To spin or not to spin?

Actually, he gave very good advice. Maybe you should re-read what he wrote. ?? He never stated that one shouldn't use spin. And, I think that if you re-read it, you will find that you essentially said the same thing he did.

I totally agree with teaching center axis first. There is a good reason for this. If you can't hit center axis reliably, you will never be able to hit anywhere else reliably either. Which means, you will never attain the repeat ability and consistency that you are capable of achieving.

Learn what center axis can do for you. Learn what the different speeds can and will do for you. Learn the 30 degree , the 90 degree, the 45 degree rules. Learn the 1/2 rule for draw. Then get into english. Learn the clock system. Learn what different speeds do with english. Learn what english does to the speed of the cb off rails. Learn to use all the way out on the cb. Learn to partial masse' and full masse'.

I'd say about half my shots are center axis. Then about 45% of the rest are about one tip of spin. Rarely do I need to go farther out on the cb. Although it does come up now and then.

English is a big killer of consistency in both shot making and position play with amateurs. Is it needed? Of course it is. You will never attain your top speed without full control of the cb. At the same time, with amateurs, I believe it is way overused. You will stay more consistent when you can stay closer to the center axis than when you are usually seeing how much spin you can get because it looks flashy.
I read it. Nothing is new. Please don't suggest I didn't read "it." Of all the posters on this ridiculous topics, I've read more than most. You need to go reread all of his posts.. I don't need to.

Freddie <~~~ must be a rookie
 
Mosconi and E. Taylor said it best.

They both told me to only use spin to make a ball that is not "ON" without it or to play position that you can not get with center ball.

I am a believer in center ball and with tighter pockets it makes it much easier to run out.

Try it. You'll like it.

Bill S.
 
To hell with working you way to it. You ain't gonna lean the true apex of a turn by driving it at a crawl.

Now get out there and put the pedal down.
One tip or closer is spin, unless you care to argue stun and punch strokes and sliding cue balls, in which one tip or closer still applies spin.

I would go to my first post and read it if you haven't. I am pretty sure it says to play inside the cue ball and learn to work your way out to the edges. That is just my advice. This has been passed down to me from a few fine gentlemen I had the pleasure to learn from, if you haven't heard of them you can look them up.

Steve Mizerak, Pete Margo , Sailor Bill Barge, Jack Colavita, Cicero Murphy, Jimmy Wellington, Danny Gartner, Sonny Cho, Raymond Ceulemans, Henry Dozier, Benny Mcnevich, Jerry Beans, Jimmy Esposito, and a few others you may have heard of.

There is also a link there to a comment Buddy made at post interview, you may want to click on it. Basically what he is saying is to Shoot holes through the cue ball like a piece of Swiss Cheese if you have to, use the entire cue ball, the whole darn thing.

Cue Ball Precision, Striking Technique, Hitting Your Intended Target on the cue with a straight delivery stroke is the name of the game. The other 15 balls are these shiney colored balls that are there while we play pool with the cue ball.

Everything else is Childs play compared. From aiming, pocketing, patterns, breaking, bridges, nose picking, and etc.etc. It's Childs play; a monkey can do it and teach it.

Bring your Cue Ball Knowledge and Straight Stroke, anything else about this game you can pick up under a car seat, it's not Rocket Science.

I had nothing to do today until 2:00 so I thought I would write a short Novel. I forgot how much fun it is to participate in this forum.

What the heck, I will save you the trouble here is the first post and link.

P.S. I also heard that playing center cue ball down is a great way to strike, playing the lower end so to speak.



Originally Posted by SmoothStroke
1991 U.S. Open Final.....Buddy Hall and Dennis Hatch
Tables were fast in 1991 also

Listen to Buddy's comments about spin at 39:50.

Even center ball and punchy players can play off the edges.

If you are a beginner play on the inside of the cue ball and learn to hit it clean.
Then gradually move out wider to the edges, to extreme edges, the max, to the miscue point, learn to spin.
A straight stroke helps.
The sooner you understand spin the better off you are.

If you can't use the entire cue ball at any given time you have a lot to learn about pool.

Find a billiard table with no pockets and learn the cue ball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVLJ3u5tWro
 
Learn what center axis can do for you. Learn what the different speeds can and will do for you. Learn the 30 degree , the 90 degree, the 45 degree rules. Learn the 1/2 rule for draw. Then get into english. Learn the clock system. Learn what different speeds do with english. Learn what english does to the speed of the cb off rails. Learn to use all the way out on the cb. Learn to partial masse' and full masse'.

I'd say about half my shots are center axis. Then about 45% of the rest are about one tip of spin. Rarely do I need to go farther out on the cb. Although it does come up now and then.

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What category would you say that shot of yours falls into, Obi-Wan Kenobi?
 
Mosconi and E. Taylor said it best.

They both told me to only use spin to make a ball that is not "ON" without it or to play position that you can not get with center ball.

I am a believer in center ball and with tighter pockets it makes it much easier to run out.

Try it. You'll like it.

Bill S.
Hey Bill, how is you're game since you hung-up the lathes? Last time i saw you play was against Bob Baldwin at the BilliardPalace in Tulsa. You'd stopped in to see Mike Betts and Bob was there and you guys played some $50 one-hole. Guessing it was around '88-'89.
 
BeiberLvr you're such a party pooper.

FYI, I had a GIF ready with Steve Davis miscueing, cue ball flying high and landing straight into the pocket. I have miscued more than a couple of times in my life and I'm a great player.:smile:
 
BeiberLvr you're such a party pooper.

FYI, I had a GIF ready with Steve Davis miscueing, cue ball flying high and landing straight into the pocket. I have miscued more than a couple of times in my life and I'm a great player.:smile:

I'll take the 7 :thumbup:
 
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What category would you say that shot of yours falls into, Obi-Wan Kenobi?

Well, due to the results, it could be one of several reasons, or even multiple reasons.

1. I was practicing the snooker style of play. :p

2. I was playing in the 4th dimension instead of just 3 dimensions.

3. I was practicing my speed control on shooting to a pocket with a blocker in the way. Much as Ronnie was in the clip of him doing the same. Speaking of that, please note my use of CTE on the shot. Notice that my shot went right to the heart of the pocket line, whereas Ronnie's shot was off to the side a little. Although, that could also be the result of me using center axis, whereas Ronnie used a little english on the shot and improperly adjusted for the squirt. Which again explains why he hit the point of the pocket and not the heart of the pocket. ;)

4. While this is an advanced training technique, and I realize that most viewing it will not be at that level and will only see it as a simple miscue, I still felt it was worth including in the video. :)
 
Well, due to the results, it could be one of several reasons, or even multiple reasons.

1. I was practicing the snooker style of play. :p

2. I was playing in the 4th dimension instead of just 3 dimensions.

3. I was practicing my speed control on shooting to a pocket with a blocker in the way. Much as Ronnie was in the clip of him doing the same. Speaking of that, please note my use of CTE on the shot. Notice that my shot went right to the heart of the pocket line, whereas Ronnie's shot was off to the side a little. Although, that could also be the result of me using center axis, whereas Ronnie used a little english on the shot and improperly adjusted for the squirt. Which again explains why he hit the point of the pocket and not the heart of the pocket. ;)

4. While this is an advanced training technique, and I realize that most viewing it will not be at that level and will only see it as a simple miscue, I still felt it was worth including in the video. :)

Good for you that you had this included in the video. It's a good sign.

But I think you don't know something about this stroke. It is impossible to properly spin the cue ball using this stroke. And maybe that's why you suggest staying at ccb.

PS. If you don't know how to use your wrist, no LD shaft on earth can help you.
 
Well, due to the results, it could be one of several reasons, or even multiple reasons.

1. I was practicing the snooker style of play. :p

2. I was playing in the 4th dimension instead of just 3 dimensions.

3. I was practicing my speed control on shooting to a pocket with a blocker in the way. Much as Ronnie was in the clip of him doing the same. Speaking of that, please note my use of CTE on the shot. Notice that my shot went right to the heart of the pocket line, whereas Ronnie's shot was off to the side a little. Although, that could also be the result of me using center axis, whereas Ronnie used a little english on the shot and improperly adjusted for the squirt. Which again explains why he hit the point of the pocket and not the heart of the pocket. ;)

4. While this is an advanced training technique, and I realize that most viewing it will not be at that level and will only see it as a simple miscue, I still felt it was worth including in the video. :)

:thumbup:

Took it like a champ! Glad you 've seen the funny nature of my post!:smile:

At least you did manage to hit the cue ball, unlike this dude..

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#2 is a sure thing.

Nice execution, that's a good shot on a big table.

Well, due to the results, it could be one of several reasons, or even multiple reasons.

1. I was practicing the snooker style of play. :p

2. I was playing in the 4th dimension instead of just 3 dimensions.

3. I was practicing my speed control on shooting to a pocket with a blocker in the way. Much as Ronnie was in the clip of him doing the same. Speaking of that, please note my use of CTE on the shot. Notice that my shot went right to the heart of the pocket line, whereas Ronnie's shot was off to the side a little. Although, that could also be the result of me using center axis, whereas Ronnie used a little english on the shot and improperly adjusted for the squirt. Which again explains why he hit the point of the pocket and not the heart of the pocket. ;)

4. While this is an advanced training technique, and I realize that most viewing it will not be at that level and will only see it as a simple miscue, I still felt it was worth including in the video. :)
 
:thumbup:

Took it like a champ! Glad you 've seen the funny nature of my post!:smile:

At least you did manage to hit the cue ball, unlike this dude..

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I hope the bar owner doesn't save his security recordings. I probably do this once a week.


Freddie <~~~ blaming it on the house chalk...
 
Spin to Win

I have watched a a series of videos lately that promotes using center ball (without right or left) for positioning at first then adding right and left afterwards to be used only rarely in 8 and 9 ball. It indicates most players tend to use spin on most every shot and that is why they plateau. It is their lack of understanding of natural ball positioning that eventually stops them from improving. At least that is how I interpreted it. I would like to know what the others on here for the most part think of that and if they play spin on most of their shots or not.

I say spin like you have not spun before.
 
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