USPPA Reno players, did they get paid?

Craig Fales said:
The only way at this point I feel is to purge the garbage out. Those that screw others will disappear in a flash when no one shows at their tourney or buys their product or frequents the room of a greedy owner. Right now there are waaaay to many factions and "organizations". As for pro players there should only be one. And of the ones that do exist it's been proven that there are none that are looking out for the players themselves.
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The poster Mark Griffin suggested having a professional in person forum about discussing different ideas to help the long term strategy of the billiard community. Your idea could be one of the many great ideas from a meeting of the minds, the discussion would follow the plot line of people saying what they disliked, what should never happen, and what they want to happen and how much money is available to make things happen.

How to enhance an overall community is a large task and requires a long term commitment, there will be trials and errors made along the way.

I don't mind discussing operational details like why someone forgot to pay prize money and share stories about how and why that would happen. As for enhancing the overall billiard community, I am not a big picture type of person. My guess is whoever is bankrolling the events will have a larger say in what happens and how it happens. Aside from that people that are cashed out only get to gossip.

The thing about purging the people out is a tough sell. When someone gets a job and builds that history they become "entitled" and pushing them out is extremely difficult. Guidelines are something to work on but people always feel like this is how its been done and this is how we should do it. And then people will always say we can save money or time if we don't follow the guidelines and then you can thank me later when the bigger payout comes through.

I am not trying to take away from what you have said. My emphasis is to tell you problems that happen from the idea you suggested. Maybe the billiard community will react differently.
 
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Up until now, Tony would be on the good action list and a million peeps would have vouched for him.

It's something to think about when (if ever) the "post up" rules are put in place.
 
A list of percieved roles and responsibilities would be, IMO, the way to start any type of open discussion for a Pool Summit. Expectations should be a follow up discussion... Or all of these questions would be part of a pre-meeting agenda sent to all those that will attend. Plus each can contribute their own list to be heard.

Why would each of the entities contribute to a $15,000 added event?
What if it were a $25,000 event?

We are not talking about a pool room's weekly and monthly or even yearly events... but the Huge events were the top 25 pros are expected to compete.

Will the lessor events be considered? Player wise, there are a lot more players in these events than the Pro events. Will they have representation?

Just saying,

I would love to be in attendance for this discussion. When will the industry start considering what the bottom 75% of the field feels when they are left out of discussion. Even the Pro events only pay 25-30% of the field.. no one is there except the TD and refs to keep the playing field even and enforce the rules.
 
Tom In Cincy said:
A list of percieved roles and responsibilities would be, IMO, the way to start any type of open discussion for a Pool Summit. Expectations should be a follow up discussion... Or all of these questions would be part of a pre-meeting agenda sent to all those that will attend. Plus each can contribute their own list to be heard.

Why would each of the entities contribute to a $15,000 added event?
What if it were a $25,000 event?

We are not talking about a pool room's weekly and monthly or even yearly events... but the Huge events were the top 25 pros are expected to compete.

Will the lessor events be considered? Player wise, there are a lot more players in these events than the Pro events. Will they have representation?

Just saying,

I would love to be in attendance for this discussion. When will the industry start considering what the bottom 75% of the field feels when they are left out of discussion. Even the Pro events only pay 25-30% of the field.. no one is there except the TD and refs to keep the playing field even and enforce the rules.
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Sounds like you want to create committees and subcommittees to address different regions and different aspects of the billiard community ranging from promotions, productions and tournaments. That works each specialty should stay within their specialty groups. But it would be hard for the billiard mags and the billiard film crews to find any benefit in attending the meeting. They might think well I am just going to make a production I don't care about how the show is run or how it is organized, I just want to make money doing what I want to do.

There has to be clear incentives for participation in the event. That is a huge problem, getting people to participate. Famous people are great crowd pleasers because photo ops sell and people love to sell. Aside from that not much works consistently.
 
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justnum said:
But it would be hard for the billiard mags and the billiard film crews to find any benefit in attending the meeting. They might think well I am just going to make a production I don't care about how the show is run or how it is organized, I just want to make money doing what I want to do.

There has to be clear incentives for participation in the event.
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But that is the attitude now. From all aspects of the billiards industry. "I don't care how anything else is run, I just want to look out for myself."

The incentive would be that if we can raise the level of the entire industry, then we all make more money doing what we do.

Mike
 
AzHousePro said:
But that is the attitude now. From all aspects of the billiards industry. "I don't care how anything else is run, I just want to look out for myself."

The incentive would be that if we can raise the level of the entire industry, then we all make more money doing what we do.

Mike
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That is a tough sell. People are making money as is, working harder doesn't mean they will make more money.

The way things are, are the hardest to change. Unless someone has an offer you can't refuse, usually lots of money for "nothing."

Most people just want the easy money. It is a fact. Will it change? Doubtfully.
 
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Pool needs a new paradigm. If you don't know what that means, look it up. We must start perceiving ourselves as participants in a major sport, and not some minor league activity. I get my dander up every time people tell me pool doesn't work on TV. Try telling that to the ten million+ who watched the World Cup this year or the millions who enjoyed the Mosconi Cup.

And when someone says pool is a minor sport, I remind them that it is one of the most popular participant sports worldwide, with literally over 100 million players. TRUE! These are legitimate counters to the claims that no one follows pool. It's just not true! In my opinion there is an audience in this country for good pool on TV. It has just not been cultivated yet. I mean, we have a hard core of over ten million players who consider pool their number one hobby/activity. But they are not that interested in dated telecasts that have been edited for brevity. I won't go into the other faults I find with the television productions here, it would be beating a dead horse. :)

It is up to each of us to quit complaining about what is wrong and start talking about what is right. We have many great players playing a very complicated and difficult game. The skill and nerve to be a top player and a champion is never more apparent than when watching a pool match between two great players. It is easily the equivalent of any pressure felt by a professional golfer or tennis player.

Think about it!
 
jay helfert said:
Pool needs a new paradigm. If you don't know what that means, look it up. We must start perceiving ourselves as participants in a major sport, and not some minor league activity. I get my dander up every time people tell me pool doesn't work on TV. Try telling that to the ten million+ who watched the World Cup this year or the millions who enjoyed the Mosconi Cup.

And when someone says pool is a minor sport, I remind them that it is one of the most popular participant sports worldwide, with literally over 100 million players. TRUE! These are legitimate counters to the claims that no one follows pool. It's just not true! In my opinion there is an audience in this country for good pool on TV. It has just not been cultivated yet. I mean, we have a hard core of over ten million players who consider pool their number one hobby/activity. But they are not that interested in dated telecasts that have been edited for brevity. I won't go into the other faults I find with the television productions here, it would be beating a dead horse. :)

It is up to each of us to quit complaining about what is wrong and start talking about what is right. We have many great players playing a very complicated and difficult game. The skill and nerve to be a top player and a champion is never more apparent than when watching a pool match between two great players. It is easily the equivalent of any pressure felt by a professional golfer or tennis player.

Think about it!
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The only thing wrong with your post, your avatar smile doesn't match your feelings.;)
 
jay helfert said:
Pool needs a new paradigm. If you don't know what that means, look it up. We must start perceiving ourselves as participants in a major sport, and not some minor league activity. I get my dander up every time people tell me pool doesn't work on TV. Try telling that to the ten million+ who watched the World Cup this year or the millions who enjoyed the Mosconi Cup.

And when someone says pool is a minor sport, I remind them that it is one of the most popular participant sports worldwide, with literally over 100 million players. TRUE! These are legitimate counters to the claims that no one follows pool. It's just not true! In my opinion there is an audience in this country for good pool on TV. It has just not been cultivated yet. I mean, we have a hard core of over ten million players who consider pool their number one hobby/activity. But they are not that interested in dated telecasts that have been edited for brevity. I won't go into the other faults I find with the television productions here, it would be beating a dead horse. :)

It is up to each of us to quit complaining about what is wrong and start talking about what is right. We have many great players playing a very complicated and difficult game. The skill and nerve to be a top player and a champion is never more apparent than when watching a pool match between two great players. It is easily the equivalent of any pressure felt by a professional golfer or tennis player.

Think about it!
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Here's an updated image of pool for you: Geek chic.

Time Magazine has Mark Zukerberg (Time's Person of the Year, Facebook founder, subject of "The Social Network") and his Facebook Team hanging out and shooting pool at Antonio's Nut House in Palo Alto.

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2037103_2219012,00.html

Pool is truly like a 3 dimensional video game - all the laws of physics apply. It's also an escape. Just the thing for geeks.

Chris
 
TATE said:
Here's an updated image of pool for you: Geek chic.

Time Magazine has Mark Zukerberg (Time's Person of the Year, Facebook founder, subject of "The Social Network") and his Facebook Team hanging out and shooting pool at Antonio's Nut House in Palo Alto.

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2037103_2219012,00.html

Pool is truly like a 3 dimensional video game - all the laws of physics apply. It's also an escape. Just the thing for geeks.

Chris
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Thanks Chris! Exactly my point, EVERYBODY loves pool and actually enjoys playing the game. Unlike football, basketball and baseball, which are mainly spectator sports. Almost all celebs have a pool table at home, along with many rich guys. If we can find a way (hello coalition!) to get some of these people interested in doing something with our sport, then we are on our way. So far no one has reached out to them, like the Pro Bowlers Tour did with Paul Allen.

Let's just keep dreaming about the Olympics for another few decades! :cool:
 
jay helfert said:
Thanks Chris! Exactly my point, EVERYBODY loves pool and actually enjoys playing the game. Unlike football, basketball and baseball, which are mainly spectator sports. Almost all celebs have a pool table at home, along with many rich guys. If we can find a way (hello coalition!) to get some of these people interested in doing something with our sport, then we are on our way. So far no one has reached out to them, like the Pro Bowlers Tour did with Paul Allen.

Let's just keep dreaming about the Olympics for another few decades! :cool:
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I'm a computer geek and I'm always working on converting my computer geek friends to play pool. They have great minds for it. One of my teammates is an old friend I've known for years who is a computer geek. He's right now just an SL2 in APA 8-Ball because he is just learning and his form is horrible. But, you should see the defensive stuff he comes up with when playing strong players! He can see the table and knows what to do, he just can't do it, yet!
 
jay helfert said:
Pool needs a new paradigm. If you don't know what that means, look it up. We must start perceiving ourselves as participants in a major sport, and not some minor league activity. I get my dander up every time people tell me pool doesn't work on TV. Try telling that to the ten million+ who watched the World Cup this year or the millions who enjoyed the Mosconi Cup.

And when someone says pool is a minor sport, I remind them that it is one of the most popular participant sports worldwide, with literally over 100 million players. TRUE! These are legitimate counters to the claims that no one follows pool. It's just not true! In my opinion there is an audience in this country for good pool on TV. It has just not been cultivated yet. I mean, we have a hard core of over ten million players who consider pool their number one hobby/activity. But they are not that interested in dated telecasts that have been edited for brevity. I won't go into the other faults I find with the television productions here, it would be beating a dead horse. :)

It is up to each of us to quit complaining about what is wrong and start talking about what is right. We have many great players playing a very complicated and difficult game. The skill and nerve to be a top player and a champion is never more apparent than when watching a pool match between two great players. It is easily the equivalent of any pressure felt by a professional golfer or tennis player.

Think about it!
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He is right we should just all donate money to him so that he can show us the correct way to promote pool. It is really up to the fans to decide to support the sport but we need someone that knows how to get the fans riled up about the sport.

I am sold. How much money did you want? Do you sell group tables or is this an investor type deal?
 
justnum said:
He is right we should just all donate money to him so that he can show us the correct way to promote pool. It is really up to the fans to decide to support the sport but we need someone that knows how to get the fans riled up about the sport.

I am sold. How much money did you want? Do you sell group tables or is this an investor type deal?
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you really need to take a break from posting in this thread. you don't add as much as you think you do.
 
MikeM said:
you really need to take a break from posting in this thread. you don't add as much as you think you do.
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Its a concept discussion. What do you think you need money for and how do you think it would work? KT already tried the pamper the players and up the prize money but did it draw out crowds or players?

Well the ideal if I had all the money to do this and that is a good start. Then you peel off what can be done for less and what can be done for free. Then you peel off again and state people that already do something and doesn't need duplicating.

Running with an idea in a discussion is a lot cheaper than putting an idea in action with money. Sometimes the results achieved are the same, usually they end in disappointment.
 
Topic?

I think this thread has gotten a little off topic from the original post. Have the players been paid yet?

Inquiring minds want to know. :cool:

Dudley
 
Dudley said:
I think this thread has gotten a little off topic from the original post. Have the players been paid yet?

Inquiring minds want to know. :cool:

Dudley
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It doesn't seem right that nobody has NOT been paid anything yet - especially if 99 players paid $100 entry fees. What about that $9,900.00?

I'm going to re-read an earlier posting to see if I can make any sense of this:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=191147 :eek:
 
Reno USPPA and (non) payouts

I totally agree this thread has gotten 'off topic'

Some of the posters know absolutely nothing about what they speak and all it does is confuse the issue and make the serious posters loose interest.

The 'summit idea' has gotten very little response, but I am thinking of going forward with it.

By the Way - the answer is NOT as difficult as everyone is making it out to be. But it has to stay on topic.

Mark Griffin, CEO
CSI - BCAPL - USAPL

PS: Where is Tony - and where is the Money?
 
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