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it is hard for me to think that the economy is so bad......the best makers and the cues on this site just blow me away...but i cant believe that some of these cues are still for sale...when you have makers such as gina,shicks,blacks, and other high end cues that are cheaper to buy then what you can get them for new...i realize that used cues sell for less most of the time...but when will the market rebound? i guess my question is this if a cue cost 2500 from one of these makers what percent of a drop do you have to take off because the cue is used....i guess the cue market is like the housing market... buy but dont sell unless you want to a big loss..i was thinking about putting a cue up for sale however i really dont need the cash so maybe it would be better for me to put it up for trade...i am just looking to trying something diffrent...was wandering what most people are doing on here...it sure doesnt look like people are buying and there are a lot of cues that have set on here for weeks sometimes even months...i am a fairly new collector about 4 years and just find it hard to swallow..when a cue that would of sold for 2500 3 years ago within a day or two but now it sits for 2000 for months...i am not speaking of any cue directly but just watching the market..when an if will it ever rebound is on alot of our minds...i hope soon as i am sure that a bunch of you do...kinda ranting here....mickey carroll
 
It's truly a buyers market ( to use a tired cliche) I'm amazed every day at the kind of deals that are available if you're willing to lay down the cash. Trades are ok, but again, whatever YOU are using as trade material will probably be WAAAAAAY under valued. I made a deal not too long ago, and I KNEW I was losing money on the trade. But the cue I was trading into (with some cash) happened to be undervalued by about 35 % off new/mint prices so we both lost some money. However I'm banking on it eventually turning around, and even if cue values take a while to get back to where they were just 12-14 months ago, I should come out farther ahead because of what I traded for. If you know what to buy and have a feeling for what values were, are now, and might be again... there are some fantastic deals to be found. If I could talk my wife into letting me spend 20k or so, I have no doubt I could double my money in another 3-5 years. (if not I'd still have some nice wood :D) I've just had to stay out of the wanted/for sale section, just way to much temptation.
 
dead market

For fun (and a small profit ) I was buying and selling middle and lower end cues (primarily Meuccis), If I had the time to tie up the money I would be buying like crazy right now The ugotactionTX said it all. It's the economy. About 30 to 40 percent off.
 
Most cue collectors by number are pool players. Most pool players do not have above average income. Collectors in the $7,000 price range probably are not as affected. If you have to WORK for your money you are being a lot more careful these days. I have sold cues and guns lately. Bought none. Have no interest in spending money that is not required.
 
cueandcushion said:
Most cue collectors by number are pool players. Most pool players do not have above average income. Collectors in the $7,000 price range probably are not as affected. If you have to WORK for your money you are being a lot more careful these days. I have sold cues and guns lately. Bought none. Have no interest in spending money that is not required.
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Actually the upper income folks have been hit the hardest in this recession.

When someone has to start thinking of things they can do without ... a $7K cue is right up there with a second Bentley.

LWW
 
LWW said:
Actually the upper income folks have been hit the hardest in this recession.

When someone has to start thinking of things they can do without ... a $7K cue is right up there with a second Bentley.

LWW
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Those poor rich bast@rds!
 
poolplayer2093 said:
the market will turn around when people start finding work easier
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There are MANY jobs here in Afghanistan where I work for 6 figures......it depends on the person and what they are willing to do. Sit and complain about not being able to pay their bills or do something about it.
 
runout1961 said:
There are MANY jobs here in Afghanistan where I work for 6 figures......it depends on the person and what they are willing to do. Sit and complain about not being able to pay their bills or do something about it.
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I'm not complaining. someone asked and i gave my opinion. calm down captain self righteous
 
poolplayer2093 said:
I'm not complaining. someone asked and i gave my opinion. calm down captain self righteous
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Hold on my friend. My comment was not aimed towards you directly. I was generally speaking of the population of the people in the States who are in these situations......as you were talking about the same people.

Again it was not aimed towards you.....so I think you should calm down.....especially with the name calling.
 
12310bch said:
For fun (and a small profit ) I was buying and selling middle and lower end cues (primarily Meuccis), If I had the time to tie up the money I would be buying like crazy right now The ugotactionTX said it all. It's the economy. About 30 to 40 percent off.
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Hmm, if I were going to be investing like crazy in something for profit right now, cue sticks would be on page 1000000000 of my list of things to invest in.

Silver comes to mind as a good investment these days. :)
 
runout1961 said:
Hold on my friend. My comment was not aimed towards you directly. I was generally speaking of the population of the people in the States who are in these situations......as you were talking about the same people.

Again it was not aimed towards you.....so I think you should calm down.....especially with the name calling.
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it seemed like you were talking about me. my bad
 
poolplayer2093 said:
it seemed like you were talking about me. my bad
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No worries my friend. I've always enjoyed your posts. Keep em' comin'.

Now back to the original topic. Ordering a cue from some builders is just not worth it financially. But, it depends on your intentions of the cue. Are you only looking to flip it? Are you looking for it to be a closet queen? Or are you going to be playing with the cue day in and day out?

It all depends on the individual purchasing the cue. Right now I can think of a couple cue builders where a basic four prong cue with venneers would be around 1500. But, you can skip on over to the for sale section and pick one up for a few hundred less.

But then again if you buy a cue directly from certain cue builders, you have already made money just buying the cue directly from the builder. I am talking about some of the best cue builders out there which have proven to be sound investments.

But on the other hand, even if a cue is more expensive directly from certain builders, some people enjoy the process of ordering a cue directly from the builder. Myself included. The emails, the designing, even the excitement that comes from waiting for the cue to be finished.

I know it's been said a 1000 times but in the end it's just a cue. And it will only sell for what the buyer is willing to pay for it. I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday who is completely ignorant to the fact that cues are worth money. He really flipped a lid when I told him how much I paid for my Tascarella hoppe cue. Then I really stuck a knife in him and told him about my Gus Szamboti and he nearly passed out LOL. But, I broke it down to him and now he understands all that goes into it.

Profit is made when you buy, not when you sell. If you buy the right cue, you will never lose no matter what. But which one is the right one?

John
 
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Everything is not wonderful, but if you as This Guys Supporters they will tell you everything is wonderful.

In My Humble Opinion things need to get better, and people need to have faith that thing will be turning around.

But the other side of the coin is there are some deals to jump on...NOW
 
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custom cues and pricing

IMO, there are a lot of under-rated cue makers on these forums who will build you a quality custom cue for less than you would expect... And the fact that it is YOUR design increases the value FOR YOU immensely. Part of the fun of ordering directly from the cue maker is coming up with the design, figuring out the materials to use, understanding what the cue maker can do for you, then waiting for the product to get into your hands so you can take pics and play with it.

I ordered a custom cue recently, and should be getting it in the next week or so. The cue maker, Greg Sirca, is on AZB, and his cue designs appealed to me. You don't see a lot of talk about Greg Sirca, but his cues show up all over the forums, and his designs are striking to me. Actually emailing and talking to him about the cue I wanted made, going through 2 weeks of back and forth to really nail down the design (from the materials, measurements, placement, and shapes of the inlays and points, the wrap material, the joint material, even the type of tip, ferrule, and taper on the shaft), and getting in-progress pics and email updates from him really enhanced the whole custom cue buying experience for me. I won't know until I get my hands on the cue and play with it if I will be happy with it as a playing cue (I don't buy closet queens, I PLAY with my cues), but I already know I can be happy that I designed the cue to my specifications, and if I ever decide to sell the cue, I know that I got a good deal on it. I will be posting pics of the cue (from in progress to complete) when I get it, as well as a review of how I feel it plays.

The aftermarket for custom cues will stay depressed until the economy rebounds, but I know that by ordering directly from the cue maker himself, I saved myself a lot of money, and got the cue design I wanted.
 
I don't think pool cues are a good investment. The primary reason is the lack of depth in the market. A lot of times what drive investments up in value is liquidity. Think of it like this - you go to an auction and there is only one buyer with a pocket full of money. Then you go to another auction and there are 10 buyers with pockets full of money.

Now having said that, I'm sure there are a lot of members on this forum that make money buying and selling cues. Good for them. But, I think it would be a tough business.

What we need is an Obama new/used pool cue stimulus package.

For me, pool cues are collectible. So why would I want cue prices to go up? To me, the only people who would want prices to go up are people who want to sell. I don't want to sell I want to buy.

Steven
 
Gmanpoke said:
I don't think pool cues are a good investment. The primary reason is the lack of depth in the market. A lot of times what drive investments up in value is liquidity. Think of it like this - you go to an auction and there is only one buyer with a pocket full of money. Then you go to another auction and there are 10 buyers with pockets full of money.

Now having said that, I'm sure there are a lot of members on this forum that make money buying and selling cues. Good for them. But, I think it would be a tough business.

What we need is an Obama new/used pool cue stimulus package.

For me, pool cues are collectible. So why would I want cue prices to go up? To me, the only people who would want prices to go up are people who want to sell. I don't want to sell I want to buy.

Steven
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Hi Steven I want to SELL- what are you looking for?
 
poolplayer2093 said:
the market will turn around when people start finding work easier
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I have always found work to be hard but it always fascinated me. I could sit and watch other people work all day; that is why I am a professional goof off. :rotflmao1:
 
Absolutely Correct

LWW said:
Actually the upper income folks have been hit the hardest in this recession.
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The average person who has a salary is making the same amount as before, but their dollars go even further if they are looking for deals.

But for the self employed, if their business is down 25% (which I think is typical), their net is probaby down 40%+. I'm kinda in this boat.

High end cue sales are still good because the smart money realizes that high end collectibles are appreciating while cash (US Dollars) is depreciating due to inflation. Its better to put your cash into hard assets.
 
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