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This thread contains Dr Dave's input on both the rules and this specific call, which he says is not a foul under the rules.

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Thread 'When are MISCUE and SCOOP Shots Fouls?'

FYI, I just posted a new video that fully explores miscue and scoop shots in detail and makes it totally clear when they are legal or not. Several recent calls from recent pro tournament matches are also examined in detail, including the recent controversial scoop shot by Patric Gomez against Jayson Shaw in the recent Philippines Open. Check it out:


Supporting Resources:
- rules resources: https://drdavepoolinfo.com/faq/rules/
- WPA “official rules of pool:” https://wpapool.com/rules/
- foul resources...
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this is a misunderstanding of what's technically a foul vs pool tradition and customs. refereeing autism..

when pro pool players start playing deliberate scoop shots i will change my mind
 
iusedtoberich said:
(A.) Did you guys miss the last 5 years of pro pool officials? They’ve been (A1). calling miscues fouls. Shaw spoke up because they were doing that all season. It wasn’t him being an ass.
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A. Appears that way.
A1. Did you think it was a foul?
Did the officials that none of us saw in the last five years.... teach you this?

So they changed a draw shot miscue to a BIH foul.
Being a Nat. referee.... iusedtoberich.

Show us/me in print where the rules/rule book says draw shot hop miscues are Fouls?

I guess anyone than can change an American orange 5 ball, can change a misCue :).
bm
 
Island Drive said:
A. Appears that way.
A1. Did you think it was a foul?
Did the officials that none of us saw in the last five years.... teach you this?

So they changed a draw shot miscue to a BIH foul.
Being a Nat. referee.... iusedtoberich.

Show us/me in print where the rules/rule book says draw shot hop miscues are Fouls?

I guess anyone than can change an American orange 5 ball, can change a misCue :).
bm
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See the dr dave thread SJM quoted.

No, I disagree with it being called a foul. It should not be a foul, imo. The EU refs started doing it out of the blue about 5 years ago. About the same time they started calling a foul if a player put their hand in the pocket to remove a ball when the game was over. They travel worldwide to major events so it became "standard" the past few years.

I'm actually quite surprised this is the first you're hearing about this.

The latest rule set, released in 2025, aimed to explicitly NOT make it a foul I believe.
 
skogstokig said:
this is a misunderstanding of what's technically a foul vs pool tradition and customs. refereeing autism..

when pro pool players start playing deliberate scoop shots i will change my mind
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Only seen one pro player do it live and no one saw it, can't remember the match.
Old recording, likely from the 80's, I've tried to find it, but time made me not try again, might of been a network production?
Efren shooting 9', table was full of balls (8 ball game??) cue ball r/s behind? or near the head string, even the announcers didn't catch it, very slight scoop jump over the outside feather edge of the blocking ball.
A table length roller/scooper/jump shot, medium speed, he made it. :)
 
iusedtoberich said:
See the dr dave thread SJM quoted.

No, I disagree with it being called a foul. It should not be a foul, imo. The EU refs started doing it A. out of the blue about 5 years ago. About the same time they started calling a foul if a player put their hand in the pocket to remove a ball when the game was over. They travel worldwide to major events so it became "standard" the past few years.

B. I'm actually quite surprised this is the first you're hearing about this.

The latest rule set, released in 2025, aimed to explicitly NOT make it a foul I believe.
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Out of the blue huh :). The Blue Rule?
Cool your Surprised 🤔
your quote:

''The latest rule set, released in 2025, aimed to explicitly NOT make it a foul I believe''

Who printed the rule set?????????????????????

Show me the ''latest rule set'' your talking about.



AND
at the end of your above sentence you said.

I believe...
99% or 100%???????????????






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Then to please the others, show Them the rule in print.
I know you Won't.
I know you can't. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Because I believe. :)
 
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