Western arrogance is alive and well

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One example of a Chinese product - Apple computers, iPads and iPhones. Very few people think they suck, which has made them the most valuable company in the world. A lot of people think the labor conditions suck, but that's another story.

Yes the conditions sucked so bad that so many workers were committing suicide because of the conditions the way they are warehoused
(6 in a small room on bunk beds) that they constructed netting sticking out from the buildings near the top so that they couldn't jump.
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Thaiger and Wity both seem to be from England, we know that much for sure.

Using your line of reasoning, one could easily infer that you and the Cocobolo Cowboy are the same person.

Don't quit your day job, mate. :D

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Actually, that's some inside ribbing between TheThaiger and I -- *of course* I know that he and Wity aren't the same person. The British thing is just a little poke I use to get his gourd, and you'd recognize this from past postings between TheThaiger and I, if you weren't so quick to try to get a little poke in yourself. ;)

Don't quit your day job either. ;)

-Sean
 
And while there's a positive spin to many Chinese-made products (e.g. Chinese-made cues), there's also the dark side, too.

I'm a dog owner (my lady and I have three). We treat these guys occasionally with doggie treats, so we're in the pet store a lot. Many of the products for pets are now made almost exclusively in China -- including food and treats.

I'm sure the pet owners among us are well aware of the recent news that some of the Chinese-made doggie jerky treats (e.g. dried chicken treats, like the Waggin' Train brand) were suddenly causing severe sickness and deaths:

"Chicken Jerky from China may be causing Fanconi syndrome in dogs"
http://askavetquestion.com/news/2011/chicken-jerky-fanconi/

"FDA Continues to Caution Dog Owners About Chicken Jerky Products"
http://fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/NewsEvents/CVMUpdates/ucm280586.htm

Lisa and I have since STEERED CLEAR of any Chinese-made food and pet products. When we pick up a product off the shelves in the store to read its label, the first place we look is to see where the product is made, and if that's been intentionally obscured, we try to determine it from the barcode. (Yes, it's true that you can't always determine the country of MANUFACTURE from the barcode, but you can get an idea which country issued the barcode, which is often close to the country of manufacture.) We stick with U.S. or Brazilian-made pet products.

-Sean

I know exactly how you feel. My dog is very important to me and i am very particular about what he gets to eat. Have you tried making the treats yourself. They are economical, healthy and easy to make. Our dog loves them. On the flip side it is less convenient to make your own but for us its worth it. I can send you the recipe if your interested.

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I know exactly how you feel. My dog is very important to me and i am very particular about what he gets to eat. Have you tried making the treats yourself. They are economical, healthy and easy to make. Our dog loves them. On the flip side it is less convenient to make your own but for us its worth it. I can send you the recipe if your interested.

I just re-read my post and realized my wife has started to turn me into a woman. I am trading recipes on the internet for God's sake!

......So........how 'bout them Bears?
 
I just re-read my post and realized my wife has started to turn me into a woman. I am trading recipes on the internet for God's sake!

......So........how 'bout them Bears?

Ha ha!! Too late, PM sent! :D

And what about them bears -- is the recipe for bear-jerky treats? :p
 
Nope, all plastic is not cheap,,,,some is actually quite expensive,,,,,,and phenolic isn't plastic. Generally you can tell a chinese made cue by the generous amount of detail, which is usually just stickers that many people can't tell the difference with, as well as the low price,,,,,,so easily descernable from a mile away. Then there is the all exotic 'ebonized' finish, which to the more informed means cheap ass wood painted black. But at least they make cheap cues, and for the most part sell them cheap. And make no mistake, the ones I see are made extremely cheap. I get them in my repair shop occasionally,,,,,I see hollow ferulles with hardly any tenon in them at all, with plastic so cheap it melts down before I can even break the glue bond,,,,I've removed crooked pins from them that were nothing but a piece of 5/16-18 all thread hack-sawed off and the end that was screwed into the forearm not even deburred before being epoxied in. I have also seen forearms that were not cored at all,,,,,just one piece with a painted finish or a lithograph image on it to cover up the crap wood. Many times the repair work costs more than the cue could ever possibly be worth. I'll stick with American made personally,,,,,,I always get quality, and I never lose money on them.

I'm talking about the $100 cue they make, not the $39 one. That's two and a half times more money in their mind, not another $60 as we think. My BIL has an expensive custom cue (Won't mention the maker) and I was showing him my slip on cue extender. It fit a little tight on his butt and when I pulled it off the butt ring work came with it. Nice quality!!
 
I'm talking about the $100 cue they make, not the $39 one. That's two and a half times more money in their mind, not another $60 as we think. My BIL has an expensive custom cue (Won't mention the maker) and I was showing him my slip on cue extender. It fit a little tight on his butt and when I pulled it off the butt ring work came with it. Nice quality!!

Blackballed......are you asleep?

To Metmot, I'm just joking, I would be upset too if my butt fell apart.:thumbup:
 
I was going to stay out of this thread but I can't help but comment.
Putting aside all the well known moral and ethical reasons to not buy a Chinese made product and keeping strictly to the cues.
I have a Lucasi cue and after 3 years it is still straight and plays great.
Now this is not a cheap cue by Chinese cue standards. Bill Stroud spent a lot of time teaching the Lucasi factory how to made cues. I sent a PM to him and asked him if Lucasi cues were any good. He replied that they were making a great cue. Hopefully he was being honest and not protecting any deal he had with them.
I think the better made Chinese cues are quite good.
A funny side story to this is a while back I bought a Sony LCD TV. When I got it home and was taking it out of the box with my son, I noticed it was made in Mexico. "Mexico I said?" Here I thought I had bought a quality Chinese made TV. Mexico! Who would've thunk it?
And I do understand that many people want to support the American cue makers.
And I buy no Chinese made food or dog food products. I just don't trust them to be safe.
 
We are the number one consumer nation in the world

And if I can add and also include myself in this mess as being from Canada.

North Americans are also the biggest wasters and abusers in the entire world. Our land fills are over flowing.

I agree with the poster that said, "I buy what I want and not really care from where it is made. Me too, altho I do like to support NA products. I buy my El Cheapo Wranglers at Wal Mart. Hmmm, do you think these are made in NA? Probably India or Pakistan or one of those Stan countrys.

It is difficult to own any type of decent electronic products without buying Japanese. Anybody who disagrees, look around your house and see what you have. Maybe your NA vehicle is fixed with Chinese jobber parts. S hit, I know I have foreign jobber parts on both of my Harleys. They are shipped with an HD logo on them and part number but I highly doubt they were made in the USA.

I have a Chinese made Balabushka Tribute cue under the name of Axis.
The same company that sells these also sells the Gino Ferrari line.

Also they have Szamboti tribute cues.

The one I own is pure quality and I can tell you with certainty, that anyone who looks at this one and plays with it would agree with me 100%. No lies, just fact. You'd crap your pants if I told you what wholesale prices are on these cues. OK, I will tell you. $130.00
You could not get a custom cue maker to even think of making a cue of this quality for $130. He'd laugh you out of his shop. You couldn't even get a custom shaft for this much and the GB tribute cues come with not one, but two shafts with Aegis ferrules and Triangle tips. The points are dead even, the veneers are pretty much perfect in my eyes. The inlays are perfect and the finish is perfect, not a flaw. The materials used in this cue are top notch, not cheap plastic.

I went to Vegas a couple of years ago and didn't want to take my good cues in case they were damaged or lost. I decided to order a cheap cue to take with me. Boy was I ever wrong.
 
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I've been seeing alot of warped Chinese shafts lately, even Predators. Last night a friend showed me his very warped Elite shaft. On the other hand, my 3 Huebler shafts are still straight after all these years.

And don't get me started on the tools from China. Just awful. :(
 
Hey, I trade recipes. I would like some for my doggies if you don't mind.

I hope people aren't thinking that you, me and Sean are having a 3 way Bromance.
 
The Fury cue thread really drove this home. "Oh it's just a cheap Chinese product". It's time we start to understand and admit, low price due to economic reasons does not automatically equal "cheap" product. How can a pool cue retailing for $100 be any good? How indeed! It can because $100 there isn't $100 here. Made from cheap materials? What exactly does that mean? Isn't all plastic pretty cheap? Custom cues are full of it. Oh wait, they call it "phenolic". China has modern equipment, cheap labor, good materials and no morals about copying what works from whomever invented it. And they are quite good at it.

China is now dominating the production cue market as they are most other consumer products but many of us Westerners are in complete denial. And it's tilting more and more that way every day. The $100 Chinese cue may or may not be equal to the $1000 domestic one today, but give it a couple more years. The writing is on the wall.

We have a lot of RETIRED UNION WORKER WHERE I LIVE. They talk about BUY AMERICAN, they talk about AMERICA BECOME A WORLD CLASS ECONOMY AGAIN, They talk about what America NEED IS HIGH PAYING MANUFACTURING JOBS.

But they buy the shoes from out of the USA, they buy their clothing from out of the USA, they buy on price when they are spending THEIR MONEY.

They do now walk the path they tell everyone else to take, and the who lot of them DO NOT LEAD BY EXAMPLE. I think they are called HYPOCRITES!
 
I'm talking about the $100 cue they make, not the $39 one. That's two and a half times more money in their mind, not another $60 as we think. My BIL has an expensive custom cue (Won't mention the maker) and I was showing him my slip on cue extender. It fit a little tight on his butt and when I pulled it off the butt ring work came with it. Nice quality!!

hmmmm,,,,,,where was the cue extender made,,,,,,and why in the world would anybody every put one on a descent cue? That's what mechanical bridges are for?

If I were your BIL, you'd be paying for cue repairs my friend,,,,,,,,
 
if the chinese are so great at making products, then why do they not have any products. All I ever seen is products they copy, and then mass produce with inferior materials for the most part, and dirt cheap labor. I can't even think of a single thing that they actually produced first, except "maybe" an eggroll or something, but I wouldn't bet on even that. They should be made to pay royalties to the companies they steal product designs from, but they don't, hell they don't even have to pay import fees into the US. Yet if you can find an American made product to buy in china, it costs much more than chinese products. I could care less whether they make good stuff or not,,,,,,given the choice between american or chinese product,,,,,,until there is fair and equal trade and commerce laws in place and adhered to,,,,,,I'm buyin friggin American every time. ESPECIALLY IN POOL CUES, AND CASES!
 
hmmmm,,,,,,where was the cue extender made,,,,,,and why in the world would anybody every put one on a descent cue? That's what mechanical bridges are for?

If I were your BIL, you'd be paying for cue repairs my friend,,,,,,,,

Have you ever used one on a nine foot table? They're easy to mock when you haven't tried them. There is a certain type of shot which they outperform a bridge on for all of us who didn't cut their teeth on a snooker table. They don't hurt a "decent" cue one bit. The cue extender I have was made in the usa by hand I believe. I highly recomend it (qxtender.com). It works very well as long as your cue isn't using friction to hold it together. I just pushed his cue back together and it was as good as ever. Maybe the cue maker will fix the thing at no charge when he realizes saving money on glue isn't the right move. If I made cues and my butt rings came off for any reason at all I would just quietly fix it.
 
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Not to nitpick, but Sony is a Japanese company, not Chinese. Still odd that they would outsource labor to Mexico.:shrug:

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A funny side story to this is a while back I bought a Sony LCD TV. When I got it home and was taking it out of the box with my son, I noticed it was made in Mexico. "Mexico I said?" Here I thought I had bought a quality Chinese made TV. Mexico! Who would've thunk it?
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