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Luck1st

Luck1st

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During my match last night, I was lining up a shot to see if the 8 ball went in the side past a ball.
I decided to mark the 8 in the corner instead.
I got down to shoot my shot, the other player was trying to get my attention mid stroke, (by calling my name) but I couldn't hold back from shooting and missed.
He felt bad and explained that he thought I didn't mark the pocket, he assumed I was shooting it in the side still. But at the last second after he yelled my name he realized that I had marked the corner.

We were unsure of what to do.

What is the correct thing to do?
 
He shouldn't be trying to stop you so...

I'd say foul on him. Since there are no do-overs in pool , I'd say ball in hand for you. He has no business interrupting you, even if he is trying to be helpful.

I get that it's league play, I would think marking the pocket would take care of this happening. You shouldn't be penalized for his overinvolvement.

So what did you do about it then?
 
IMO you got unintentionally sharked. Happens more intentionally than unintentionally, but there are no written rules on it. The closest rule would be unsportsmanlike conduct, and I don't think that fits here.

So my solution would be to finish out the game. You missed. His shot.
 
Eh, it happens.

You can either have people that'll call you a @#%*&@#%( for not saying anything or you'll have people call you a @%#*Y@#$% for saying something. Screw it.

My own thought is that you shouldn't have an excuse. If you missed, you missed. Otherwise, you've got to learn to block out any distractions and deal with them after your shot or learn to restart your shot if you are able.
 
... Since there are no do-overs in pool ...
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There are do-overs in pool. If a hanger drops by itself and has an effect on the shot, the shot is set back up and replayed. If someone bumps the player during the shot, the shot is replayed.

In the particular case in the OP, I'd call unsportsmanlike conduct on the shouter and give ball in hand to the shooter.
 
Bob Jewett said:
There are do-overs in pool. If a hanger drops by itself and has an effect on the shot, the shot is set back up and replayed. If someone bumps the player during the shot, the shot is replayed.

In the particular case in the OP, I'd call unsportsmanlike conduct on the shouter and give ball in hand to the shooter.
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Wow. Rough justice from Bob. From the OP, it sounded like even he felt the guy had good intentions with his efforts. And it was just league night. I guess some take league more seriously than I do.
 
Diamond69 said:
Wow. Rough justice from Bob. From the OP, it sounded like even he felt the guy had good intentions with his efforts. And it was just league night. I guess some take league more seriously than I do.
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The road to Hell is paved with good intention!

The yeller was incorrect, in that the pocket had been marked.
 
It's basically up to the shooter whether to raise a stink and TRY to get ball in hand.
TRY is the operative word, someone else will determine whether he's successful or not.
There's no league or tournament where the shooter can just grab the cue ball and say
"sharking foul, ball in hand for me, redo on the 8 ball."

My criteria for deciding whether or not to raise a stink is to decide whether the other guy
seemed like he was just trying some sleazy shark tactic, or honestly thought I hadn't marked the pocket.
If it's the latter, he's actually showing good sportsmanship. He could allow someone to shoot
at an unmarked pocket, then say "Sorry man, you didn't mark it. I win."

I would not penalize an honest mistake, and good sportsmanship,
by trying to find a TD and get a foul called on the sitting player.
That just strikes me as extremely nitty.
 
For just a regular ole league night, let it go, because the bottom line is that you should have stopped your shot and reset. If it was a very important match where that 8 ball was crucial I would definitely make a stink about it. The thing about that situation is that if your opponent, the one who shouted, disagreed with you and wouldn't let you have ball in hand, it would be considered a dispute which can't be resolved meaning you replay the rack.
 
How's that song go ... A smile is just a frown turned upside down. Who knows, he may have appeared to be yelling out your name with good intentions, but there still lies the possibility that wasn't his intention.

Your pocket was marked, you'd think that was good enough. I agree completely with Bob.

Nobody misses a shot by half a table and makes the shot unless the balls are flying around the table. If your ball went into the side cleanly, then your opponents thought was correct. At that point he could have said, yeah I know you were shooting it there, no problem. That would have been sportsmanship.

On the other hand, if it went into the corner, it was marked as such. No need to interrupt your concentration.
 
I just re-read the OP statement and read it wrong the first time around.
The shooter is totally in the right and should be awarded the game.
Even though his opponent was trying to do the right thing,yelling
to the shooter while its not your turn is a foul.Just sit and be quiet till
its your turn.
 
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Guy should definitely offer to give you ball in hand. You should either decline or accept based on whether or not you think he actually affected you.
 
I let him decide, he chose for the game to be re-racked.
It didn't matter to me either way.
 
nahog99 said:
For just a regular ole league night, let it go, because the bottom line is that you should have stopped your shot and reset. If it was a very important match where that 8 ball was crucial I would definitely make a stink about it. The thing about that situation is that if your opponent, the one who shouted, disagreed with you and wouldn't let you have ball in hand, it would be considered a dispute which can't be resolved meaning you replay the rack.
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I agree with this!
 
Did we miss the part where he was mid-stroke? If he was mid-stroke delivering his final stroke, the human body can't just stand up at the last second while your opponent is yelling at you.

So in this scenario, shouldn't the opponent concede immediately?
 
League? You mean APA? Full of cheats and drunks? The fact that you posted on this forum means you take the game at least a little seriously. Find another league to play in, would be my advice. You marked your intended pocket after you changed your mind. Didn't he see you do that? And if he didn't, isn't that the purpose of you marking your pocket?
 
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