What Would You Damn Do Here?

Considering its hill hill i would have tried to cut the two. I would do this because if you tried to play safe coming off the left side of the two ball, you could have left an open shot if you hit it too hard. Thats a tough decision either way you look at it.
 
Black-Balled said:
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What Would You Damn Do Here?

I am playing McCreesh in tourney over weekend, he wins the first 2 in about 10 sec, but I stay in it and we go hill-hill with me breaking.

Here is the first shot after the break:

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if ur good enough to go hill hill with that guy....id say go for the shot...over cut it a lil bit if anything
 
Looks like the 8 ball had some bridge interference if so, this would definitely affect my shot selection.
 
Black-Balled said:
You can say that again!

You be one stroke but 2 post
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sorry about that I was driving while posting thought I deleted first post


well I have to say it would have been tough for me to not take a swing at it with my one stroke good or bad, but thats part of the reason I lose some matches that I could have won and thats what seperates the good players from the bad



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Mr. Balled,

I'm a coward at heart, so I may have cut the 2 to bank one rail towards the 8 ball and have the cue ball go 2 rails toward the 9 & 3. You would have a pretty good chance at the hook and if not, there would be a difficult shot on the 2 since the 8 would block the corner pocket. But you must get the 2 ball passed the side or you're cooked. (sorry if this was already mentioned as an option).

But again, maybe thsi is why I suck at 9-ball :)

Sounds like you played a great set.

Dave
 
Neil said:
You cut the 2 in. You have an open shot at it, with natural position to the 3, just have to control the speed. These are must make shots when playing at the higher levels. And, with 15 min. practice on them, you will find that they really aren't that hard at all. You just aren't used to shooting them.

You have a good opportunity to keep your opponent in his chair. Why try a safe and let him back to the table??
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I'm with you on this. The 2 can be cut with center at pocket speed and that in turn leaves nice shape on the three in the side, from the three shape on the five is easy-- and from there the out is easy. Good call Neil!:thumbup2:
 
When my anger at pool subsides I am gonna try the shots at home. I shall report my results.

My thoughts now:
1. I am not sold on the cut. That's a tuff shot.
2. I probably should have used the push option.
3. I also like crossing the face of the 2 with inside, banking it to opposite end rail and leaving CB on the end where 2 came from.
4. I just knew I was gonna make the 9 on my shot. Disappointment results.
 
Black-Balled said:
When my anger at pool subsides I am gonna try the shots at home. I shall report my results.

My thoughts now:
1. I am not sold on the cut. That's a tuff shot.
2. I probably should have used the push option.
3. I also like crossing the face of the 2 with inside, banking it to opposite end rail and leaving CB on the end where 2 came from.
4. I just knew I was gonna make the 9 on my shot. Disappointment results.
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The cut IS definitely a tough shot, but you have just as good a chance of getting safe as if you play safe, imo. I would like to hear how your experiment goes, BUT...

I (almost) never, ever, ever push out when I can see the lowest ball. I don't like the push, and I think Pat Fleming concluded over several tournaments that the player who pushes out loses 60% of those games...I don't like those odds.
 
Black-Balled said:
When my anger at pool subsides I am gonna try the shots at home. I shall report my results.

My thoughts now:
1. I am not sold on the cut. That's a tuff shot.
2. I probably should have used the push option.
3. I also like crossing the face of the 2 with inside, banking it to opposite end rail and leaving CB on the end where 2 came from.
4. I just knew I was gonna make the 9 on my shot. Disappointment results.
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Remember, parpsychology is for loussahs.

At least I appreciate where you left the cue ball when you tried the bank onto the 9 ball. (I don't think you are going to have good results with number 3.)
I kind of likeIsland Drives thought but I would do the two for one special, trying to make it and hope that if you don't make it you will leave opponent safe.

I do notice most professional players will jump all over a push out unless they are almost guaranteed to scratch...Pushout to where they risk 50/50 of giving you decent shot even if they play safe.

The safest bet is the weak safety I suggested earlier. You might get lucky and hide behind the 9 or the three ball. Shoot if you're trying to hook onto a lucky star, the object ball might wind up behind the 6 ball by the side pocket waiting for a kick and a scratch from your opponent.
 
was this on a gold crown or Dimond , I know they have both ,

I hate to go down looking at a 3rd strike ,
I once had mike davis down 6-2 after winning 5 racks in a row , on the hill I break get to a diffucult shot on the 5 but have a decent safe so I play safe he one rail kicks the 5 ,,3ball combanation to the other end of the table and that was all she wrote lose 7-6 ,, that was 7yrs ago and I still kick my self in the head beacuse those chances dont come my way much, I am swinging next time no doubt



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I would do something simple like thinning the 2 and bringing the cue ball back down table.
 
one stroke said:
was this on a gold crown or Dimond , I know they have both ,

I hate to go down looking at a 3rd strike ,
I once had mike davis down 6-2 after winning 5 racks in a row , on the hill I break get to a diffucult shot on the 5 but have a decent safe so I play safe he one rail kicks the 5 ,,3ball combanation to the other end of the table and that was all she wrote lose 7-6 ,, that was 7yrs ago and I still kick my self in the head beacuse those chances dont come my way much, I am swinging next time no doubt



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You bring up a funny memory from a match I had with Scotty Townsend several years ago. I was faced with a tough shot on the money ball and I chose to play a weak safety because that's all I could come with at the time. After the match I asked Scotty if I did the right thing and he said, "Let me ask you this, who do you want shooting at the money ball, me or you?" :D
 
Black-Balled said:
When my anger at pool subsides I am gonna try the shots at home. I shall report my results.

My thoughts now:
1. I am not sold on the cut. That's a tuff shot.
2. I probably should have used the push option.
3. I also like crossing the face of the 2 with inside, banking it to opposite end rail and leaving CB on the end where 2 came from.
4. I just knew I was gonna make the 9 on my shot. Disappointment results.
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Providing I see the table correctly, I like your third option or the two rail safe.
 
Jason Koopman said:
Providing I see the table correctly, I like your third option or the two rail safe.
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That's my choice also. The inside english will put some left on the two ball to insure that it stays to the center of the short rail at the other end of the table. Meanwhile the right english will take the cue ball tight to the short rail. In this instance I would rather sacrifice the hook for the distance.

Leave some distance where the option for a safe is even harder to do. Most of the the other options here are too touchy to execute and most leave an easy kick or an easy shot if the hook is not there.

Leaving the distance is more likely to get you a better opportunity for a good shot to win. If they are going to win from there then they will have to earn it.
 
dabarbr said:
That's my choice also. The inside english will put some left on the two ball to insure that it stays to the center of the short rail at the other end of the table. Meanwhile the right english will take the cue ball tight to the short rail. In this instance I would rather sacrifice the hook for the distance.

Leave some distance where the option for a safe is even harder to do. Most of the the other options here are too touchy to execute and most leave an easy kick or an easy shot if the hook is not there.

Leaving the distance is more likely to get you a better opportunity for a good shot to win. If they are going to win from there then they will have to earn it.
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I'm pretty good with inside english and I'm curious to see the success Black-balled has with option 3. I drew TWO practical locations where the cue ball might come to rest. These two locations are good locations without a bunch of luck (coming to rest next to one of the object balls). They aren't the worst locations that the cue ball could come to rest and there are far more worse places the cue ball could wind up at.

The WEI diagram shows some of the danger zones for the object ball with the cue balls in their respective relatively good locations. This is with controlling the object ball with the best hit in mind, straight up and down the table. There are many things that can go wrong with this shot. While I don't doubt that if you get dialed in any one of us could make a good or at leastdecent safety with going two rails with the cue ball and one rail with the two ball. Unfortunately, you can't dial in on these shots in a game.

I think I would struggle to make a perfect safety out of this shot (Item #3).

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The nine and 3 or right behind one another and don't really provide a lot of cover.
 
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Trying to ride the nine in this situation I think is the lower percentage shot.

If you were stoking well and feeling good I would recommend going offensive by cutting two ball into corner and playing speed for the three and so on...

If your having trouble visuallizing the 2-ball cut shot then the safety that Jay Helfert recommended.

This weekend I watched Karen Corr lose to Archer. She was up 8-7 and she tried to ride the 9 accouple of times. She ended up losing the match.

Percentages come into play in this game just like they do in any sport/game. Unfortunately, you found that out but I am sure you already knew this.

On the other hand Sometimes you just got to swing for the fences!!!! Thank you for posting I enjoyed this thread.
 
kick

kick behind the 2 and send it almost straight down the table to the end rail. Cue ball will basically stop leaving a full lenght bank, and a good chance of hiding and making him kick at the 2. Being a 1 pocket player this shot is no trouble for me to control the speed.
 
Think Jay's right, thinning the right side of the two with quite a bit of outside is my favorite option here, have to have it this shot some before though to have the feel for it.
 
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