U.S. Open Checks Bounced???

Mark Griffin said:
Hi Lewis,

I dont own the name 'US Open 9 ball'.
I do have the us open 10-ball, one pocket, straight pool, banks, and 8- ball.
Three of these will be used with the BCAPL nationals in July in Vegas in 2013.

There is a LOT of history to the 9-ball. (btw, our nationals are only one year younger than the us open 9-ball). 2013 is the 37th annual!

I would love to have the opportunity to make it grow, but in its present form, it is probably doomed.

Markg
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understood, I guess I misunderstood what I was told.
I am afraid it is doomed too. it seems Barry is betting on the come and no, the players are too.
i think if Barry is going to survive this, at some point he is giong to have to say,'It's time to stop the madness"! I think even the players would support that!
 
JAM said:
Is your brother Mika, Buddy, Dave Howard, Nick Varner, or Allen Hopkins?
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Nope.. He won the US Open One Pocket, once, and the US Open 9-Ball, once, and there's only 3 people who have done that.. So, take a wild gander at it (I'm not filipino)..
 
Teddydog said:
Nope.. He won the US Open One Pocket, once, and the US Open 9-Ball, once, and there's only 3 people who have done that.. So, take a wild gander at it (I'm not filipino)..
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Pretty cool, getting JAM to have to think. Not many can pull that off :p
 
Mark should create:

The North American 9-Ball Open Championship (that's like going from an 8-Minute Abs video to a 6-Minute Abs video- going up a level).

Or pull a British Open move and just call his tournament:

"The Open 9-Ball Championships"

Get some HUGE silver jug and start etching the names of the winners on it over the years instead of green jackets.

None of the above interferes with the US OPEN 9-BALL CHAMPIONSHIPS in regards to trademark infringement.

The best way to compete with Reece's Pieces is to unveil your brand of M&Ms. No different than what Samsung did with Apple, and now Apple is forced to apologize to Samsung. Imagine that.

Mark should just create (not buy) the final piece of his Boardwalk/Park Place monopoly of top American pool tournaments.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
Mark should create:

The North American 9-Ball Open Championship (that's like going from an 8-Minute Abs video to a 6-Minute Abs video- going up a level).

Or pull a British Open move and just call his tournament:

"The Open 9-Ball Championships"

Get some HUGE silver jug and start etching the names of the winners on it over the years instead of green jackets.

None of the above interferes with the US OPEN 9-BALL CHAMPIONSHIPS in regards to trademark infringement.

The best way to compete with Reece's Pieces is to unveil your brand of M&Ms. No different than what Samsung did with Apple, and now Apple is forced to apologize to Samsung. Imagine that.

Mark should just create (not buy) the final piece of his Boardwalk/Park Place monopoly of top American pool tournaments.
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It would be great. The only thing that is nice about the current Open is that it's on the East Coast. It's difficult for those of us on the East Coast to go to Vegas on a frequent basis. :frown:
 
Teddydog said:
Nope.. He won the US Open One Pocket, once, and the US Open 9-Ball, once, and there's only 3 people who have done that.. So, take a wild gander at it (I'm not filipino)..
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Efren, Gabe Owen, and Jeremy Jones have done it.
 
JAM said:
It would be great. The only thing that is nice about the current Open is that it's on the East Coast. It's difficult for those of us on the East Coast to go to Vegas on a frequent basis. :frown:
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It wouldn't have to be--- Mark could run that with the other events.

Here's what the plaque would look like:

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Would you rather drive to an event, spend money on food and board and not get paid or fly to an event, spend money on food and board and leave with cash in hand?
 
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The problem seems to be a value of future money deal. I think Barry is ego connected to this thing and is just hell-bent on trying to have a US Open with a big payout. Without the ability to secure sponsors (really not his fault)
he's really a little stuck with his current model. I really don't see a fix other than lowering the payouts so he can pay with immediate cash. So, considering (I think) that he is an honorable man and has always managed to pay the contestants before the next Open, to me the question becomes would a player rather be paid $4000 today or $6000 over the course of a year?

Thanks

Kevin
 
ironman said:
understood, I guess I misunderstood what I was told.
I am afraid it is doomed too. it seems Barry is betting on the come and no, the players are too.
i think if Barry is going to survive this, at some point he is giong to have to say,'It's time to stop the madness"! I think even the players would support that!
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No one should support him based on anything he says. Whatever is convenient at the time, he will say. He is far from a bright guy-very far.

I know he means well-100%- but he is desperate and i fear near broke which is tough to do with that QMasters money machine but not impossible. He already ran through 2 other pool rooms. If he doesnt get these guys paid quick and run a flawless Open next year-he is done imo. That doesnt seem real likely either.
 
JAM said:
It's because I'm sick and tired of seeing American players beat down by pool purists who praise non-American players, stating Americans suck. The American pool culture as a whole has no respect for American players. Pool is cruel to its own.
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I'm thinking this is specific to one player that fans have turned against because he, for whatever medical reasons, cannot maintain his composure. But fans opinions have nothing to do with his ZIP code or place of birth. He is rude, insulting, and threatening to people.

JAM said:
When I read "U.S. Open," I just have vision of United States competitors, not those from overseas. It's just my opinion, one which I know I'm in the minority.
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Anyone can enter the US Open, regardless of their country of origin. The US Open 9-Ball could possibly ... maybe ... be riding on the coattails of that golf tournament ... perhaps.

And in that spirit I will quote one of the rules of play:

USGA said:
The USGA may reject an entry application, revoke an accepted application, expel from the Championship and/or suspend a player from future championships if the player engages in conduct detrimental to the integrity and image of the game of golf and/or public confidence in the USGA. Such conduct may include, but is not limited to, damage to the golf course or the player’s equipment, verbal or physical
abuse of spectators, officials, volunteers, or staff, blatant or excessive profanity, disorderly behavior, failure to abide by club rules, or any other unbecoming conduct.
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Muttering to one's self after missing a 4' putt is fairly common and can be expected. Screaming "F*** you, you f****** f***, you f*****' sharked me you f***!" is the more common image of a pool player. But strangely, only certain ones actually act this way. Perhaps, just perhaps, the place where this is the more common behavior is the place where pool has been in the largest decline? Nah ... that's crazy!

The worst part is, I doubt you see what I'm saying. It isn't even the behavior ... it's the perception: you scare people away with this. Maybe you attract some scary, nefarious types, but ...

Nevermind. Wrong thread. Closed ears. Point. Less.

You're absolutely right. The winners payouts should have been decided by a cage match. Brass knuckles and knives only. Except for Bubba; he gets the gun. Americans only. He who lives, cashes.
 
Ghosst said:
I'm thinking this is specific to one player that fans have turned against because he, for whatever medical reasons, cannot maintain his composure. But fans opinions have nothing to do with his ZIP code or place of birth. He is rude, insulting, and threatening to people.



Anyone can enter the US Open, regardless of their country of origin. The US Open 9-Ball could possibly ... maybe ... be riding on the coattails of that golf tournament ... perhaps.

And in that spirit I will quote one of the rules of play:



Muttering to one's self after missing a 4' putt is fairly common and can be expected. Screaming "F*** you, you f****** f***, you f*****' sharked me you f***!" is the more common image of a pool player. But strangely, only certain ones actually act this way. Perhaps, just perhaps, the place where this is the more common behavior is the place where pool has been in the largest decline? Nah ... that's crazy!

The worst part is, I doubt you see what I'm saying. It isn't even the behavior ... it's the perception: you scare people away with this. Maybe you attract some scary, nefarious types, but ...

Nevermind. Wrong thread. Closed ears. Point. Less.

You're absolutely right. The winners payouts should have been decided by a cage match. Brass knuckles and knives only. Except for Bubba; he gets the gun. Americans only. He who lives, cashes.
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Uh, I think you're getting a little carried away with this thread -- and me! :rolleyes:

I don't have time to have a war of words with you today, I'm afraid. I'll try to catch you next time. My people will get together with your people, and we'll do Chinese. :grin-square:
 
JAM said:
You just captured what's wrong with American pool today. There is, indeed, a conflict.

Many prefer the humble demeanor of a young pro like Shane, who I have the greatest respect for.

There's another school of thought that prefers to see the woofing, the barkfest, the action festivities, which -- I hate to say it -- includes "talking shit, making excuses, walking around drunk, and cursing."
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Do people overseas talk shit and make excuses? I really doubt they do, and maybe that's one of the reasons it's so popular outside of America.

When you have guys like Earl that constantly complain or say idiotic things, it's what turns away sponsors. Why would any brand choose to attach their name to someone like that?
 
I have been holding back on commenting, but has it ever occurred to any of you that in 36 years of running the US Open, the promoter may have burned too many bridges with potential industry sponsors both new and old.?

Brunswick left if memory serves me correctly! Others may be distancing themselves due to his previous legal problems.

Barry needs to distance himself and turn it over to his daughter. The open needs a clean slate and shed some baggage weighing down the event. Under new management industry sponsors may return.

But, that is assuming that sponsors are the problem and not something else??? A very large assumption i must say!!!

Kd

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Its not image that hurts pool, its interest. McEnroe didn't kill tennis. Hellmuth didn't kill poker. Earl didn't kill pool. People who don't play pool have no interest in tuning pool on TV, thus sponsors have zero interest in investing.
Heck, you can go into a POOL ROOM where people are supposedly interested in pool, slam a TAR match up on the screen and less than 1/2 the people there will pay any attention. Its a niche sport and is no doubt never going mainstream.

Barry hasn't killed the US Open. He's not at fault for anything. He has maintained the single highest paying, longest running tourney in the US. What event even comes close in prize money or prestige?

Kevin
 
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BeiberLvr said:
Do people overseas talk shit and make excuses? I really doubt they do, and maybe that's one of the reasons it's so popular outside of America.

When you have guys like Earl that constantly complain or say idiotic things, it's what turns away sponsors. Why would any brand choose to attach their name to someone like that?
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Go chase Justin Bieber and leave the pool to the pool peeps. Sheesh! What a forum name!
 
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