TY...Alan McCarty had Clawson Cues. I knew he was part of it somehow.
Scott Lee
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A certain classic cue maker who is no longer with us unfortunately, used the best old growth maple out there and the number of grains in his shafts was High, as well as the grain lines running straight for the length of the shaft. He said they could warp otherwise.I know very little about LD shafts.
This is what I have heard and i could be wrong.
In the mid 80ees production cue companies just couldnt keep up with the deman of good seasoned solid maple shafts and trying to warranty the shafts that were warping.
One of the production cue companies was going broke and didnt pay their maple shaft wood supplier and they got cut off.
at that time the only maple they could get was low grade so the started to glue it together and turning shafts out.
all the other cue companies having problems with shafts warping jumped on the band wagon and now it is hard to find a 125..00 cue with solid maple shaft.
The other part is i dont think pool players realy know what a art it is to pick and produce shafts that stay straight.
Not wanting to upset anyone but i have had a lot of predator and Muecci shafts chucked up in my lathe And i am not impressed with them.
The g core shafts and other production cue makers with all the resin and epoxy in the shafts in my opinion kills the hit of the shaft and the sound and feed back sucks......
I have heard the new tiger shafts play nice And i have a new kevin varney cue in that has one of his Ld shafts on it.
The kevin Vaney cue plays very nice with a lot of ball control.
In a nut shell I get the impression That the Ld shaft came into existence
because solid maple shafts are to expensive to warranty warpage.
plus the fact the cues you have in stock are warping faster than they can be sold
The out come seems to have its positive side of low deflection hit.
Thus making it possible to get more spin being able to do more with CB control.
Learning how to control all the spin plus deflection is where some pool players do really well with this. And other pool players dont and it makes their game inconsistent.
Not to take pool cues back 40 years but one thing i was taught was keep it simple stupid look for the natural path of the cue ball first.
If some one knows the (truth) about who invented and mass produced the first LD shafts and why Ld shafts were invented I would like to Know.
MMike
Btw... He would toss anything that had less than 10 in the seconds can.A certain classic cue maker who is no longer with us unfortunately, used the best old growth maple out there and the number of grains in his shafts was High, as well as the grain lines running straight for the length of the shaft. He said they could warp otherwise.
I personally have several of his shafts with grain counts over 14 to a high of 20, if my eyes aren't deceiving me. Tight and evenly spaced grain lines. Not these big lines you see on shafts nowadays.
Nothing like the hit and feel of an old growth shaft!!
Sounds as reasonable as anything else I've heard. Thanks for posting!!I know very little about LD shafts.
This is what I have heard and i could be wrong.
In the mid 80ees production cue companies just couldnt keep up with the deman of good seasoned solid maple shafts and trying to warranty the shafts that were warping.
One of the production cue companies was going broke and didnt pay their maple shaft wood supplier and they got cut off.
at that time the only maple they could get was low grade so the started to glue it together and turning shafts out.
all the other cue companies having problems with shafts warping jumped on the band wagon and now it is hard to find a 125..00 cue with solid maple shaft.
The other part is i dont think pool players realy know what a art it is to pick and produce shafts that stay straight.
Not wanting to upset anyone but i have had a lot of predator and Muecci shafts chucked up in my lathe And i am not impressed with them.
The g core shafts and other production cue makers with all the resin and epoxy in the shafts in my opinion kills the hit of the shaft and the sound and feed back sucks......
I have heard the new tiger shafts play nice And i have a new kevin varney cue in that has one of his Ld shafts on it.
The kevin Vaney cue plays very nice with a lot of ball control.
In a nut shell I get the impression That the Ld shaft came into existence
because solid maple shafts are to expensive to warranty warpage.
plus the fact the cues you have in stock are warping faster than they can be sold
The out come seems to have its positive side of low deflection hit.
Thus making it possible to get more spin being able to do more with CB control.
Learning how to control all the spin plus deflection is where some pool players do really well with this. And other pool players dont and it makes their game inconsistent.
Not to take pool cues back 40 years but one thing i was taught was keep it simple stupid look for the natural path of the cue ball first.
If some one knows the (truth) about who invented and mass produced the first LD shafts and why Ld shafts were invented I would like to Know.
MMike
Re. "A certain classic cue maker who is no longer with us unfortunately" Would you mind sharing who this cue maker was? I love my Cog. solid maple shaft. But, I'm always curious. Thanks.A certain classic cue maker who is no longer with us unfortunately, used the best old growth maple out there and the number of grains in his shafts was High, as well as the grain lines running straight for the length of the shaft. He said they could warp otherwise.
I personally have several of his shafts with grain counts over 14 to a high of 20, if my eyes aren't deceiving me. Tight and evenly spaced grain lines. Not these big lines you see on shafts nowadays.
Nothing like the hit and feel of an old growth shaft!!
Old thread, so it might bear repeating. Laminated Predators are LD because they're hollow at the tip (low end mass), not because they're laminated.Laminated shafts have nothing to do with being low deflection. It's just glued together wood. End mass affects deflection properties.
I know very little about LD shafts.
The other part is i dont think pool players realy know what a art it is to pick and produce shafts that stay straight.
Lots of bogosity in this thread but also some good stuff. Keep the wheat and discard the chaff.I know this post is 15 some years old… the first post sounds like the biggest wive’s tale I’ve ever heard.
Nothing personal, but I'd rather not. His cues are in high demand as is.Re. "A certain classic cue maker who is no longer with us unfortunately" Would you mind sharing who this cue maker was? I love my Cog. solid maple shaft. But, I'm always curious. Thanks.
Can't help but notice your account name.its all about aging the wood the doles should be aged in a consistent atmosphere for some time to make sure humidity has expired. solid wood or lamenated it makes no difference. an art itself knowing when to turn down a shaft.
Good luck on the hole itself as long as drill bits are sold.Old thread, so it might bear repeating. Laminated Predators are LD because they're hollow at the tip (low end mass), not because they're laminated.
pj <- they have a patent on the hole
chgo
Doesn't this forum allow "private" messages? Thanks.Nothing personal, but I'd rather not. His cues are in high demand as is.
I don't want to be the guy that inadvertently made them even more expensive. Lol.
Let's just say, you'll know 'em when you see 'em!!
There's a father and son company down here in Central Pennsylvania that restore old pool tables and also do mechanical work on bar tables. They had an old Brunswick Hoppe in their cue case that has seen better days (packing tape wrapped on the forearm to keep the points in) that the sold me for $50. I took it to the pool room just on a laugh and came away stunned at how straight it was and how solid the hit was, as firm as my Drexler if not more. I thought for sure it would have a ping or clink or click or clank. Nothing.Interesting but most P shafts from the mid 60s and 70s stayed fairly straight even to this day. I rarely encounter an older Palmer shaft that is very warped- Mostly just minor acceptable taper rolls from what I have seen.