Who is your "Mentor"?

Milo said:
Well, I am going to be honest with you. I dont agree with you at all.
Everyone is different. Everyone is entitled to make their own decisions and judgements. My decision is, no matter if I start playing better than my mentor or not, they deserve my respect no matter what. Frankly, it doesnt matter who plays better. That attitude is a waste of time, IMO.
Put the ego aside and get some perspective. It is totally irrelevent who plays better. The important thing(perspective), is this person took the time to help you. Having a positive attitude towards the game will get you somewhere in this sport. The negative will get you nowhere.

He told them to not let me play! I didn't say not to let him play! You must be reading it wrong. I play anyone and everyone. Beginners or pro's... doesn't make a difference to me. If you ask around Calgary, I am one of the few better players that will play someone for fun... zip... nil. Even split table time. I love to play pool. I am stating that some people have a problem with losing and don't want to play anymore. Once I ran my first rack I wanted to run every rack... banging them around wasn't my goal, running out was. For my mentor, I don't think he liked losing. He as a better time playing with people he is competitive with.

Your reply doesn't fit me at all. I respect all skill levels. Nothing gets me more pissed than seeing someone that can shoot make fun of beginners or lesser levels. We all start as beginners.
 
I read your words wrong then

Jason Robichaud said:
He told them to not let me play! I didn't say not to let him play! You must be reading it wrong. I play anyone and everyone. Beginners or pro's... doesn't make a difference to me. If you ask around Calgary, I am one of the few better players that will play someone for fun... zip... nil. Even split table time. I love to play pool. I am stating that some people have a problem with losing and don't want to play anymore. Once I ran my first rack I wanted to run every rack... banging them around wasn't my goal, running out was. For my mentor, I don't think he liked losing. He as a better time playing with people he is competitive with.

Your reply doesn't fit me at all. I respect all skill levels. Nothing gets me more pissed than seeing someone that can shoot make fun of beginners or lesser levels. We all start as beginners.


I am glad to hear that from you. Too bad he is not ok with you winning when you guys played against eachother. I have seen that before. When the student improves to a point where he is winning alot of games against the teacher. Most teachers or mentors are cool with it, some are not.

Good Luck with your game
 
Milo said:
I like to give credit where credit is due. Many players have helped me along the way, some I would call a mentor because he/she took the time to care about me and my pool game. Many of us would be nowhere without the wisdom and knowledge of these very giving players who share their information. These are my mentors.
My dad has always been there since the beginning. He helps me with my mental game.(he used to be a competitive golfer)
My BCA teammate, Cindy Doty, has given me her invaluable wisdom. She has taught me to believe in myself.
My scotch partner and teacher, Glen Atwell, has taught me a higher level of play.
My husband is the catalyst behind me. He is my cornerman. I am certainly a very lucky girl!!!!

I would love to hear your story of your mentors??

(I decided to write this thread to support a positive environment on this site) (Hope this helps)



hopefully i don't stray too far from the topic but i never really had a mentor. i think that just like many things in life/job there is no training like on the job training. i watched some "good players" as i grew up but there was no substitute better than nose to the grind stone practice. hour after hour day after day and the occasional butt whooping for a dollar a game against the better player. kudos to those who have a mentor or teacher. i try to help those who have a sincere desire to better themselves (but not too much)!
 
I was born and raised in south Alabama, the son of a farmer. The "big" city had around 11,000 people in it, along with 1 pool room, Ralph's Cafe & Pool Room, on Main St. It had 2 snooker tables and six 9 foot pool tables.

I started going into town with my Dad when I was 9 or 10. The feed store was across the road from the pool room, and Ralph served the best chili dogs in town...he always said they were the best in the world, and I have not found any to beat them yet, but that is another story.

The more I went to town with Dad, the more I started hanging out at the cafe/pool room. The following year (I was either 10 or 11), Dad let me take a little summer job cleaning up at the feed store. I made just about enough money to buy a couple of hot dogs and shoot a couple of games of pool.

Back then (this was around 1960-61), you payed by the rack. Regular pool was $.05/game, and Snooker was $.10. They had a man who racked them for you. His name was "Mac" McCordle, an old retired man in his 60s, and a really good snooker player. When I was around 13, Mac took me under his wings and started teaching me to play pool seriously. I got really, really good at Snooker over the next few years, to the point where no one in town would play me any more. The saddest day in my pool life was when I went into the pool room and asked Mac to shoot me a game, and he declined. He said he had nothing else to show me, and that he could not give me a game anymore.

Now, it is well over 40 years later, and I still remember Mac when I get in a tough game, or have a tough shot. I remember how he told me to block everything out and trust what I had done hundreds of times before. He would always say "You shot this shot hundreds of times before. It is the same now as when you shot it then. Trust what you have done and just let it go."

He had no real reason to take a skinny little redheaded boy under his wings and teach him the game, but he did. For that I am, and always will be, very grateful.

Joe
 
Great Story!!!!

Bamacues said:
I was born and raised in south Alabama, the son of a farmer. The "big" city had around 11,000 people in it, along with 1 pool room, Ralph's Cafe & Pool Room, on Main St. It had 2 snooker tables and six 9 foot pool tables.

I started going into town with my Dad when I was 9 or 10. The feed store was across the road from the pool room, and Ralph served the best chili dogs in town...he always said they were the best in the world, and I have not found any to beat them yet, but that is another story.

The more I went to town with Dad, the more I started hanging out at the cafe/pool room. The following year (I was either 10 or 11), Dad let me take a little summer job cleaning up at the feed store. I made just about enough money to buy a couple of hot dogs and shoot a couple of games of pool.
Back then (this was around 1960-61), you payed by the rack. Regular pool was $.05/game, and Snooker was $.10. They had a man who racked them for you. His name was "Mac" McCordle, an old retired man in his 60s, and a really good snooker player. When I was around 13, Mac took me under his wings and started teaching me to play pool seriously. I got really, really good at Snooker over the next few years, to the point where no one in town would play me any more. The saddest day in my pool life was when I went into the pool room and asked Mac to shoot me a game, and he declined. He said he had nothing else to show me, and that he could not give me a game anymore.

Now, it is well over 40 years later, and I still remember Mac when I get in a tough game, or have a tough shot. I remember how he told me to block everything out and trust what I had done hundreds of times before. He would always say "You shot this shot hundreds of times before. It is the same now as when you shot it then. Trust what you have done and just let it go."

He had no real reason to take a skinny little redheaded boy under his wings and teach him the game, but he did. For that I am, and always will be, very grateful.

Joe

Mac sounds like a great mentor. Lucky kid back then!!!!! Sounds like you had alot of fun with him.
 
Definitely a good thread idea!

A lot of people were responsible for helping me progress (each helped fill a knowledge gap or technique gap). This is a good opportunity to say thanks to:

Mike McAndrew - For beating me relentlessly and showing me a level beyond anyone local, which made me want to play. Taught me too much to even describe.
Coby Atkins - For showing me the fundamentals, making me want to play.
Randy Fry (RIP brother) - Giving me genius insight in how to play well
Kevin Shaffer - Showing me how to gamble, in general
Joe Tucker - Man, where to start. Taught me everything I know about 14.1 break-shots. Taught me a LOT about my stroke. I didn't know crap until I made the trip to RI to see this guy. HIGHLY recommended, people.
Blackjack - 14.1 strategy. No surprise here to anyone, I'm sure.
Danny Harriman - Teaching me where center ball really is.

Special thanks to Hal Houle. Words cannot even express how appreciative I am of that guy - he changed my pool life. Without Hal, I wouldn't have known to track down Ron Vitello....once again, speechless. Ron filled a LOT of knowledge gaps. If you want knowledge, track this guy down. Finally, Stan Shuffet... for the final "left to right" move.
 
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SJDinPHX said:
Jake,

I hope Chad and Don were good teachers, because Jack Madden doesn't know s--t about pool. I know, because I mentored him.
I will say this he is a fast learner, he was able to absorb my vast store of knowledge in only 5 minutes.:D

Dick

PS Isn't it amazing how such a spastic at pool can make such beautiful cues ?:thumbup:


hahaha, Jackie told me you took him to his first tournament, he also told me to hit you up for some stories about back in the day
 
Old war story you may have seen.

bigskyjake said:
hahaha, Jackie told me you took him to his first tournament, he also told me to hit you up for some stories about back in the day

Jake,
Jack speaks well of you. Did you catch my Surfer Rod story? Heres a link to it. http://forums.azbilliards.com//showthread.php?t=91420
An old friend of mine, Johnny Hugh's sheds even more light on what a real badass Geo. Mc Gann was.http://guinnessandpoker.blogspot.com...8_ archive.html
( Hugh's story link won't work for me ? Go to post #13 on that thread, That works for some reason)
Regards
Dick
 
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Mentor

Great post Milo! I agree that in all the 'hard work' that goes into the many aspects (mechanics, pyschology, ego, confidence) you have to take the time to stop and appreciate what makes you love the game. Which includes appreciating the people/players that helped you get to where you are today.

I played recreationaly as a kid but when I joined the Army (about 46t2a3q5699@! years ago) I really got hit with the pool bug. I was in Colorado Springs playing at a place called Pinkes. Marvelous Mark 'The Arm' Estes was the manager. I used to watch Mark just tear through people giving them ridiculous weight and just running racks on them. His game was beyond just pocketing balls without missing.. he did it with an effortless grace. He played some shady guys and he played high rollers too and on Sundays when it was quiet he would let me get in some practice with him. And there was an older gentleman there named Dangerous Denny that coached me and would yell out a supportive 'PERFECT!' whenever I executed something correctly. I learned a lot there in those 3 years. Would love to have one of those Sunday practice sessions again. Thanks to Mark and Denny for teaching me that lessons can come from anyone, good or bad, if you're paying attention.

Appreciation will keep the past alive and it will get you through to the next level.

Mark lives in Vegas now and is still actively involved with pool. I don't know what ever happened to Denny. Thanks guys.. hope you're shooting straight.
 
My mentor is Bobby Hunter. The few hours I spent with him in Chicago and also his advice is being extremelly valuable to me. I am lucky that in the BayArea, I am surrounded with someawesome players that I learn and chat on a daily basis. That has helped develop my game.
 
Mark Bartee -

He taught me how to play under pressure, by throwing empty beer cans at me while I was shooting...
 
I came to pool right around 1977-78 I was 9-10 years old. and my grandfather Chesney Larsen.. he worked full time for the city road department... but on Sunday afternoons he was a volunteer bartender at the local VFW (volunteer meaning he got to drink for free as long as he tended bar)

I'll save you all a long story and say my grandfather was the closest thing to a dad I ever had..and he started bringing me with him on Sundays..

well he and his cronies.. all WWII vets would spend all day Sunday playing 14.1 .. we had three tables.. it was slow on sundays and one was usually open so I started trying to do what they were doing.

the first lesson he taught me that I remember.. was very early on he took away my cueball and made me shoot spot shots into the pockets placing the number of the ball directly in line with the shot and told me to aim at the number..once I started making balls. he started showing me the chalk mark and he called it the hit spot (we now call it the contact point).. and told me all you need to do is make the white ball hit that spot...

those old men taught me quite a bit.. and I remember a few smacks to the back of the head... but it wasn't for missing shots.... it was for choosing the wrong shot...

I didn't realize that there were any other games until I got to high school

after high school I fell out of pool and didn't pick it up again until about 5 years ago..

my list after that point becomes a who's who of internet pool experts willing to share knowledge...

Bob Jewett
Dr. Dave
Blackjack

and others
 
drawman's mentors

Greg Ford (taught me fundamentals and inspired me)
Ed Gasbarre (my favorite opponent bar none)
Ed Gregory (local champion who took an interest in my game)
Joshua "Harry" Garfinkle (old timer who taught me speed control)
Joe "Overalls" (old timer who taught me snooker)

Each has a place in my heart as though they were my own family.
 
In my early years I was mentored by a gentleman named "Blackie". He taught me alot of old school stuff and was a disciple of the "little Red book".

My real schooling started after college when I went under the wing of BCA Master Instructor, Jerry Briesath. Jerry corrected my pool faults and beliefs, leading me into understanding myself. It was Jerry who encouraged me to become an Instructor. It was Jerry who broke the old school myths.

I hope that I learn from all of my encounters. Instructors, Coaches and Players. OPEN MINDS-OPEN DOORS. I teach around 500 students a year and try to learn something back from each one of them.

My pool book is just another chapter in life. The book will never get complete....SPF=randyg
 
guip salerno helped me when i first started playing on the 9 footers.rest in peace.he passed a couple years ago.billy dee has knowledge like you cant believe hes helped me he can be found every day at cosmos billiards in dickson city pa hes 80 now and from 11:30 to 4:00 hes there daily. cosmo salerno helped when I first started too he was the room owner at guips before cosmos billiards. that room was in scranton. also went to jim rempes house a few times for lessons.I just have to much emotion in the game consistency isnt there.I havent givin up but Im not getting any younger.I would like to hear more from players on this subject. these players should get recognition for there care in helping. some keep it a secret because it was so hard for some who werent as fortunate to have been shown things when they started out.
 
3andstop said:
My wife, she always told me... "You better win, you @#$% or I'm gonna shove this rolling pin so far up your @$$ that Betty Crocker won't be able to find it."

Love that girl ...

Haaha! Sounds familiar.

Mine was the resistance to work and lack of mortgage.
 
For me, I have several. Starting with Cisero Murphy, who took the time to teach me things that I would have never figured out by myself. He was a great person and a great man, and he taught me just as many lessons about life as he did about pool.

Players
Buddy Hall has had such a big influence on me.
Back in the early 80's I would watch Buddy shoot for hours and hours and hours. I watched everything he did with the cue ball and tried to emulate his cue ball movements when I was at the table. IMO, Buddy Hall was the "John Wayne" of all pool players. When he walked through the door everybody stopped and you could actually feel the respect that everybody had for "The Man".

Harry Sexton was one of the most incredible people that I ever met. He helped me through some really tough times in my life and I will always be grateful that the man upstairs placed him in my life.

Tony Ellin - If it was not for Tony's suggestion of - "That's pretty good man, you should write this down... you should write a book!" - then I wouldn't be teaching pool today. That is the thing about life, you never know where these forks in the road are, or where you have to turn, but we do get direction and guidance along the way.

Also -

Tony Robles - If we want to have pool hit the mainstream, we need more people like Tony Robles. He is the consummate gentleman and the model for professionalism in our game. I have immeasurable respect for Tony as a player, as a person, and as a friend.

Danny Harriman - Danny is a champion on and off the table. He has been through so much and he has shown me that you can fight your way back to the top of the ladder as long as you believe in yourself and in God. I am so proud of what Danny has done in the past 3 years to reestablish himself as one of the best players in the game. It humbles me to know that I played a small role in that, and I am proud to call Danny one of my best friends.

Teaching & Coaching
Hal Mix once told me that there is no such things as good or bad knowledge. He taught me that knowledge is either useful or useless - depending upon the individual that is trying to apply it. He was a kind and generous man who loved to help pool players. He was just an incredible person and he has had a major influence on the way that I view teaching.

Randy Goettlicher - I met Randy through my friend Gilbert Griego back in 1987 when Randy was helping us set up the Southwest Eight Ball League. We met in a conference room of a hospital in El Paso to discuss how to start the league. As a "new" room owner, I decided to show up that night at Gilbert's request. How was I to know that I would meet somebody that night that would change the way I looked at the game of pool?

Randy, you have no idea how much those conversations that we had changed the way I looked at the game of pool in every aspect. I know you were looking at me the whole time wondering... what the hell is this kid doing owning and running a pool hall at his age??? LOL...

You have always been there with words of wisdom at some of the best and worst of times (like the comment you made to me about having drawn Cowboy Jimmy Moore in the first round) - The College of Pool Knowledge - I want you to know that I consider you a major influence on the way that I teach the game of pool and the game of life. The high quality of instruction in our game is what it is today because of your hard work and dedication. If we had everybody working half as hard as you do, there would be no limit to how far we could go. IMO, you're the best there is. Plain and simple.
 
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