I can confirm the OP's issue with the Cyclop cue ball, we are seeing the same thing with a new set of TV balls. Not sure who's making these for Diamond but their quality control sucks.
Video evidence that Cyclop is garbage
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Am I missing something. The first test showed ball on right, cross over when it hit rail.
The second test he put ball on left, and I saw nothing wrong on that test, in fact the ball on the right this time started rolling towards the bottom pocket?
then he exclaims that's dramatic ? what was dramatic on the second part of the test ?
Of course, using a finger test is as far away as scientific as you want to get
The second test he put ball on left, and I saw nothing wrong on that test, in fact the ball on the right this time started rolling towards the bottom pocket?
then he exclaims that's dramatic ? what was dramatic on the second part of the test ?
Of course, using a finger test is as far away as scientific as you want to get
The best way to test them is simply try and shoot a game of pool with them. When you try and hit a ball down table softly and you completely miss the object ball due to the cue ball rolling off so much, you start suspecting something is amiss. Switching to a measle ball or an Aramith red dot immediately fixes the issue and all of a sudden you can shoot pool again.
I don't own these balls. But where did Cylcops balls "fail" the test, especially on the second throw ? The other ball rolled off, not the Cyclops ball ??
A few points to consider:
1. Some Cyclop CB's might be great. Some might roll off. That could be the reason some people say they suck, and some people say they are perfect.
2. In the 10 solid years being on AZB, I don't think I ever recall complaints of Centennials, or Super Aramith Pros CB's rolling off. I don't even recall the super cheap KMart sets having complaints. That does not mean it didn't happen, but it is ironic that a new ball comes on the scene, and some people do say it rolls off substantially.
3. If there is a roll off problem, what causes it? Is it the slate level? Is it the stretch of the cloth? Is it the nap of the cloth? To rule out table factors, the test must be done with the ball started in multiple orientations, with notes taken as to where it finally came to rest. Rolling it only once, will not give any pertinent information, even if it rolls perfectly.
4. If the table is ruled out, and the ball is determeined to have a roll off, then what is the cause of the roll off? Is it an internal out of balance of the ball? Is it an external out of sphericity tolerance? If its an internal out of balance, then what caused that? Is it the inlay of the logo? Is the logo material of a different density than the base material? What about the object balls? They have inlays also. Do they have a roll-off?
5. Lots of things to consider. The first step of observing that some Cyclop balls roll off has been established. Now, to come to proof that its the ball, and if so, what the cause is, would require careful testing taking into account all of the above, and probably several more things I probably missed.
1. Some Cyclop CB's might be great. Some might roll off. That could be the reason some people say they suck, and some people say they are perfect.
2. In the 10 solid years being on AZB, I don't think I ever recall complaints of Centennials, or Super Aramith Pros CB's rolling off. I don't even recall the super cheap KMart sets having complaints. That does not mean it didn't happen, but it is ironic that a new ball comes on the scene, and some people do say it rolls off substantially.
3. If there is a roll off problem, what causes it? Is it the slate level? Is it the stretch of the cloth? Is it the nap of the cloth? To rule out table factors, the test must be done with the ball started in multiple orientations, with notes taken as to where it finally came to rest. Rolling it only once, will not give any pertinent information, even if it rolls perfectly.
4. If the table is ruled out, and the ball is determeined to have a roll off, then what is the cause of the roll off? Is it an internal out of balance of the ball? Is it an external out of sphericity tolerance? If its an internal out of balance, then what caused that? Is it the inlay of the logo? Is the logo material of a different density than the base material? What about the object balls? They have inlays also. Do they have a roll-off?
5. Lots of things to consider. The first step of observing that some Cyclop balls roll off has been established. Now, to come to proof that its the ball, and if so, what the cause is, would require careful testing taking into account all of the above, and probably several more things I probably missed.
Are you just trolling? I'm done with this argument.
What are you talking about?? I'm not arguing about anything? I'm asking what happened in the demonstration?
I saw the ball roll off on first test, but not on second test? How is that trolling? Get a grip dude.
Actually you can, Dale. If you strike the CB at 3 o'clock, or 9 o'clock, you're hitting "center english" (no follow or draw). However, the OP means dead center, not center english. Most poolplayers never learn what center english does because they are always adding top or bottom, when shooting with sidespin. 
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I think everyone is getting caught up in some kind of argument and demanding data to prove something that people who've actually dealt with these cue balls already know. They roll off, period. Trust that other people know how to play pool as well or better than you, and stop all the trolling and arguing about something you aren't experiencing.
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Cyclop Balls
Cyclop balls - Today, 01:34 PM
This is a post from an earlier thread. If any if this pertains to you, please follow the information and get the damaged balls to my office.
Anybody that has any Cyclop balls that are damaged, chipped, broken, or otherwise wise compromised, please send it to my office.
I don't know when I will be back in the office since I am still recuperating from my lung transplant. The earliest I will be back is early May. With luck maybe a little earlier - with issues, it could easily be an additional 30-60 days.
We have never seen any damaged ball, but the cracked picture is pretty compelling. But can't address the problem from a picture. We will immediately replace and return to the sender at no charge. We will get them sent to the proper place/person to address the problem.
If a cue ball has an obvious flaw - send it. If it is a small roll off when the ball is almost stopped, there are too many variables, such as chalk or dirt, cloth pulled improperly, or other things.
I'm not going to get into debates. I am collecting data so we can deal with facts and try to ascertain if there is an issue, and how to correct the problem.
Please do not contact me directly, I am in Arizona for next 2-3 months. Our office will address each instance in a professional and thorough manner. Please provide as much info to is about when and where they were purchased. Perhaps we can find a pattern. All I know, is we need the items in our hand to make any kind of intelligent analysis.
Thank you for your understanding.
Send to: CSI. (Attn Balls)
2041 Pabco Road
Henderson, Nevada. 89011
Mark Griffin
Cyclop balls - Today, 01:34 PM
This is a post from an earlier thread. If any if this pertains to you, please follow the information and get the damaged balls to my office.
Anybody that has any Cyclop balls that are damaged, chipped, broken, or otherwise wise compromised, please send it to my office.
I don't know when I will be back in the office since I am still recuperating from my lung transplant. The earliest I will be back is early May. With luck maybe a little earlier - with issues, it could easily be an additional 30-60 days.
We have never seen any damaged ball, but the cracked picture is pretty compelling. But can't address the problem from a picture. We will immediately replace and return to the sender at no charge. We will get them sent to the proper place/person to address the problem.
If a cue ball has an obvious flaw - send it. If it is a small roll off when the ball is almost stopped, there are too many variables, such as chalk or dirt, cloth pulled improperly, or other things.
I'm not going to get into debates. I am collecting data so we can deal with facts and try to ascertain if there is an issue, and how to correct the problem.
Please do not contact me directly, I am in Arizona for next 2-3 months. Our office will address each instance in a professional and thorough manner. Please provide as much info to is about when and where they were purchased. Perhaps we can find a pattern. All I know, is we need the items in our hand to make any kind of intelligent analysis.
Thank you for your understanding.
Send to: CSI. (Attn Balls)
2041 Pabco Road
Henderson, Nevada. 89011
Mark Griffin
first of all I hope you get well MarK...
we have three sets of Cyclops ballS in our town and I've seen all three sets especially the cue ball do real funny stuff like mark mentioned right before it stopped I'm talking turn on a dime and not ever hit anything at real slow speeds its really weird...
we have three sets of Cyclops ballS in our town and I've seen all three sets especially the cue ball do real funny stuff like mark mentioned right before it stopped I'm talking turn on a dime and not ever hit anything at real slow speeds its really weird...
Yes Cyclops is garbage.
I've seen some that are perfect and some that are even worse than this.
Total inconsistent garbage.
Only way I'd buy this junk is if I got to shoot and weigh every ball and select my own set.
Since I don't have the time to go through bs like that I just get Aramith Pro.
Problem solved.
I've seen some that are perfect and some that are even worse than this.
Total inconsistent garbage.
Only way I'd buy this junk is if I got to shoot and weigh every ball and select my own set.
Since I don't have the time to go through bs like that I just get Aramith Pro.
Problem solved.
It's a shame too, we bought the set for everyone to test out at our local pool hall. There was a lot of enthusiasm at first, everyone wanted to play with the TV balls! We were looking at buying a set for every table (normal Cyclop balls for the others, not the TV ones) and we were shopping around for a good price.
Then we started seeing issues with the cue ball during 1P matches, very skilled players missing the entire object ball during long shots. At first everyone started blaming the tables and wondering if they needed leveled (all Diamond 9 footers) but after some testing with other cue balls the issue was quickly found. On top of that the 15-ball cracked and that was the end of Cyclop balls for us.
Now nobody will touch Cyclop balls, they don't trust them and are firmly back to Aramith. The voodoo has bitten them and I doubt they'll even try again if given the chance.
Then we started seeing issues with the cue ball during 1P matches, very skilled players missing the entire object ball during long shots. At first everyone started blaming the tables and wondering if they needed leveled (all Diamond 9 footers) but after some testing with other cue balls the issue was quickly found. On top of that the 15-ball cracked and that was the end of Cyclop balls for us.
Now nobody will touch Cyclop balls, they don't trust them and are firmly back to Aramith. The voodoo has bitten them and I doubt they'll even try again if given the chance.
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But what about the other people (who) know how to play pool as well or better than you, and are not experiencing any bad results?
and stop all the trolling and arguing about something you aren't experiencing
Spoken like a true troll.
Do these balls have a magnet in them,? Just how does the ball return sort them from the others?
My guess is they have a magnet in them, and it is not centered.
My guess is they have a magnet in them, and it is not centered.