Vote for 14.1 Hall of Fame
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Sean, I totally agreed with you. This is so BS it cannot even begin to be taken seriously.
Lou Figueroa
A year ago a non-player, Jerome Keough, was inducted for being the game's inventor. That was perfectly reasonable and was consistent with the BCA Hall of Fame principle that meritorious service to the game should also be recognized in Hall of Fame selections.
Using similar logic, one of the game's greatest ever advocates, who continues to be a great ambassador for cuesports, would be Charlie Ursitti, who was Mosconi's business manager, and who was the promoter behind the Minnesota Fats vs Mosconi Challenge televised on ABC as well as numerous other high profile 14.1 events.
Yes, Charlie Ursitti would be very deserving of induction.
Using similar logic, one of the game's greatest ever advocates, who continues to be a great ambassador for cuesports, would be Charlie Ursitti, who was Mosconi's business manager, and who was the promoter behind the Minnesota Fats vs Mosconi Challenge televised on ABC as well as numerous other high profile 14.1 events.
Yes, Charlie Ursitti would be very deserving of induction.
14.1 Hall of Fame
For those who asked, Ray Martin and Jerome Keough were the first two inductees at last year's banquet. There's approximately 125 years of 14.1 history to catch up on. Clearly multiple champions like De Oro, Mosconi, Greenleaf, Crane, Mizerak, Sigel, Ortmann should be recognized, but the BCA HOF already does that.
As will come as no surprise to readers of my Local Legends posts, I applaud DP's decision to recognize both "forgotten" figures as well as obvious candidates such as Oliver.
The 14 crazed straight pool junkies who haunt this forum and constantly bicker with each other probably got the bug from watching a magician like Colavita or Nagy in their local rooms. Let's honor the sources of our lifelong devotion.
Onofrio Lauri was the old man I followed around...and then there was this guy named Cisero Murphy who showed up in my aptly named hometown of Hicksville, New York..
But that's another story.
For those who asked, Ray Martin and Jerome Keough were the first two inductees at last year's banquet. There's approximately 125 years of 14.1 history to catch up on. Clearly multiple champions like De Oro, Mosconi, Greenleaf, Crane, Mizerak, Sigel, Ortmann should be recognized, but the BCA HOF already does that.
As will come as no surprise to readers of my Local Legends posts, I applaud DP's decision to recognize both "forgotten" figures as well as obvious candidates such as Oliver.
The 14 crazed straight pool junkies who haunt this forum and constantly bicker with each other probably got the bug from watching a magician like Colavita or Nagy in their local rooms. Let's honor the sources of our lifelong devotion.
Onofrio Lauri was the old man I followed around...and then there was this guy named Cisero Murphy who showed up in my aptly named hometown of Hicksville, New York..
But that's another story.
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Thank God for Gene. There Are some sensible people here.
We are fortunate Dragon P is keeping 14.1 alive and honoring those who would never get recognition elsewhere. And bring back legends long forgotten to let us all watch them and appreciate them one more time!
We are fortunate Dragon P is keeping 14.1 alive and honoring those who would never get recognition elsewhere. And bring back legends long forgotten to let us all watch them and appreciate them one more time!
Thing is though, then why not just leave this HoF for the forgotten ones? No need to induct guys like Ortmann who, as you put it, are obvious candidates. Let the BCA HoF take care of them.
BTW, does the One Pocket HoF deliberately leave out those that are recognized by the BCA HoF? No, they don't.
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I am glad that others feel the same way as I do on this HOF thing.
Look over the members of the BCA HOF.
All of the first inductees were the straight pooll monsters.
All this does is dilute the value of being a member of the BCA HOF.
It does not create anything of value - the voting process is flawed, the criteria is unknown, and the selection process is flawed.
i find it embarrasing for the people who really value straight pool.
I mean, the first year I believe Wille Hoppe was one of the candidates.
REALLY?????
Mark Griffin
Look over the members of the BCA HOF.
All of the first inductees were the straight pooll monsters.
All this does is dilute the value of being a member of the BCA HOF.
It does not create anything of value - the voting process is flawed, the criteria is unknown, and the selection process is flawed.
i find it embarrasing for the people who really value straight pool.
I mean, the first year I believe Wille Hoppe was one of the candidates.
REALLY?????
Mark Griffin
Mark:
Oh yes, but you're missing the points:
"We like to treat the value of each of the 300+ people that voted fairly and equally."
--and--
"Fans sent in their own picks which ranged from people outside of this group as well. The 6 current leaders in the votes are the culmination from several players that were nominated."
Yep, when you use a medium like Facebook to ask for inductee candidates, oh my gosh, you'll definitely get your 14.1 enthusiasts -- and people that even know what 14.1 is -- voting in droves. I'm surprised "Minnesota Fats" and "that Black Widow chick" don't come up as candidates!
But afterall, "satisfaction" is the name of the game, and they seem "satisfied" with the results.
<...facepalm...>
-Sean
In his prime playing years, Lou Butera had a wife and something like 5 or more kids plus he ran a business. With all of that going on, he still was one of the best players in the world and earned entry into the BCA HOF. He didn't have time to practice 8 hours a day and he didn't spend all of his time on the road like a lot of players. Yet he beat all of the greats of his time which was the hey day of straight pool. Watching him play was like watching a ballet around a pool table. IMHO, he belongs in the 14.1 HOF.
Maybe that explains why he played so damn fast. He had to play as much as he could before the wife called him home.
Just a theory.
What are the criteria ?
Before you can cast an intelligent, reasoned vote, shouldn't there be some criteria to base eligibility? Certainly Hoppe, Mosconi, Caras, Crane, Mizerak, Sigel, Varner, Lassiter, West, and Ortmann would comprise a "short" list...all world champions.
Before you can cast an intelligent, reasoned vote, shouldn't there be some criteria to base eligibility? Certainly Hoppe, Mosconi, Caras, Crane, Mizerak, Sigel, Varner, Lassiter, West, and Ortmann would comprise a "short" list...all world champions.
There are plenty you could add (Greenleaf, Murphy, etc.) and at least one you could drop - Hoppe. Although Hoppe is probably a favorite to get into the DP HoF since he made the ballot last year.
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Yes, I agree
Murphy and also Balsis were World Champions and deserve inclusion.
What about great straight pool players who never won a World Title:
Eufemia, Colavita, Nagy, Jimmy Moore, Ervolino, Rempe?
Murphy and also Balsis were World Champions and deserve inclusion.
What about great straight pool players who never won a World Title:
Eufemia, Colavita, Nagy, Jimmy Moore, Ervolino, Rempe?
Actually Jerome Keogh was the "Continuous Pool" Champion in 1910.
Source: New Illustrated Encyclopedia of Billiards http://books.google.com/books?id=7Aj9Z87yzGcC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=Jerome+Keough+straight+pool&source=bl&ots=zPsMYXsnjs&sig=0OVzMJFE91EhRH0d5MXlY1UwmmM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=aZIBULHoH4yi8QTlmfGNCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Jerome%20Keough%20straight%20pool&f=false
Here is an article from the N.Y. Times 1910 concerning the World Champion Jerome Keogh. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F10813FB385417738DDDA00A94D9415B808DF1D3
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How does Hoppe qualify as a 14.1 Hall of Famer? His World Championships if I recall correctly were in 18.1 and 18.2 Balkline and 3 cushion billiards not straight pool.
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Hoppe
http://home.bca-pool.com/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&subarticlenbr=31
He didn't and that was the rub last year.