US Open 9-Ball, 2023, Atlantic City, Sep 25-30

I do find it a little funny... The comments about music, not showing fans, pace of play, etc.... Maybe it's because I'm here watching, and have experienced the difficulty of the equipment, but the last things running through my mind while watching the action live, is any of the stuff people in here are whining about.

At least the drowning about the 4" pockets has quieted now that the dead money is gone from the streaming tables.
 
Agree something has to be done about the pace. Chess clock is a good idea. Something. 2.5 hour races to 10, running hours behind….

They played 2 full matches including setup and warm up on Table 1 while SVB watched Jung-Lin walk around the table, stare off into space, pick up little bits of lint from cloth, get down, stand up, walk around some more. It was agonizing, as was Tyler vs Pehlivanovic. I had to walk away from both, despite excellent pool being played.
 
The "King of the Air Stroke" and the slowest player on Earth not named Justin Bergman are out! FSR and Sanjin. Glad I don't have to see Sanjin walk around the table relentlessly anymore this week.

The dude from Portugal may be my new hero, but....C'mon Sky!!!
 
Cephalad said:
Agree something has to be done about the pace. Chess clock is a good idea. Something. 2.5 hour races to 10, running hours behind….
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It was waaaaay worse in the early rounds. Not only were the dead money missing a ton (me included) but everyone was trying to sort out the tables and safe play was predominate throughout.
Cephalad said:
They played 2 full matches including setup and warm up on Table 1 while SVB watched Jung-Lin walk around the table, stare off into space, pick up little bits of lint from cloth, get down, stand up, walk around some more. It was agonizing, as was Tyler vs Pehlivanovic. I had to walk away from both, despite excellent pool being played.
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I think the problem is the amount of matches still going on at the same moment in time. Sure it would be great for those watching from home to have a shot clock speed up the action, but there's way more going on off camera. Having a shot clock keeper at every table is a bit much. Sure the ref could do double duty but you still don't have enough of them.

You can't subject the stream tables to a shot clock and not everyone else as well. One more round and the clock will be in play.

Wonder what the next complaint will be ...?....🤔
 
The shot clock can probably be solved with technology. A sensor over the table that would detect stopped motion. etc.

I do think for the two TV tables, in all the rounds, should have a shot clock.
 
The_JV said:
I think the problem is the amount of matches still going on at the same moment in time. Sure it would be great for those watching from home to have a shot clock speed up the action, but there's way more going on off camera. Having a shot clock keeper at every table is a bit much. Sure the ref could do double duty but you still don't have enough of them.
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I’m live at the event and I couldn’t keep my focus on either of those slow matches. Clearly there aren’t resources for a timekeeper at every table, hence the player-activated chess clock suggestion by someone earlier. Although that has implementation problems too. Like baseball, I’m not sure there are simple solutions.

The_JV said:
Wonder what the next complaint will be ...?....🤔
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I’m very glad pool is gaining an audience and we have these great events to watch and attend. I plan to attend more in the future. Not complaining, I think constructive feedback from players and spectators can only help continue to grow the audience and drive more improvements.
 
Cephalad said:
I’m live at the event and I couldn’t keep my focus on either of those slow matches. Clearly there aren’t resources for a timekeeper at every table, hence the player-activated chess clock suggestion by someone earlier. Although that has implementation problems too. Like baseball, I’m not sure there are simple solutions.
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Nice... did you play...?

That's not to quantify your opinion on the slow play. Just wondering if you experienced what the players are sweating over.
 
Rooting for sky or fedor to win it all. If those to are out max lechner would by my next hope to win it all.

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The_JV said:
It was waaaaay worse in the early rounds. Not only were the dead money missing a ton (me included) but everyone was trying to sort out the tables and safe play was predominate throughout.

I think the problem is the amount of matches still going on at the same moment in time. Sure it would be great for those watching from home to have a shot clock speed up the action, but there's way more going on off camera. Having a shot clock keeper at every table is a bit much. Sure the ref could do double duty but you still don't have enough of them.

You can't subject the stream tables to a shot clock and not everyone else as well. One more round and the clock will be in play.

Wonder what the next complaint will be ...?....🤔
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You're on a pool forum complaining about the complaining, so we're even.

The production is great but there's still room for improvement. I'm surprised how few stats they use/show during their broadcasts. They also don't use some of the commentary tools that they use during their snooker broadcasts.

Yes -- many of these earlier matches would be unwatchable for me if I couldn't skip past a lot of the between shot stalling. I don't even think MR necessarily has to have a shot clock on every table. Heck, I like more contemplating when it's a difficult, thriller match, but they could just address it with the players by letting them know they are keeping track of all the players match times and the super slow players will face consequences down the road.
 
The_JV said:
Nice... did you play...?

That's not to quantify your opinion on the slow play. Just wondering if you experienced what the players are sweating over.
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I’m well aware that the livelihood of many of these players depends on the outcome of maybe one or two shots. I’m also well aware that many of them flew over-the-pole, for many hours, at great personal expense, to play. I wish they were better supported and better compensated.

The only way that is going to happen is to increase viewership, which results in more revenue that can be passed on to the players. And to do that, it needs to be a consumable product. It’s win-win.
 
trob said:
You play in the us open golf tournament you don’t play on easy courses like your home course. you want to play with the big boys your going to have to play on the big boy tables.
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True, but if the shooter is unable to shoot a ball down the rail and go at least 5 rails for shape, it changes the game. But if your right then 4 an go.
 
SBC said:
Maybe Matchroom just has the seated opponent run the clock for their opponent as they were the ref when the ref isn't there?
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Chess clock "type" set up, this is EXACTLY how it works. You hit the clock when you get back to your seat, and it starts your opponent's clock. If you forget, your time continues to run. You get a set amount of time for ALL your shots in the match, plus say, 20 seconds per shot. You forget to hit your clock? Wellllll, your opponent might notice and slowplay a little on that turn. This would be perfect for commentated matches, when the commentators notice, and note it for the viewers.

This is the way it works in top chess tournaments, and there are zero issues with this. Would add a different type of pressure, especially for forgetful opponents, and lead to rock solid, on time finishes to matches. Players who slowplay early on on THEIR clock, will likely be forced into mistakes later in the match, leading to a dramatic ending. Sounds perfect to me.

So, Mr. Smart Arse.... Keep on keeping on with the sarcastic remarks. I'm lovin' it! Matchroom is so deep in your head, they need to be paying you rent! Lol.
 
Cephalad said:
I’m live at the event and I couldn’t keep my focus on either of those slow matches. Clearly there aren’t resources for a timekeeper at every table, hence the player-activated chess clock suggestion by someone earlier. Although that has implementation problems too. Like baseball, I’m not sure there are simple solutions.



I’m very glad pool is gaining an audience and we have these great events to watch and attend. I plan to attend more in the future. Not complaining, I think constructive feedback from players and spectators can only help continue to grow the audience and drive more improvements.
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I don't see how. Player's responsibility after their shot is to activate their opponent's clock by clicking the button on their side. Someone's time is ALWAYS running. Set the per-player time to account for racking and cleaning the ball a few times, and you know EXACTLY the longest time a match can run. If Corey Deuel wants to ask for the CB to be cleaned 10x during the match, he is perfectly welcome to, as that runs down his clock while he is not shooting.

See my other post right above. If the opponent forgets to hit their clock and it continues to run, this leads to time crunch late in the match for that player. Sounds like it could be an absolute game changer for streamed/televised matches. What pool needs is faster matches, less safety play, and more pressure. A chess clock would solve all these issues. Don't put the remaining time directly in a player's view while they are playing, but hook it up to the stream/television feed, so commentators can play up the time angle. I see absolutely no downsides.
 
Cephalad said:
I’m well aware that the livelihood of many of these players depends on the outcome of maybe one or two shots. I’m also well aware that many of them flew over-the-pole, for many hours, at great personal expense, to play. I wish they were better supported and better compensated.

The only way that is going to happen is to increase viewership, which results in more revenue that can be passed on to the players. And to do that, it needs to be a consumable product. It’s win-win.
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Sry, you didn't answer the question on whether you played or not. Again, that wasn't a means to discount your thoughts. I just wanted to know if you had the deal with the uncertainty some of these players are facing when deciding how to continue a rack.

Assuming you haven't taken a shot on any of the tables. I can tell you every player in the field has had more than one head scratching moment after jawing a ball that they were certain they hit well.

Some players are flat out slow when they'r allowed to be. I'm not discounting that. However, I'll guarantee you that some of what you're seeing is down right fear.
 
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