We've all tried a cue that had a dead (bad) hit. I've even tried full splice house cues that had a hit like that. What, in your opinion causes this phenomenon, other than having a bad tip?
What causes a cue to get a "dead" hit?
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Shaft
Just put on a LD shaft....................................
Just put on a LD shaft....................................
Actually it is very simple. If the cue made by ________ ___________ it will surely have a bad hit and eventually warp. Also the inlays will rise.
We have all been there, you fill in the blanks
So as to not knock someone's cue, fill in your own. I know mine!
We have all been there, you fill in the blanks
So as to not knock someone's cue, fill in your own. I know mine!
I think its the wood. Ive heard of several cue makers choosing wood based on sound and tone. I think it was Joey Gold that was said to bounce his shaft wood on concrete and listen for a certain ping. Production cues probably dont have as selective a process in choosing wood. Sometime youll hear the same with customs.... I think its the woods.
No, it's not from an LD shafts. It's from soft tips that come from Japan.
I know we wasn't supposed to say tips, but I just got rid of one of those Kablooies. It was deader than my first wife, in bed.
Opinions
Well we all have our opinions , but I will have to agree with you on your first wife, She was like screwing a dead fish with a LD .
uttahere:
Definition LD ( limp Dick )
No, it's not from an LD shafts. It's from soft tips that come from Japan.
I know we wasn't supposed to say tips, but I just got rid of one of those Kablooies. It was deader than my first wife, in bed.
Well we all have our opinions , but I will have to agree with you on your first wife, She was like screwing a dead fish with a LD .
uttahere:Definition LD ( limp Dick )
Well we all have our opinions , but I will have to agree with you on your first wife, She was like screwing a dead fish with a LD .
Definition LD ( limp Dick )
Now Mike, if there's anyone who would know about screwing dead things, it would be you. :smile:
Dead
When it doesnt produce the ball action when u juice it and it doesnt produce the slightest feedback to know how hard you are hitting , from my experience, a cue is dead when it is overly stiff !
Just my 2 cents
When it doesnt produce the ball action when u juice it and it doesnt produce the slightest feedback to know how hard you are hitting , from my experience, a cue is dead when it is overly stiff !
Just my 2 cents
Wood combinations come to mind as well as shafts that have no defined spine or LD shafts after they have hit thousands of balls and seem to turn into noodles...
I have hit several tulipwood cues and all have felt dead to me.. I assumed it was the tonal quality of the wood and it's resonance just was not good at tranferring the hit.... I know several cue makers that match woods based on tonal qualities that I assume are a cross over from musical instruments... I would say that tuning a cue to a certain note might be pretty interesting in matching cues to players.....
I have hit several tulipwood cues and all have felt dead to me.. I assumed it was the tonal quality of the wood and it's resonance just was not good at tranferring the hit.... I know several cue makers that match woods based on tonal qualities that I assume are a cross over from musical instruments... I would say that tuning a cue to a certain note might be pretty interesting in matching cues to players.....
Lol
Trust me there is nothing sexy about a dead person, I only did the funeral home thing for 3 or 4 years, I have health issues and could no longer work in the gold mines or in my profession ( heavy equipment mechanic or mining equipment mechanic ).
I didn't even apply for the job, I was pouring concrete at the funeral home ,
I just was finishing up and their was going to be a service in a bout 1.5 hours when a semi plowed through a construction zone on the free way and destroyed have dozen cars and SUV's about 60 miles out of town.
I was asked to go home and change cloths and go pick these people up.
I told the director that I didn't know if I could do this kind of stuff, I vomit cleaning a deer .
After that I become a driver taking bodies all over the country and even a couple out of the country.
It was great, At the end of the day if had a lay over in Vegas or LA I would swing into a pool hall a shoot pool.
As long as I could keep a eye out that no one steals the van I was good to go.
I don't know how it would effect my job if a lost a few people , But the brite side of things they couldn't of paid me any less:thumbup:
After I would get my friends loaded on a jet headed off toward Mexico or some country in South America If I wasn't needed back in Nevada I would take the Hi way 101 up to Northern California stopping off shooting at friends houses or hitting the pool halls .
It was like a mini vacation and I was on the clock.
One of our AZB members who now lives in Salinas CA gave me this nick name.
Any way the dead lay thing isn't for me. Just ask your x wifek:
Trust me there is nothing sexy about a dead person, I only did the funeral home thing for 3 or 4 years, I have health issues and could no longer work in the gold mines or in my profession ( heavy equipment mechanic or mining equipment mechanic ).
I didn't even apply for the job, I was pouring concrete at the funeral home ,
I just was finishing up and their was going to be a service in a bout 1.5 hours when a semi plowed through a construction zone on the free way and destroyed have dozen cars and SUV's about 60 miles out of town.
I was asked to go home and change cloths and go pick these people up.
I told the director that I didn't know if I could do this kind of stuff, I vomit cleaning a deer .
After that I become a driver taking bodies all over the country and even a couple out of the country.
It was great, At the end of the day if had a lay over in Vegas or LA I would swing into a pool hall a shoot pool.
As long as I could keep a eye out that no one steals the van I was good to go.
I don't know how it would effect my job if a lost a few people , But the brite side of things they couldn't of paid me any less:thumbup:
After I would get my friends loaded on a jet headed off toward Mexico or some country in South America If I wasn't needed back in Nevada I would take the Hi way 101 up to Northern California stopping off shooting at friends houses or hitting the pool halls .
It was like a mini vacation and I was on the clock.
One of our AZB members who now lives in Salinas CA gave me this nick name.
Any way the dead lay thing isn't for me. Just ask your x wife
k:
Great question,,,mainly because I don't think there's an answer - this could lead to endless discussions and arguing LOL.
Anecdotally, I used to own a couple of cues(different occasions) of a really really really well known cuemaker. Both dead hits. I just thought that's the way cues should play until someone said the cues were dead. Could it have been the shaft wood? This cuemaker is known for his woods.
Since cues are made from live things, then a dead thing gives a dead hit. Go to any poolroom and all the house cues play differently, and they are all 100% wood no metal no joint..
Anecdotally, I used to own a couple of cues(different occasions) of a really really really well known cuemaker. Both dead hits. I just thought that's the way cues should play until someone said the cues were dead. Could it have been the shaft wood? This cuemaker is known for his woods.
Since cues are made from live things, then a dead thing gives a dead hit. Go to any poolroom and all the house cues play differently, and they are all 100% wood no metal no joint..
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I can be a combination of things .
Bad wood or bad construction ( loose parts, over drilled holes, too much gaps between mating surfaces/not dead square ).
This assuming the the tip and ferrule are good.
One area where a lot of cue factories skimp on is quality handle stock.
A really cheap handle wood will likely kill the hit .
When I see a burl wood handled cue, I see a dead hitting cue unless cored with a real dense wood ( denser than maple ).
Bad wood or bad construction ( loose parts, over drilled holes, too much gaps between mating surfaces/not dead square ).
This assuming the the tip and ferrule are good.
One area where a lot of cue factories skimp on is quality handle stock.
A really cheap handle wood will likely kill the hit .
When I see a burl wood handled cue, I see a dead hitting cue unless cored with a real dense wood ( denser than maple ).
I agree, hollow and dead are LD shaft properties.
Still not true. Bob Meucci came out with LD shafts many, many, years ago and were always characterized as springy, or whippy. Never dead.
Dead hits are usually from bad tips, or poor joint material selection. :smile:
I guess I am a little confused on dead.
Some started on the back of the cue, but IMO, I think it starts at the tip, ferrelle, shaft (wood and taper both), and then joint.
I think the butt of the cue has VERY little to do with the hit.
Shaft taper, and the quality of wood, IMO, is huge.
I have had a local starting cuemaker make me a cue and if I wasn't "WOWED" but the hit or playability of the cue, I sent it to Rick Howard for him to re-taper the shaft to his taper, which I think is excellent. It costs like $20 for him to re-taper a shaft and I have had excellent results.
Just my way, your mileage may vary.
I wish you all the best of rolls,
Ken
Some started on the back of the cue, but IMO, I think it starts at the tip, ferrelle, shaft (wood and taper both), and then joint.
I think the butt of the cue has VERY little to do with the hit.
Shaft taper, and the quality of wood, IMO, is huge.
I have had a local starting cuemaker make me a cue and if I wasn't "WOWED" but the hit or playability of the cue, I sent it to Rick Howard for him to re-taper the shaft to his taper, which I think is excellent. It costs like $20 for him to re-taper a shaft and I have had excellent results.
Just my way, your mileage may vary.
I wish you all the best of rolls,
Ken
I rarely pipe in, but I completely agree that LD shafts feel hollow and dead. 13mm maple with a Triangle or LePro tip never feels dead. Jack