing strong info---- nobody is reading what you say and improving their game from it.

Dave
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You said it all right there. ;)
Thanks
Chuck
 
I'll give an honest try tonight.Mostly cuz I'm curious as hell.

I'm also going to work on the "body pivot" vid for banking....that one has me thinking I can get on board with some practice.

Thanks for taking the time and putting forth the effort.Obviously you knew this was outside the norm and went with it because you found it useful.You surely felt some people would scoff,but you went foward anyway.For that I say good job man.

I may not learn what you want me too lol,but if you get me thinking,I just might start learning somthing I had never considered.

Well done imo.
 
RiverCity said:
Dave, Ive been playing this game and have been around this game for almost 30 years. I know that dropping a cue while stroking is not good technique.
Chuck
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30 YEARS & STILL A B PLAYER, BUT YOU KNOW THIS WONT WORK? WHAT IS GOOD TECHNIQUE & WHY ISNT IT WORKING FOR YOU? PLEASE EXPLAIN-JUST TRYING TO LEARN.
 
I'll admit that something like this throwing the cue is a bit odd, but I would think that anyone that is against it should at least give it a few tries before totally dismissing it. You never know, it may help. I gave it a few tries last night, missed the ball every time and was extremely uncomfortable letting my $2,000 cue drop down on the bed of the table. So, for me, I don't foresee myself incorporating this into my game. But, I have to admit that I was very impressed with the way that Dave didn't miss even one of those long shots on the video. Seems to work for him so what right does anyone have saying it doesn't work? It may not work for you, but at least give it a try first.

Dave, are you gonna answer my question about the banking? Look at page 4 of this thread, you'll see it. It's towards the bottom of the page.
MULLY
not to mention the long draw shots straight back into the pocket. That's not easy to do even with a good stroke and he was popping them and drawing them back into the pocket like it was the easiest thing in the world. The technique has to have some merit.
 
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throwing the stick

Hi Dave, I know Nick Mannino and God rest hIs souL Gene Nagy...I even coached Nick in banking and diamond systems and he uses all of them...

About the throwing Gene got that from the the filipino`s most of them throw the cue...It is the purist way to hit a ball by not gripping the cue...The cue can`t help but to go straight...Gene`s high run was in the four hundred`s throwing the cue...He exaggerated the throw by letting go of the cue...He even broke the balls that way and so does Nick M....

I`am not saying that it works for everybody but it does work...I throw the stick also but I don`t teach it or try to change anyone`s game...You have to give up everything you have learned about basics to try it and most peopke find that very hard to do...

I hope that i have explained it so that you guys understand it a little better...

Ron V
 
Well. i have to say that this is probably the most interesting advice i have seen in years.

That being said, it is definitely not for me.

But i'm certainly not going to try and stop the masses from learning this technique.

If someone wants to gamble with me, and they can guarantee that their cue ends up on the table after every single shot, i will gladly give them all my money.

As for stroking ability, i'd like to see one shot executed with this cue tossed on the table technique, that i can't do with my normal stoke, let alone opposite handed.
 
This is quite an interesting thread. I tried throwing the cue a bit yesterday when practicing, and found it works pretty well for me.

I think I'll start using it for break shots in straight pool when the pressure is really on, as Dave suggests, and also for those must-make shots in other games.

As I dog straight pool break shots too often, I've really nothing to lose by trying this.

Dave, keep the "non-traditional" stuff coming. I like it.

Flex
 
The concept is good but its not new to me. I've know about it since SpiderWeb was a toddler! lol The real reason for the concept is tension, the great mass murderer of what could have been a good pool stroke.

Keep in mind though you don't actually throw the cue. You can, just to get the feeling of what taking tension out of your grip feels like but thats it. A similar thought is come into impact with less grip pressure than you started with. Once you learn tension in your grip is a great stroke killer you're on your way to being a better player. Use it if you want or not but if you know you tighten up on delivery, ie cut off jerky strokes etc then its worth considering.

I had a guy that liked the idea so much he tried using it at batting practice. Well, as you can imagine--------------- LOL

Rod
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Well. i have to say that this is probably the most interesting advice i have seen in years.

That being said, it is definitely not for me.

But i'm certainly not going to try and stop the masses from learning this technique.

If someone wants to gamble with me, and they can guarantee that their cue ends up on the table after every single shot, i will gladly give them all my money.

As for stroking ability, i'd like to see one shot executed with this cue tossed on the table technique, that i can't do with my normal stoke, let alone opposite handed.
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You know, not once did anyone say that this technique will make shots that you normally can't. The entire idea behind this thread is that if you have trouble choking on long straight shots this could possibly be an option for you. Why do we miss long straight shots? Not aiming, that's for sure. What happens is we tighten up, probably grip the cue too strong, our hand probably twists when we shoot. Tossing the cue forward like this will eliminate that. I beg anyone to argue that tossing it like this WON'T loosen your grip or WON'T prevent your wrist from twisting. It's impossible to argue that. If you're tossing it forward you're not in contact with it so it only has one place to go, straight forward. Again, Dave never said "Use this for all your shots, it's what will make you a great player." No, he said "If you have trouble *****ing this shot this technique may help you."

I honestly can't see how anyone can argue against at least giving it a try. Watch the video, it obviously works.
MULLY
 
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