U.S. Open Checks Bounced???
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kwakaa...I'll go you one better! Let's make the entry $10,000; call every shot; make it race to one; and winner take all! LOL Where do you think the players will get the $$$ for the $1500 entry (let alone $10K), plus their upfront expenses...from their million-dollar salaries and endorsement deals? LMAO
Scott Lee
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Scott Lee
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Now you are just winding us up.
This video here, shows a very concerned Barry B. describing why Shane is only getting 25 g's for his win at the 2012 US Open.
Considering this video is him after the event has finished, I think it's safe to say that he knows at this point he is not paying the top 6 or whatever it was. So the check he's presenting Shane with, and posing with with a big smile and all... is actually worth just as much as small check he might have given Shane later.
He talks about how he's paying out the bottom of the field, because it's important to reward those people for showing up, and one would tend to think that because he talks about how it used to be 50k for first and now it's only 25k, that he had a handle on how to run a tournament now, and would be actually paying the winners this time.
After hearing this video, you might think of a saying your Mom might have told you when you were younger.
"That's what you get for thinking"
Video of Barry B presenting Shane's check and talking about the money situation. This is before everyone here found out there was money problems... again
http://youtu.be/sQg1LIzOafw
Considering this video is him after the event has finished, I think it's safe to say that he knows at this point he is not paying the top 6 or whatever it was. So the check he's presenting Shane with, and posing with with a big smile and all... is actually worth just as much as small check he might have given Shane later.
He talks about how he's paying out the bottom of the field, because it's important to reward those people for showing up, and one would tend to think that because he talks about how it used to be 50k for first and now it's only 25k, that he had a handle on how to run a tournament now, and would be actually paying the winners this time.
After hearing this video, you might think of a saying your Mom might have told you when you were younger.
"That's what you get for thinking"
Video of Barry B presenting Shane's check and talking about the money situation. This is before everyone here found out there was money problems... again
http://youtu.be/sQg1LIzOafw
wow....
His lst words in that clip were, "Hey, when you're a US open Champ, it's worth a hell of a lot more than $25,000".
Damn, it better be, since he isn't getting even the $25,000....
Jaden
This video here, shows a very concerned Barry B. describing why Shane is only getting 25 g's for his win at the 2012 US Open.
Considering this video is him after the event has finished, I think it's safe to say that he knows at this point he is not paying the top 6 or whatever it was. So the check he's presenting Shane with, and posing with with a big smile and all... is actually worth just as much as small check he might have given Shane later.
He talks about how he's paying out the bottom of the field, because it's important to reward those people for showing up, and one would tend to think that because he talks about how it used to be 50k for first and now it's only 25k, that he had a handle on how to run a tournament now, and would be actually paying the winners this time.
After hearing this video, you might think of a saying your Mom might have told you when you were younger.
"That's what you get for thinking"
Video of Barry B presenting Shane's check and talking about the money situation. This is before everyone here found out there was money problems... again
http://youtu.be/sQg1LIzOafw
His lst words in that clip were, "Hey, when you're a US open Champ, it's worth a hell of a lot more than $25,000".
Damn, it better be, since he isn't getting even the $25,000....
Jaden
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Mr lee I've noticed you take many opportunities to mention how broke the pro's are.
I think if Ralph ,CW,Mika,Archer,Schmidt,Svb,Efren,I could go on and on with more players that are far from broke ,took all their assets and put them in one room it would be a fair amount.
Many pro golfers are broke too but not the top guys.
I think to make broad statements about how broke the pro's are is a little unfair .jmho
Im sure you make good money teaching but I don't see pro's belittling what you earn even though i would venture to guess the top touring players earn more then you ,
I guess I'm biased as I'm friends with a few of the pro's.
No hard feelings iI hope. I just thought bringing up what the mid and lower tier pro's earn is a little insulting and unproductive. It's like that in every sport. The top players earn more,and the lesser pro's earn less. I'm sure it's the same with teaching pool. Again jmho
Mr lee I've noticed you take many opportunities to mention how broke the pro's are.
I think if Ralph ,CW,Mika,Archer,Schmidt,Svb,Efren,I could go on and on with more players that are far from broke ,took all their assets and put them in one room it would be a fair amount.
Many pro golfers are broke too but not the top guys.
I think to make broad statements about how broke the pro's are is a little unfair .jmho
Im sure you make good money teaching but I don't see pro's belittling what you earn even though i would venture to guess the top touring players earn more then you ,
I guess I'm biased as I'm friends with a few of the pro's.
No hard feelings iI hope. I just thought bringing up what the mid and lower tier pro's earn is a little insulting and unproductive. It's like that in every sport. The top players earn more,and the lesser pro's earn less. I'm sure it's the same with teaching pool. Again jmho
Well, it's kinda like that in pool. In pool, the top players earn some, and the second tier pros and under earn a pittance.
Hence the joke: what is the difference between a pool player and a large pizza??? A large pizza can feed a family of four...
Oh yeah, one more:
What do you call a pool player that has no wife or girlfriend? Homeless.
What do you call a pool player that has no wife or girlfriend? Homeless.
My favorite: How do you get a pro pool player off your porch? Pay him for the pizza.
lol
lol that's a good one. Fair enough you make a good point the second tier guys can hardly survive. that's ashame.
lol that's a good one. Fair enough you make a good point the second tier guys can hardly survive. that's ashame.
There are a lot of good ideas in this post. Align players' and promoters interests in growing the audience, while building-in solvency. The % of tickets sold idea is a very good one, because it makes a player's interest in drumming up attendees direct, whereas an overall % of profits is pretty diffuse. The % of profits is also important because that is what builds in solvency.
I'm curious what other promoters like Griffin and Cantrell think about this?
Cory
I'm curious what other promoters like Griffin and Cantrell think about this?
Cory
kwakaa...Mark Griffin seems to be able to efficiently run tournaments with THOUSANDS of players. You don't think Barry can manage 250? Please...none of this has anything to do with how many players sign up and pay their entries. Downsizing the tournament is not the answer. Promoting a prize fund that is 100% funded before the tournament starts is the answer. Lots of ways to make that happen, including just eliminating 'added $$$', and paying out the entry funds. People would still come and play, even with a smaller prize fund, just because it's the U.S. Open 9-Ball tournament. Keeping it available just for pros would completely change the 'function' of the event. It is, after all, called the U.S. Open 9-Ball...not the US Invitational 9-Ball!
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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Cory, I am guessing you mean "Cantrill" I am flattered that you would put me in the same catagory as Griffin but thats not where I belong. I am the smallest fish in the entire pool pond.
Having said that so now you know my limited qualifications. I would love to hold a Legends Tournament. I have looked at it several times and think it would be a hit. Any events I have done in the past have always had the money to pay the players and production in advance from sponsorship etc. Obviously the nut on an event of this scale (meaning my Legends Tournament) and would be 1/3 of the size of the Open.Is BIG! I just will not start any event without knowing that the money is all there. I get my end from PPV, Gate, Raffles and Merchandise BUT the players fund is in place and production. So with my limited experience I can't fathome how Barry gets his money out of the tournament or how he begins the tournament without having the money. I can't afford to late pay players as I am not a big player and any little fault turns into a big problem for me. This is what takes me out of the game of a big tournament as I do not want to be sitting where barry is sitting right now.
Barry is the only one with his name on that seat. It used to be held by someone with the initials KT, but that guy doesn't exist anymore..
azbfan...OMG, are you serious? It's common knowledge that the majority of "professional" poolplayers struggle to earn any kind of living actually playing pool. I have NEVER said all pros are broke (but it's true that none of them are rich...and neither am I). Just curious, but with the players you mentioned (and there are certainly another few you missed), how much is a "fair amount"? As far as PGA Tour pros (I'm not talking about the Nike Tour players, or the lesser events)...the lowest guy on the PGA Tour is a millionaire. Not so with pool...please name a millionaire pro poolplayer (with the possible exception of Efren).
Just FYI, I take no pride in acknowledging that the pro players by-in-large, as a group, struggle to earn a decent living (and I have never put them down for it...I have suggested on many occasions that they could make a lot of money entertaining people, like I do). The deck is stacked against them in so many ways...but the truth is that some of them do nothing to change the image they present to the public, and corporate America won't touch pool with a 10-foot pole. If you really are friends with some of the pros, then you should know that I'm not lying.
Making money...hmmmm...I would venture to guess that I do as well, or better than all but the top 20...and when you figure the 'net net' (after taxes and expenses), I could likely up that to the top 5 or 10 (again, not bragging, just telling the sad truth). It's also true that dozens of posters here have admitted that, even if they had the skill, they would never trade their $100K+ jobs and security, to go that route. Have you even seen the AzB money list? Check it out, you might be surprised at what you see. Please show me any post where I even mentioned what you said, "bringing up what the mid and lower tier pro's earn is a little insulting and unproductive". I think you have me confused with somebody else.
The fact that there are a whole group of pro players who think that they're "entitled" to something just because they play good is what's insulting. You want to EARN a living...go out and GET A JOB! Lot's of pros understand that, and have done so. I don't know why you're picking on me about this. There are dozens of posters who have said exactly the same thing. BTW, I'm friends with a LOT of pro players (many of them in that top 20 group), and I've gone out of my way to even help a few of them (which has been detailed right here on this forum). Get your story straight before you start pointing fingers. No hard feelings...I hope!
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Just FYI, I take no pride in acknowledging that the pro players by-in-large, as a group, struggle to earn a decent living (and I have never put them down for it...I have suggested on many occasions that they could make a lot of money entertaining people, like I do). The deck is stacked against them in so many ways...but the truth is that some of them do nothing to change the image they present to the public, and corporate America won't touch pool with a 10-foot pole. If you really are friends with some of the pros, then you should know that I'm not lying.
Making money...hmmmm...I would venture to guess that I do as well, or better than all but the top 20...and when you figure the 'net net' (after taxes and expenses), I could likely up that to the top 5 or 10 (again, not bragging, just telling the sad truth). It's also true that dozens of posters here have admitted that, even if they had the skill, they would never trade their $100K+ jobs and security, to go that route. Have you even seen the AzB money list? Check it out, you might be surprised at what you see. Please show me any post where I even mentioned what you said, "bringing up what the mid and lower tier pro's earn is a little insulting and unproductive". I think you have me confused with somebody else.
The fact that there are a whole group of pro players who think that they're "entitled" to something just because they play good is what's insulting. You want to EARN a living...go out and GET A JOB! Lot's of pros understand that, and have done so. I don't know why you're picking on me about this. There are dozens of posters who have said exactly the same thing. BTW, I'm friends with a LOT of pro players (many of them in that top 20 group), and I've gone out of my way to even help a few of them (which has been detailed right here on this forum). Get your story straight before you start pointing fingers. No hard feelings...I hope!
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
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Mark...You may be the "smallest fish in the pond", but at least you are DOING something to help some the pros earn a few extra bucks (and you know it's only a 'few' after everything is paid). That, in itself, is something to be admired, and supported by the public...which it has been. Traveling on the road is a tough gig...and doing it while trying to manage several disparate personalities at once is pretty amazing. You're kind of like the Ringmaster in the circus, keeping the lions and tigers from eating one another, while still "putting them through their paces"!...and then trying to make a buck yourself at the same time (which ain't easy). LOL I give you a lot of props for your efforts, and I hope you can achieve a "Legends" event that will include Buddy, McCready, Earl, and all the rest! Best of luck!
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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kwakaa...CW has cooked his own goose. Nobody here has anything to do with his problems. The jury is still out on BB...we'll just have to wait and see. BTW, according to the Mayans, there won't BE anything after 12/21/12...so what exactly is it you're saying? LOL Peace & Love, man!
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
Barry gets beat up for being short on money. That he has or had substance abuse issues really isn't that "high" on my list of priorities.
Charlie, there is a very well known reason people throw rocks at you. Hiding behind a random screen name and promoting yourself is kind of sad though.
The ABP doesn't run pool, it's just a bunch of players with a list of demands. If you ever succeed I will start watching golf.
You ruined that chant last year. I'm quite sure Matchroom noticed it and I know a lot of pool fans definitely did. Your entire country was shamed by your presence. Why does this not make a dent in your mind?
I would sooner cheer for Howard; at least he is repentant.
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