There's no way on earth Efren Reyes could hold Sigel at 6 while going to 10 in one pocket. Let's not forget Sigel won several MAJOR one pocket tournaments in the early 90s. Sigel knows how to play one pocket -- and he knows how to run balls. Now I could agree with 10-7 or 12-8. But 10-6 is ludicrous.
What would be a good spot? Efren v Sigel
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cuesrus said:
20 years!
If Efren wore a "girl's" dress, Mike wouldn't make a ball. LOL
3 games to 11 should do it.
3 games to 11 should do it.
really???
Efren is more than welcome to give Corey the 7 ball. I am going to be at the IPT if anyone is serious and would like to put Efren up in this game.Southpaw said:
billychips said:
What is the 7 really worth at this level? I know it's still significant, but not like "B player giving a C player the 7" significant. Also, are these balls usually "wild" or "called" at this level? I personally hate giving up wild balls, and will usually give up the called 7 before the wild 8.
Mike vs Efren
John,
If you had to bet your life on Mike or Efren, even up 8 ball and 9 ball. I think the majority of professional pool players would bet on Efren. During that IPT telecast, almost all the pros interviewed ( except Johnny A and Loree Jon ), were picking Efren.
I tend to think that Mike has been out of competition for too long to have a chance. Pete Sampras could not play against Roger Federer. Present day Pete was a great player ( maybe the best ) but he couldn't beat a champion like Roger who is still out there competing at a high level.
IMO
Rob
john schmidt said:
John,
If you had to bet your life on Mike or Efren, even up 8 ball and 9 ball. I think the majority of professional pool players would bet on Efren. During that IPT telecast, almost all the pros interviewed ( except Johnny A and Loree Jon ), were picking Efren.
I tend to think that Mike has been out of competition for too long to have a chance. Pete Sampras could not play against Roger Federer. Present day Pete was a great player ( maybe the best ) but he couldn't beat a champion like Roger who is still out there competing at a high level.
IMO
Rob
There is no way Efren is going to give up ANY weight to Corey on 9-ball.billychips said:
Back in his prime 9-ball days in the mid 90's, Efren offered anyone at HT the 7-ball if Bustamante broke for him.
Nobody took it. Not Archer, Varner or Davenport.
But, that was during Efren's best days playing 9-ball.
the AGE factor?
Those were my thoughts too, upon first reading the posts.....But realistically, if Sigel were to practice and compete against today's pros for a year or so, could he get back to where he once was? Is age a big factor in diminishing your pool playing ability as in other sports? Obviously, the eyesight is a big factor...but I do recall some of the old timers still being able to play at a high level in the past...such as Lassiter, for example....other factors might be the mental aspect....maybe after so many years, you just aren't as hungry or the desire isn't there anymore? Anyway, I believe Sigel deserves more respect than what has been shown here, but I suspect most of these posters didn't see Sigel in his prime...
uwate said:
Those were my thoughts too, upon first reading the posts.....But realistically, if Sigel were to practice and compete against today's pros for a year or so, could he get back to where he once was? Is age a big factor in diminishing your pool playing ability as in other sports? Obviously, the eyesight is a big factor...but I do recall some of the old timers still being able to play at a high level in the past...such as Lassiter, for example....other factors might be the mental aspect....maybe after so many years, you just aren't as hungry or the desire isn't there anymore? Anyway, I believe Sigel deserves more respect than what has been shown here, but I suspect most of these posters didn't see Sigel in his prime...
wahcheck said:
Well, in terms of the original question in this thread, Sigel vs. Reyes, I would say the age factor isn't much of a factor since they're only a year apart in age. Sigel was born in '53, and Efren in August '54. So for anyone thinking Sigel's gotten too old to play at the top, just look at Efren.
Now that doesn't invalidate the position that Sigel was retired from competition for too long; just the position that he's too old.
-Andrew
cuesrus said:
I have to say that is somewhat of a false analogy there. You have to admit that pool isn't anywhere as near physically demanding as tennis. Tennis players are considered old when they hit 30 and ancient when they're 35. Sampras would have a hard time competing against Federer because of age just like how Agassi got spanked by Nadal. Pool on the other hand isn't affected by age until the players are much much older. Case in point is Efren himself still competing and winning against players much younger. Personally I still think Sigel has the stuff, but how are his dedication and desire. That probably hurts older pool players more than diminishing physical skills.
If you were to take a combination like that and put it all in one man you would have some super freak player who would probably win 5 US Open Titles, 6 World Championships and a Thousand other Championships. Oh I'm sorry we already have that guy and we call him Earl.Aaron_S said:
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i agree
I completely agree with you that Efren wouldnt give Corey any weight. However, one pocket would be a totally different story. I don't think a lot of people realize how great he (Efren) really plays that game.
JoeyInCali said:
I completely agree with you that Efren wouldnt give Corey any weight. However, one pocket would be a totally different story. I don't think a lot of people realize how great he (Efren) really plays that game.
yep
Corey doesnt play too bad himself. Just ask Scott Frost!Ktown D said:
What I find interesting about this post, and mind you I have not yet read ANY of the other posts, but this reminds me of when I was a kid and I said to a friend of mine, "who do think would win"? Captain America against the Green Lantern, now we didn't take age age into the picture. cklecuesrus said:How much weight would Efren have to give Sigel?
In 8 ball and in 9 ball?
I think 3 games on the wire in 8 ball.
The 8 in 9 ball.
Sound fair
What do you guys think?
The way the IPT makes it sound - Efren needs the spot!
Pretty unbiased opinions by the IPT announcers
I guess it makes for good TV- kind of like the WWF (please no...)
Rob
analogy spot on
Being a tennis pro myself and knowing that Pete still plays really good and for one match could beat most top 100 players, my analogy had nothing to do with the physical aspect!
It is the lack of competition that hurts retired or out of action players. Agassi did not get spanked by Nadal, he should have won the first set. He choked in the tiebreaker- again he hasn't been playing a full schedule and is not tournament tough. That is why he lost, anyone who knows tennis had Agassi as a favorite against Nadal on grass( if he had been playing) but back to my main point- Sigel has been away from the game and serious competition for too long. He had no shot against Efren. If you were at that tournament you would have had all the action that you wanted if you wanted to bet on Sigel. IMO of course
Rob
StraightPoolIU said:
Being a tennis pro myself and knowing that Pete still plays really good and for one match could beat most top 100 players, my analogy had nothing to do with the physical aspect!
It is the lack of competition that hurts retired or out of action players. Agassi did not get spanked by Nadal, he should have won the first set. He choked in the tiebreaker- again he hasn't been playing a full schedule and is not tournament tough. That is why he lost, anyone who knows tennis had Agassi as a favorite against Nadal on grass( if he had been playing) but back to my main point- Sigel has been away from the game and serious competition for too long. He had no shot against Efren. If you were at that tournament you would have had all the action that you wanted if you wanted to bet on Sigel. IMO of course
Rob