To New Cue Makers - "The Hit" & Philosophy

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Rick Geschrey
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Hi,

If you are new to cue making, here is some things to consider as you develop your skills sets.

Have you ever met a cuemaker who has claimed their cues have the best hit? The eastern philosophies teach the value of being humble without ego to reach a higher enlightenment. I have discovered that a lot of cue makers don't fall into that category and that's certainly ok. Promotion and marketing sometimes require you to polish the apple. Let's face it we all got to eat!

In my humble opinion, "The Hit" is a very subjective judgement call and should not be judged or spoken of by the Cue Maker. When someone else speaks of your cues and says how good it hits, a simple thank you is order. When other people ring the bell for you it is always louder.

As a younger person in my past life and career I was very competitive and was full of ego concerning the selling and marketing of my company's services for the welfare of my family and my employee's livelihoods. "The Rat Race". Last week was my 56th birthday and reflecting on my life, I have figured out to let the cards fall where they will.

The Ancient Chinese had 3 simple rules for attaining success that are the golden rules and they apply to cue making very well. It goes like this:

1. Show up on time every time.
2. Be totally prepared for the endeavors you face.
3. Ignore criticism if you were faithful to rules 1 & 2.

Pretty simple but effective!

I have been working on and building cues for about 7 years now and consider myself a journeyman who has paid my dues in time and money in this trade. I have given away about 20 of my first cues to beta test them in the field so that my downstream flaws would be detected without any bashing of my reputation.

Let's face it, when a cue was given to you for free with the agreement that you were field testing it, you are not tending to bash the cue maker and spoil his reputation if you discover a flaw. This activity allowed me to Define the Root Cause for Problems, Take Corrective Actions, and Understand the Lesson Learned.

Again, if you are new to cue making don't build your first few cues and try to sell them. Give them away to your friends and see what happens in the field. Listen to the feedback of the people who play with your cues. I am in this for seven years and am just starting my website to sell cues. All of my dirty little secrets and mistakes have never hit the market and I don't have to worry about the bad press that comes from pool players who had a problem with a cue and flamed my product. Once you get a bad reputation, people talk and the word spreads, game over.

The next time someone asks you about the hit of your cue, describe it in a technical manor - stiff, soft, low deflection, ect. Let the other guy give his opinion without prejudice. If the other guy keeps ringing the bell for you, the world will beat a path to your door.

As for speaking about "The Hit" of my cues, I will leave that to the pool players. Besides, I am not qualified to judge it as I am mediocre at pool anyway and my stroke sucks big time!

Rick G.
 
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Hi,

If you are new to cue making, here is somethings to consider as you develop your skills sets.

Have you ever met a cuemaker who hasn't claimed their cues have the best hit? The eastern philosophies teach the value of being humble without ego to reach a higher enlightenment. I have discovered that a lot of cue makers don't fall into that category and that's certainly ok. Promotion and marketing sometimes require you to polish the apple. Let's face it we all got to eat!

In my humble opinion, "The Hit" is a very subjective judgement call and should not be judged or spoken of by the Cue Maker. When someone else speaks of your cues and says how good it hits, a simple thank you is order. When other people ring the bell for you it is always louder.

As a younger person in my past life and career I was very competitive and was full of ego concerning the selling and marketing of my company's services for the welfare of my family and my employee's livelihoods. "The Rat Race". Last week was my 56th birthday and reflecting on my life, I have figured out to let the cards fall where they will.

The Ancient Chinese had 3 simple rules for attaining success that are the golden rules and they apply to cue making very well. It goes like this:

1. Show up on time every time.
2. Be totally prepared for the endeavors you face.
3. Ignore criticism if you were faithful to rules 1 & 2.

Pretty simple but effective!

I have been working on and building cues for about 7 years now and consider myself a journeyman who has paid my dues in time and money in this trade. I have given away about 20 of my first cues to beta test them in the field so that my downstream flaws would be detected without any bashing of my reputation.

Let's face it, when a cue was given to you for free with the agreement that you were field testing it, you are not tending to bash the cue maker and spoil his reputation if you discover a flaw. This activity allowed me to Define the Root Cause for Problems, Take Corrective Actions, and Understand the Lesson Learned.

Again, if you are new to cue making don't build your first few cues and try to sell them. Give them away to your friends and see what happens in the field. Listen to the feedback of the people who play with your cues. I am in this for seven years and am just starting my website to sell cues. All of my dirty little secrets and mistakes have never hit the market and I don't have to worry about the bad press that comes from pool players who had a problem with a cue and flamed my product. Once you get a bad reputation, people talk and the word spreads, game over.

The next time someone asks you about the hit of your cue, describe it in a technical manor - stiff, soft, low deflection, ect. Let the other guy give his opinion without prejudice. If the other guy keeps ringing the bell for you, the world will beat a path to your door.

As for speaking about "The Hit" of my cues, I will leave that to the pool players. Besides, I am not qualified to judge it as I am mediocre at pool anyway and my stroke sucks big time!

Rick G.

I agree with you on this subject......anyone and everyone who has ever asked me the hit on my cue.....my response.... here hit with it it's for you to decide not me....
but then again I'm not that new.....about 10 years now. Asian market for the last 7 years
 
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I like the question, "whos cues do yours hit like?" Keep in mind I get this while holding or standing by my cues. I could understand asking this over the phone but not when the cue is right there for the person to try out.
I will say most cue makers do make the best hitting cue out there. They make it the way they like them to play. And, everyone likes something diffrent so invariably they also make cues people dislike. Nature of the beast. My advice is to make them the way you like and stick to it.
 
I do the same as others, give them a cue to try, Very common that I don't have one but I keep a spare shaft in my case and they can hit with my cue, But not my playing shaft.
 
I like the question, "whos cues do yours hit like?" Keep in mind I get this while holding or standing by my cues. I could understand asking this over the phone but not when the cue is right there for the person to try out.
I will say most cue makers do make the best hitting cue out there. They make it the way they like them to play. And, everyone likes something diffrent so invariably they also make cues people dislike. Nature of the beast. My advice is to make them the way you like and stick to it.

Just say hits like South West.
I can't even count how many times I have heard that.
Even from cues with single taper and real skinny forearm and handle.

Different woods equal different hit.
My mentor Kerry Zeiler kept it simple. Hits like a house.
 
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I will say most cue makers do make the best hitting cue out there. They make it the way they like them to play. And, everyone likes something diffrent so invariably they also make cues people dislike. Nature of the beast. My advice is to make them the way you like and stick to it.

There you have it. My response would be exactly the same. We all build the best hitting cues.
 
Make the best that you can make and then improve on it...90% of the buyers cannot tell the subtle differences but that doesn't matter, continue to be a student of all aspects of the game and cue building. At some point you will know that you've arrived at the hit you prefer. Forget all the opinions and you'll finds lots of other people that will also like what you're building, and if not, go around telling everybody what a great cuemaker you are and how your cues hit a ton compare to everybody else's. You'll be surprised at how many people will believe you. :)

Mario
 
go around telling everybody what a great cuemaker you are and how your cues hit a ton compare to everybody else's. You'll be surprised at how many people will believe you. :)

Mario

I don't know. Anybody I hear talking themselves up like that, I immediately think they're full of shit.

I'm also not sure I agree with giving cues away for free and expecting an honest evaluation. If I gave out 20 cues, I'd be willing to bet I'd have 20 nut-huggers posting about how great my cues are. I use that term because I sold a pretty expensive cue a few years ago that was a complete piece of shit. I took a lot of heat for that cue and that term was used a lot for anybody who liked my work. I was afraid to send out a cue for months after that.

Looking back on that cue, it was probably the best thing that ever happened to me. I also realized that from that day forward, anything I put out was going to be put under a microscope. It really bothered me at first. I'd only been building cues a few years, so why am I being singled out. Now it doesn't bother me at all. I take macro photos of every angle of my cues before I send them out. Not one has been perfect, but I do the best that I can and try to improve on every one.

Some people like them, some hate them. I can't control that. I try not to worry about what anybody else thinks anymore. I could honestly care less if I ever get another order. It wouldn't stop me from building more cues. Hell, if nobody wanted to buy them, it would save me a lot of the anxiety I have every time I mail one out.

When somebody asks me how my cues hit, I tell them "They hit like my cues." If they ask if I can make a cue to hit like an xxx cue, I tell them to call xxx.
 
When somebody asks me how my cues hit, I tell them "They hit like my cues." If they ask if I can make a cue to hit like an xxx cue, I tell them to call xxx.

same here, as we all know we all want try our best to make the best hitting cues but i think the key is to have a genuinity of the cues. The reality is that there are things beyond our control, as what above stated when it comes to hit, we all know its subjective. so expect others like it and other may not like it. oh and i forgot as always man always seeking the best and has no contentment.
 
I don't know. Anybody I hear talking themselves up like that, I immediately think they're full of shit.

I'm also not sure I agree with giving cues away for free and expecting an honest evaluation. If I gave out 20 cues, I'd be willing to bet I'd have 20 nut-huggers posting about how great my cues are. I use that term because I sold a pretty expensive cue a few years ago that was a complete piece of shit. I took a lot of heat for that cue and that term was used a lot for anybody who liked my work. I was afraid to send out a cue for months after that.

Looking back on that cue, it was probably the best thing that ever happened to me. I also realized that from that day forward, anything I put out was going to be put under a microscope. It really bothered me at first. I'd only been building cues a few years, so why am I being singled out. Now it doesn't bother me at all. I take macro photos of every angle of my cues before I send them out. Not one has been perfect, but I do the best that I can and try to improve on every one.

Some people like them, some hate them. I can't control that. I try not to worry about what anybody else thinks anymore. I could honestly care less if I ever get another order. It wouldn't stop me from building more cues. Hell, if nobody wanted to buy them, it would save me a lot of the anxiety I have every time I mail one out.

When somebody asks me how my cues hit, I tell them "They hit like my cues." If they ask if I can make a cue to hit like an xxx cue, I tell them to call xxx.


I totally agree with your thoughts Tony, I experienced a similar learning curve to what you described above, I also always try to build the best cue that I possible can, but with that said I have never been able to build a perfect cue. I also could care less what others think, again like you I will never stop building cues even if they did not sell.

Great post Tony
 
Just say hits like South West.
LOL
it can only hit like a SW if it has the 3/8x11 pin joey
you should know that by now :thumbup:


I can't even count how many times I have heard that.
Even from cues with single taper and real skinny forearm and handle.

Different woods equal different hit.
My mentor Kerry Zeiler kept it simple. Hits like a house.

recently at the bar while i was playing ,
some guy asked me how my cues hit
i'm in the middle of a game with a guy ,
so i honestly, at that moment i didnt even wanna talk with him about it
so i just replied, "they hit like sssssshhi******, or i wouldnt have just dogged that last 8ball"
 
If a cuemaker starts out making cues with the idea they will look and play like some other cue then he is off on the wrong path from the git-go.

I am thinking that a cue maker should be making a cue that HE thinks hits and plays exactly the way HE likes.
Trying to make a cue that everyone will like is an imposable task and will doom you to failure.
If you make a cue that YOU like then others will like it too.
Be true to yourself first and success will follow.

That being said ... what other cue measures up so exactly to your personal preferences?
You should feel that your cue actually is the best cue ... to you.
If you dont the big question is what are you doing wrong?

I still need to work an outside job to fund my cue making addiction.
If I won the lottery I guess I would keep on making cues till the money ran out.
 
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On hit:

Something I put in my blog from John McChesney.

http://jbcases.com/caseblog/2009/02/22/what-is-the-hit-of-a-pool-cue/

Hit is a very funny thing, and very personal. It's not entirely subjective though. You all know that certain construction techniques can change the "hit". And there are certain groups of cues with similar construction styles that have similar hits.

I just got a Jensen cue. I had a Jensen years ago. I loved the way it hit. So I was fortunate to be able to trade for one recently.

This cue hits awesome. It's indescribable how effortlessly I move the ball around with this cue. Now it could be any number of factors I am well aware of that. But the "hit" of this cue is that magical feeling that I think every player is looking for when they pick up a cue.

Now the next person who tries my Jensen might not like it at all. Therefore while I agree with the orginal poster's general premise of being humble I do also think that it's ok to study other cue makers and try to emulate them if you as a cue maker like the way that their cue plays.

I don't see anything wrong with a maker who says that his cue hits like Joss or some other brand if they want to categorize themselves like that.

As a seller I have however avoided that type of piegonholing as much as possible and try to get the customer to just go hit some balls.

This sells more cues than any description ever could in my opinion.

So I am going to tell you a story that may or may not interest you.

At one tournament in Germany I had a table full of cues laid out. A guy walks up and asks me what cues I have that hit like Meucci. In Germany they use the terms "soft" and "hard" to describe a cue's hit. And Meucci was considered soft. I tell him the closest I have to a Meucci taper is a Joss but that he really should just try any cues he sees that he likes. He disagrees and decides to try the Joss. Brings it back a little later and says it's way to hard.

Then he lingers for a moment and settles on a import cue and asks me how this one hits.

Now, this cue has a literall broom handle for a shaft. It's like 13mm with an almost straight taper, it's brutal.

I tell him I don't know and that he should try it and hand it to him.

He takes it and is gone for a good 30 minutes. When he comes back he tells me that this is the best hitting cue he has ever played with and buys it.

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So it's really pointless to gush about the "hit" if you are a cue maker because if you say firm, soft, hard, whippy, etc.... I guarantee you that someone out there will skip your cue because they THINK it won't be right for them.
 
On hit:

Something I put in my blog from John McChesney.

http://jbcases.com/caseblog/2009/02/22/what-is-the-hit-of-a-pool-cue/

Hit is a very funny thing, and very personal. It's not entirely subjective though. You all know that certain construction techniques can change the "hit". And there are certain groups of cues with similar construction styles that have similar hits.

I just got a Jensen cue. I had a Jensen years ago. I loved the way it hit. So I was fortunate to be able to trade for one recently.

This cue hits awesome. It's indescribable how effortlessly I move the ball around with this cue. Now it could be any number of factors I am well aware of that. But the "hit" of this cue is that magical feeling that I think every player is looking for when they pick up a cue.

Now the next person who tries my Jensen might not like it at all. Therefore while I agree with the orginal poster's general premise of being humble I do also think that it's ok to study other cue makers and try to emulate them if you as a cue maker like the way that their cue plays.

I don't see anything wrong with a maker who says that his cue hits like Joss or some other brand if they want to categorize themselves like that.

As a seller I have however avoided that type of piegonholing as much as possible and try to get the customer to just go hit some balls.

This sells more cues than any description ever could in my opinion.

So I am going to tell you a story that may or may not interest you.

At one tournament in Germany I had a table full of cues laid out. A guy walks up and asks me what cues I have that hit like Meucci. In Germany they use the terms "soft" and "hard" to describe a cue's hit. And Meucci was considered soft. I tell him the closest I have to a Meucci taper is a Joss but that he really should just try any cues he sees that he likes. He disagrees and decides to try the Joss. Brings it back a little later and says it's way to hard.

Then he lingers for a moment and settles on a import cue and asks me how this one hits.

Now, this cue has a literall broom handle for a shaft. It's like 13mm with an almost straight taper, it's brutal.

I tell him I don't know and that he should try it and hand it to him.


So it's really pointless to gush about the "hit" if you are a cue maker because if you say firm, soft, hard, whippy, etc.... I guarantee you that someone out there will skip your cue because they THINK it won't be right for them.


He takes it and is gone for a good 30 minutes. When he comes back he tells me that this is the best hitting cue he has ever played with and buys it.
i think i know him!!! must be the same guy that was telling me all about his super expensive best hitting best inlaid cue he ever owned. he said, "be right back, i'll go out to car and get it."
HELIX.
i didnt have the heart to tell him it was decals . ;)
when he said expensive,
i guess that means he got screwed when he bought it or $25 is "expensive" for a used cue

 
He takes it and is gone for a good 30 minutes. When he comes back he tells me that this is the best hitting cue he has ever played with and buys it.
i think i know him!!! must be the same guy that was telling me all about his super expensive best hitting best inlaid cue he ever owned. he said, "be right back, i'll go out to car and get it."
HELIX.
i didnt have the heart to tell him it was decals . ;)
when he said expensive,
i guess that means he got screwed when he bought it or $25 is "expensive" for a used cue


Might have been the same guy! :-)

I did try hard to put him on some of the better cues I had like Scruggs, Joss, Sherm, etc...but he insisted that the Tree Trunk was the best he ever played with.
 
hit

Honesty, with customers, is most important. Discuss your philosophy of how a cue should feel and then hand them one to hit balls. Try to match their weight request and general color scheme choice. I actually refuse to sell a cue to a customer without their being able to hit with it. I offer a full refund if the cue is returned in a week on an internet sale. Their cost is just in returned shipping(a fair trade for a test drive).

"Hit" is such a personal matter that I leave it to the customer and his pocketbook. The pocketbook often has much to do with the average customer's "hit" choice. They often will sacrifice playing characteristics for a dollar.

Also, sometimes when building a cue all the processes will go extremely smoothly. Fit will just miraculously happen. And the final cue will play fabulous. Other times you wll follow the same patterns of building and fitting and etc and if a problem can occur it will. Even though you have given your highest quality effort. A glue will not coat evenly, or set properly. A taper will look and measure fine but produce a whippey shaft when you want a firm and stout shaft. Points that should be perfect are off by 1/16th inch. Stuff happens. I believe we all experience this at different times.

I am willing to discuss each cue with a customer to find their correct "fit". "Hit" will come up in the discussion inevitably. Their pocketbook still seems to decide most often.
Tom Gedris, Triple Cross Cues
 
Cue hit

One thing I have learned about cue making is that EVERYTHING about a cue is SUBJECTIVE. The AZ Cue Build -off demonstrates this perfectly. As an example, here are some of the reviews about the cue I submitted in reference to "HIT" only.

1. Jarrod Spence, "Feel of cue was between soft and medium, hit good".
2. Melissa Little (the only pro player to evaluate the cues), "Best overall".
3. Unknown player, Third best hitting cue of the 5 reviewed.
4. Rob Moore, "Plays good but light hit".
5. Ftgokie, "Cue has a nice hit, but kind of soft for me".
6. SK Custom Cues, "I actually thought that this cue hit pretty dang good,
and it hit with the most feedback and tone".
7. UgotactionTX, "Feel of hit rates a 7".
9. Cueballdg, "Feel and Playability - 6".
10. Twoforpool, "'Hit was just OK".
11. John Biddle, "Beautiful hitting cue" (But according to John just about
everything else about the cue sucked).
 
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