Who is to blame for Team USA loss in Mosconi Cup 2014?

Who is to blame for Team USA loss in Mosconi Cup 2014?

  • Team USA

    Votes: 52 34.2%
  • Shane

    Votes: 15 9.9%
  • Corey Deuel

    Votes: 7 4.6%
  • John Schmidt

    Votes: 15 9.9%
  • Justin Bergman

    Votes: 7 4.6%
  • Justin Hall

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mark Wilson

    Votes: 27 17.8%
  • AZB members

    Votes: 7 4.6%
  • Obama

    Votes: 29 19.1%
  • Others (Please state)

    Votes: 19 12.5%

  • Total voters
    152
Who is to blame for Team USA loss in Mosconi Cup 2014? Please state your reasons
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It was the wrong team to win, simple as that, but many on here have been saying that before the thing started and the betting was Euro with a 3 game favorites.

Although Shane losing both his matches the last of the day was a bit of a shock. I figured he'd as least win one if not both and get them a chance to win.

Euro side was not the best team either and they still won 11-5 (which by the way was exactly what I was thinking would be the likely outcome). I was assuming Mika would be in the team which would be a plus so the US lost by that score without having him there.
 
As this talk about team spirit, team chemistry, and team building is a joke.

Of course the Europeans consistently have better team spirit -- they usually have the better team. Everybody likes to pretend like the European Team gets together throughout the year and practices and goes over strategy and sits around and talks about each others families, and on and on and on.

I think team chemistry is being way overblown in all the Mosconi Cup conversation. What I really think team chemistry is good for is determining whether or not the players have a good time while they are the there. It doesn't put balls in the pockets. Of course last years situation wasn't really about team chemistry. It was more about a few out of control U.S. players that needed to be reigned in. Going back a few years, when the Europeans were on the losing end of things, where was all the talk about team chemistry? Actually, during the really early years of the Cup the Europeans had GREAT team chemistry while going down in defeat.

The Europeans aren't really all that different than the Americans -- they are all just a bunch of mercenaries that come together once a year to participate in a team event. The trouble is -- their mercenaries are better than ours.

It's really that simple.
 
Grow Up

Who is to blame for Team USA loss in Mosconi Cup 2014? Please state your reasons
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The only blame I feel and see is the constant erosion of trust and integrity within our society due to Personal Agenda Congressional Members in Congress. These childish and immature actions have changed the tone and Good character of our country and GREATLY diminished WE THE PEOPLE ''across the board''. Near identical actions within the billiard industry.
 
If we go back to the early years of the Mosconi Cup as well as World Team Billiards, the USA players (as a whole team) have always not performed well. But, in the early years, the rest of the world other than the Philippines sucked ass. The first World Team Billiards event, the USA top Hall of Famers (and candidates) didn't make it out of their North American region. The "Puerto Rican" Team (made up mostly of Contiguous States USA players that have Latin blood-lines) beat Team America (a Dream Team of players).

It's clear that the loose flowing style that has defined American cueing action excels in long races (as people have said) and needs to be good right from the get-go in short races.

Are the Euro players better? In these short races, absolutely. With leaders like Niels, Mika, and Darren who take every shot with full focus and structured skill, they've shown to be consistent out of the gate in every tournament short or long. That type of focus is hard not try not to emulate if they're your teammates.

Are the American players better? Once the flow gets fully rolling, certainly Shane is better than anyone in the field. And Bergman and Hall: I'd take them in long races as well. And that's the trick. These tournaments (and other short format) are prevalent now, so if the American players can't get into fully rolling flow immediately, their games don't seem to be made for the short races. They need to get rolling. It's the sprint vs marathon idea, I guess. Others have said this enough.

Is this a knock on either side? Absolutely not. This format is what it is.

So who is to blame? There's no blame. The Euros have proven to be better at this format. That's not blame; that's truth.
 
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...and another thing...

Everyone that is complaining about the crowd must have been watching a different event than I was because what I saw and heard was a bunch of people having a good time and there was something bubbling right below the surface in that audience -- you could tell they were pulling for the Americans to keep it close.

It was a knowledgeable crowd that applauded ALL the good shots and good outs. Certainly they were having a good time which they should be. Pool is NOT golf and we shouldn't treat it like it is. I think that's a big part of why pool can be so boring to watch on TV.
 
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U.S.A will never be the favorite with all the champions they have to pick from all over Europe, and will probably win only 1 out of 5 if we really did send our best 5 players. I'd rather see no more MC as long as it's all of Europe against the U.S.A. Johnnyt
 
U.S.A will never be the favorite with all the champions they have to pick from all over Europe, and will probably win only 1 out of 5 if we really did send our best 5 players. I'd rather see no more MC as long as it's all of Europe against the U.S.A. Johnnyt

Instead of complaining about playing people from "all over Europe" why not look at how to convert some of the countless active pool players (of which the USA seems to have plenty more than Europe) into top level players?
 
...and another thing...

Everyone that is complaining about the crowd must have been watching a different event than I was because what I saw and heard was a bunch of people having a good time and there was something bubbling right below the surface in that audience -- you could tell they were pulling for the Americans to keep it close.

It was a knowledgeable crowd that applauded ALL the good shots and good outs. Certainly they were having a good time which they should be. Pool is NOT golf and we shouldn't treat it like it is. I think that's big part of why pool can be so boring to watch on TV.

Couldn't agree more! The crowd getting into it, the excitement of the short races where every shot matters are the things that makes the Mosconi cup "must see tv". I could watch this with my non-pool player friends, and be pretty confident that they wouldn't fall asleep. If you want pool on tv, this is the way to go. I would love nothing more than having straight pool be the game of choice, but we must be realistic. Nobody outside the diehards wants to see a guy run 100 balls in a library atmosphere. If you want pool to attract the "sports crowd" you need a sports audience. And this audience was, all things considered, very good. They applauded at appropriate times, even for the away team.
 
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I think the biggest single reason the American side did not do better (or win) is not so much a big-picture issue... rather because of the extraordinarily poor lagging performance.

Consider that the US team went into this as a somewhat overwhelming underdog. Then, add the fact that for each individual match (except 2) they lost the lag and had to sit and wait (and hope) for Team Europe player to miss...

So, European player goes to the table with "favorite to win" attitude, bolstered by the fact that they just won the lag for a short race-to-five match. Double positive psychological boost for European player, double negative psychological speedbump to overcome for the USA player.

No wonder the European team had higher break and runs, they felt like winners from the get-go and never really had that "I've got to come from behind to win this" mentality to overcome.

Don't underestimate the importance of that lag... Had the US team won lags in such a lopsided fashion, these would all be very different conversations.

I will even go so far to say that if the US team had evenly split the lags with Europe, the overall result would have been much more respectable...
 
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Team Europe had better players. Team USA only had a fighting chance because of races to 5. Even if they played in the US they still would have lost. You have to put our best against their best. Since some of our best players apparently have character issues, that is unlikely to happen.
 
I can't point the finger at anyone. I do think the preparation was flawed as was the selection process. The team should in my opinion be practicing on new slick cloth and short race format. Schmidt is a great player but not in his prime due to lack of competition . This choice was out of left field. I also would have bet Corey was going to struggle.
Bergman ,Hall and SVB were good choices in my opinion and will only get better. I think Shane and MD should have been the 1st picked based on their dominance in the game.
I know these talking points are quickly dismissed but damn someone needs to listen to AZ. For the most part the AZ community is very educated when it come to our players and are up to date way more than the people that don't frequent the forums. If it happens in the pool world it's on AZ within minutes. I'm not knocking anyone as I'm sure MW did his best but it doesn't pay to shut out the world and go with your own agenda
 
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John Scmidt. Nice guy but why was he picked.

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I blame the tables.
I don't play straight pool but I'm pretty sure I could run 527 on that thing.
 
Breach

Team Europe had better players. Team USA only had a fighting chance because of races to 5. Even if they played in the US they still would have lost. You have to put our best against their best. Since some of our best players apparently have character issues, that is unlikely to happen.

Our melting pot of players is HUGE and Rory Mueller said our country has approx. 5,000,000 home tables.....and like another post I read about an NFL team that picked players and started off losing, oh yeah one of em on the team as a young man that had and unusual name, Terry Bradshaw, jee wonder who that is :p

Expecting a 14 lb baby to walk the first week just because he's big is ''getting a head of the feet'':p No woman I know of enjoys kids coming out feet first, ya gotta use your head LMAO>
 
I blame the referee for picking up the cue stick that was flung onto the table and preventing a foul that would have turned it all around. Hey, you got to blame someone it couldn't have been our players.
 
I wish the poll had been worded "what is the reason" rather than "who is to blame", but I chose Mark Wilson anyway.

The reason why I chose him is that he is the one who put this team together. The reason why I don't want to "blame" him is because all along he has been saying that he's trying to develop the next generation of players, and not just win the Cup this time around.

Mark is dedicated to the future of pool in this country more than anyone I am aware of. He never promised (nor did he likely expect) a win this year. What he is doing is like a smart farmer plowing his pasture and seeding it with a cover crop for a few years before actually planting a cash crop.

Patience and proper soil preparation is the key to any long-term agricultural operation, and building a pool dynasty is no different. Schmidt and Deuel are part of the preparation for the team of hot young guns he is trying to assemble. Expect next year to find them out of the picture, and to be replaced by Dechaine, Sossei, Shuff, or Woodward.

Let's be patient here. The goal isn't just to win the Cup, it's to keep it. Hopefully, for a long time again.
 
Why has Navy beat Army 12 straight years and 14 out of 15?

Maybe they are a better team, better prepared, more disciplined, or luckier. Who the hell knows. One thing that comes into play however, is Army will take the field thinking we have to win this one. Thinking can get you into a lot of trouble as anyone who plays pool knows, you put a lot of unneeded pressure on yourself.

"Go Navy"
 
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