Whats happening with the WPBA Tour?

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

Burn all jump cues
Silver Member
Whats going on with the WPBA. Lady left after many years that seemed to do a good job. WPBA looking for operations/administation and a business developer and PR person. I thought Linda Chen was going to handle a lot of that. Buzz is that Deno is being considered for one of the jobs.

2008 schededule not out yet. Regional tours can?t post theirs until the WPBA posts theirs. Buzz is they only have six tour dates for 2008. Some players are very unhappy with the backward ways the tour seems to be going. A lot more of the players are playing in open tournaments now than ever before(most not sanctioned by the WPBA). I hope they can pull everything back together again. The WPBA was a model for the way national tours needed to be run. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
Whats going on with the WPBA. Lady left after many years that seemed to do a good job. WPBA looking for operations/administation and a business developer and PR person. I thought Linda Chen was going to handle a lot of that. Buzz is that Deno is being considered for one of the jobs.

2008 schededule not out yet. Regional tours can?t post theirs until the WPBA posts theirs. Buzz is they only have six tour dates for 2008. Some players are very unhappy with the backward ways the tour seems to be going. A lot more of the players are playing in open tournaments now than ever before(most not sanctioned by the WPBA). I hope they can pull everything back together again. The WPBA was a model for the way national tours needed to be run. Johnnyt
Click to expand...

They appeared better off than they were due to one major sponsor which enabled them to put themselves on TV. That and a $500 entrancee fee that fell on the backs of the ever refreshening 'seeking the glory crowd' but with no real chance. I give them credit for keeping it afloat so far and It is my opinion that all will be well soon, either the return of PL Productions or a White/Red Night is my guess. Miss Chen has been a disappointment to say the least.
 
Last edited:
They are going through problems, none of which will be made better if they hire Mr. Andrews.

Will they be better off without PL Productions? Doubtful. They need that leadership.

The WPBA needs that leadership and the people that have established relationships with the current venues. The current WPBA Board has made some very regrettable errors in judgment, but Monday Morning Quarterbacking their decisions won't solve the current problems. The decisions were made by those that were entrusted in those positions, and none of the decisons were easy.

All tours go through changes, growing pains, periods where things look grim - and that is what the WPBA is experiencing to some degree at this moment. The decisions that were made by the board have always been made in the best interests of the tour and the players - although in this case the decisions may appear as if they were clearly thought out, the board needed to make a decision - and IMO no decision they would have made would have benefited PL in that situation - but remember - someone had to make those decisions and live with the consequences. No matter who was in that position - those decisons had to be made.

I hope that they become stronger as a result of this situation. It is a learning experience for everybody involved.
 
Last edited:
all of the above posts sound like they came from politicians seeking office.

so, if i may ask, what are the problems facing the WPBA? why are the girls unhappy? why isnt the 2008 schedule out? what decisions were made that didnt turn out so well? what were the regrettable errors in judgement? what is the "Backwards Way" that is referred to?

DCP
 
Last edited:
DrCue'sProtege said:
all of the above posts sound like they came from politicians seeking office.

DCP
Click to expand...

:rolleyes:

Whatever you say, Mike.

Don_t_be_an_asshat__by_robert.jpg
 
Blackjack said:
Whatever you say, Mike.
Click to expand...

whats the deal with that comment? all i asked for was some specifics. the posts in front of mine talked about problems and decisions. but nobody gave specifics. all i was asking was for those specifics to be mentioned.

DCP
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
so, if i may ask, what are the problems facing the WPBA? why are the girls unhappy? why isnt the 2008 schedule out? what decisions were made that didnt turn out so well? what were the regrettable errors in judgement? what is the "Backwards Way" that is referred to?

DCP
Click to expand...


I haven't been following the WPBA that closely this year so I too am interested in knowing what problems are facing the WPBA. I do read Billiards Digest every month and I don't recall Billiards Digest mentioning any problems within the WPBA.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
whats the deal with that comment? all i asked for was some specifics. the posts in front of mine talked about problems and decisions. but nobody gave specifics. all i was asking was for those specifics to be mentioned.

DCP
Click to expand...

First of all, I'm not a polictician.

Second of all, if you call me a politician or infer that I am acting or sounding like one, you're way off base and run the risk of having me fire back. That's life. I think the picture was an appropriate response to your "politician" comment. I don't believe that I am the first person here to declare you an asshat, and I'm not above using the term on Christmas day.

Third, the specifics can only be addressed by the direct parties involved in this matter. It would not be appropriate for myself or anybody else to comment on "the specifics" because in all honesty we are on the outside looking in - that is why everything is being discussed in general terms. Even if I had "inside" or "specific" info, I would not discuss it here.
 
WPBA Calendar

I can help a little bit... the WPBA has sent their 2008 calendar to the Regional women's tours... so they do have dates/events already for 2008:


Odawa Casino, Petoskey, MI, March 12-26
Viejas Casino, Alpine, CA, April 9-13*
Blue Chip Casino, Michigan City, IN, June 25-29
Riverwind Casino - Chickisaw, Norman, OK, July 30-Aug 3
America Tobacco Historic District, Durham, NC, Sept. 10-14
Chinook Winds Casino, Lincoln City, OR, Oct. 1-5*
Hard Rock - Seminole Sports Mgt, Hollywood, FL, Nov. 5-9*

*waiting on signed contracts, but most likely firm
 
AzHousePro said:
But this was not a WPBA decision. It was a BCA decision.

Mike
Click to expand...

Ahhhhhhh, yes. And who says the BCA is helping bring about the downfall of the game, or at the very least, not doing as much as it could be doing?

Oh wait.... That's me.... (sheepish grin)

Russ
 
Melinda said:
I can help a little bit... the WPBA has sent their 2008 calendar to the Regional women's tours... so they do have dates/events already for 2008:


Odawa Casino, Petoskey, MI, March 12-26
Viejas Casino, Alpine, CA, April 9-13*
Blue Chip Casino, Michigan City, IN, June 25-29
Riverwind Casino - Chickisaw, Norman, OK, July 30-Aug 3
America Tobacco Historic District, Durham, NC, Sept. 10-14
Chinook Winds Casino, Lincoln City, OR, Oct. 1-5*
Hard Rock - Seminole Sports Mgt, Hollywood, FL, Nov. 5-9*

*waiting on signed contracts, but most likely firm
Click to expand...

Thank you Melinda. From the first week in Nov 2007 to the 3rd week in March 2008 is a long dry spell for the women pros. Johnnyt
 
Blackjack said:
First of all, I'm not a polictician.

It would not be appropriate for myself or anybody else to comment on "the specifics" because in all honesty we are on the outside looking in - that is why everything is being discussed in general terms. Even if I had "inside" or "specific" info, I would not discuss it here.
Click to expand...

Respectfully, I disagree. You felt it appropriate to slam the WPBA board suggesting that they had made some "regrettable decisions."

Having leveled that accusation, it seems to me that you should be willing to state what those decisions were.

Regards,
Jim
 
av84fun said:
Respectfully, I disagree. You felt it appropriate to slam the WPBA board suggesting that they had made some "regrettable decisions."

Having leveled that accusation, it seems to me that you should be willing to state what those decisions were.

Regards,
Jim
Click to expand...


Jim

I never slammed anybody. The decisions needed to be made and they have resulted in some very difficult consequences. That makes them "regrettable". "Regrettable" in this situation means that the WPBA and its Board would rather have had a different outcome. There is no accusation by me at all - although that was nice attempt to stir up some $hit. I figured that I'd give you the customary pat on the back for this post as you seem to be nipping at my ass on more than one forum.

The specifics that relate to those decisions have been well documented here and on the other forums and their websites.

I figure that if someone really wanted to know the specifics of this situation, wisdom would point them in the direction of using the search feature to get their information instead of trying to troll the thread.
 
As a current member of the Board of Directors for the WPBA, I'd like to make a few comments that might clear up any questions/rumors.

First, it is true that PL Promotions has resigned their position with the WPBA. This was not a decision made by the WPBA...it is a decision made by PL Promotions for their own reasons. This is an obstacle for the WPBA to overcome....but nothing disastrous by any means. Employees come and go in every organization in existence...it's how business works. Peg and Jay will be missed...but the WPBA will go on.

Second, the WPBA has a full schedule for next year, contrary to rumors. Thank you Melinda for posting it. And the cancellation of the pro event in Vegas was not a WPBA decision...it was a BCA decision. There will still be an event....it will just be in Charlotte this year instead of Vegas. And as for the schedule (the long break between tournaments referred to by johnnyt)...that is par for the course. We normally have 3-4 months off over the winter season. Nothing unusual about it.

The phrase "regrettable decisions" is a regrettable choice of words in my opinion. No offense David...but that statement really rubs me the wrong way. As a board member, I don't regret any decisions that we have made. We have a tough job, and sometimes it looks like we make questionable choices to those who don't have all the info. Our job is only made more difficult when people who do not have all the facts get out there and share the limited info they have as gospel. Yes, some of you know players who have shared info with you. But unless that player is a member of the current board or PL Promotions....they do not have a full story. They have their versions. I'm not criticizing anyone...I'm just saying that people should be less quick to judge until they have all the info available.

And as for anyone knocking Linda Chen...you just don't know what you are talking about. When things go wrong, people need a scapegoat or a bad guy...and for some reason, she has become that scapegoat. It's ridiculous. She is one of 7 votes....with no more power or influence than any other board member.

Yes, I am sure this post sounds defensive...and it is. Because it is truly unfair for people to make snap judgments and speculative statements based solely on rumors and half-truths.

This is probably the only post that I will write on the subject. I would love to answer direct questions, but the info is not solely mine to share. If there are any constructive or thoughtful questions...I will do my best to answer. I will not entertain any gossipy questions or ones that are designed to stir the pot.

Best Regards and Happy Holidays,

Melissa Herndon
 
Thank you for clearing some things up Milissa. I just wish (like I'm sure you do) that you could get 12 or more tournaments a year so you could ALL make a little money. Happy Holidays to you. Johnnyt
 
As a fan, I'd like to thank Melissa for her post. Sorry I missed the show @ Lincoln City this year, and I hope I can make it in 2008. I wish the tour the best.
 
Johnnyt said:
Thank you for clearing some things up Milissa. I just wish (like I'm sure you do) that you could get 12 or more tournaments a year so you could ALL make a little money. Happy Holidays to you. Johnnyt
Click to expand...

thats a very good comment Johnyt! i wish the WPBA had alot more tournaments during the year. heck, if they went to Michigan City & Peoria, i might even attend both.

hopefully the future will be even brighter for the WPBA.

DCP

p.s. i wonder if they would consider coming to the new casino down in French Lick, Ind?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top