who wins

Celtic said:
I agree with this. At the end of the 6 days you are going to either show that one player is clearly better by getting 5 or 6 sets and by scores like 50-30, 50-34 in some or you are going to end up with a close result like 3-3 in sets and scores like 50-43, 50-47 each way and instead show that the players are actually pretty closely matched and either wins on any given day.
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Can't remember exactly the number of games, but Varner in his prime went to the Phillipines a few years back and played Efren three sessions over I think three days and beat him on his home court, Nicky is the true/relentless grinder and this shows how great he truly was/is.
 
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jay helfert said:
Think of it this way. You are probably walking close to two miles per hour. In a 16 hour set, you could easily walk a Marathon or more!
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That's a good point, Jay. I smiled at those that responded with the "staying in shape" thing. I was a marathon runner in my day. (As an aside, yes, I regularly did both the Boston and NYC marathons when I was in my prime -- I have some old pictures that a friend took of me [with my numbered placard] running through Battery Park in Manhattan that I'll have to scan-in and post one day. I once could also sprint a 4:30 mile -- no kidding. My nickname used to be "The Leinen Express.")

However, as is the march of life itself, as I hit my 40s and as my career took more and more of my time, I slowed down, but my metabolism rate stayed the same. Therefore, even doing the "night before" load-up on pasta and carbohydrates like I did in my running days, I would still need periodic breaks to "refuel," because my body just burns it up.

-Sean
 
Island Drive said:
Can't remember exactly the number of games, but Varner in him prime went to the Phillipines a few years back and played Efren three sessions over I think three days and beat him on his home court, Nicky is the true/relentless grinder and this shows how great he truly was/is.
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That was quite a few years ago, closer to fifteen. The filipinos are not indestructible. A couple of Americans who had success over there gambling in years gone by include Johnny Archer and Rodney Morris. Johnny put the whoop ass on everyone he played until Francisco put an end to that. Of course Parica was already living over here in the 90's and I'm not so sure if they ever played him.
 
Island Drive said:
It simple, you stay in shape, you eat before and during play, many times during play I've eaten a burger/fries and then run allot of packages, I'm 60 and I still prefer to play Loooooooooong matches, its the only way to get better quicker. After months of road work and strengthening of your stomach muscles playing till you drop is fun. You mind settles down, your ability to think becomes simplified and your swing rhythm becomes second nature........for me.
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You sir, get it!!!! If some of these guys would play 36-37 hours they may find that out.....
 
I have a question for Chris Bartram. You say that the tournament wins don't determine the best player. If so, why don't you play US Open winners even for the dough?
 
BGhost said:
I have a question for Chris Bartram. You say that the tournament wins don't determine the best player. If so, why don't you play US Open winners even for the dough?
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im not that good of a player.
same q for you.
why dont us open winners play orcullo even?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
The Pool Gangsta Rap

jay helfert said:
You down man! You a Gangsta now!
We so cool, we ditch school, we shoot pool!
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[...glances at Jay, turns away, and busts out laughing...] Two points, Jay!

Hey man, you want to do the pool gangsta rap with me? I'll do "ppput... tsst-tsst-ppput-pitty-ppput" mouth beatbox, and you do the rap.

We'll have to solicit Martin Courtois to insert his trademarked nonsensical word, "Cycloptic!" at periodic intervals, much like Spock's "Pure Energy!" utterance in Information Society's dance song "What's On Your Mind?"

Or maybe Danny DiLiberto saying "Amphibious!"?

What say you? We onto something here? :D
-Sean
 
billychips said:
Do YOU know just how good Eddie Taylor played?
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I"M NOT THE ONE saying he would have no chance at beating some of the top guys today, Chris is. Hence the question. How can you compare two guys when you have absolutely no clue about how one of them played?
 
And while we're talking about this generation vs the past, how do you think they match up on gamble? The older guys got my vote. Just one example, who bets it up like Flyboy did when he was playing?
 
punter said:
And while we're talking about this generation vs the past, how do you think they match up on gamble? The older guys got my vote. Just one example, who bets it up like Flyboy did when he was playing?
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I have no idea how Eddie Taylor played and I would bet pretty high that 99.9% of the people on here didnt see him play. I know this much, that the best athletes in the world in the 40's and 50's stand absolutely no chance of competing today, so unless pool is different (and its not) I would think that it would be very hard for that generation to compete today. As for gambling, it seems as if they did gamble more back in the day. It doesnt sound like they were too smart and it seems like many of them were in need of chemicals to maintain, but it doesnt mean that they played better.
 
sfleinen said:
[...glances at Jay, turns away, and busts out laughing...] Two points, Jay!

Hey man, you want to do the pool gangsta rap with me? I'll do "ppput... tsst-tsst-ppput-pitty-ppput" mouth beatbox, and you do the rap.

We'll have to solicit Martin Courtois to insert his trademarked nonsensical word, "Cycloptic!" at periodic intervals, much like Spock's "Pure Energy!" utterance in Information Society's dance song "What's On Your Mind?"

Or maybe Danny DiLiberto saying "Amphibious!"?

What say you? We onto something here? :D
-Sean
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Let's do it! The first pool rap song! We need cool names though. Banger J and SL Slopster. What do you think?
 
real bartram said:
yea taylor would rob orcullo.


lol
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I did see him play, many times. He would absolutely rob Dennis at Banks and One Pocket. Dennis would rob him at 9-Ball and Ten Ball. So it's a draw! :thumbup2:

You know I got to thinking about all that generational stuff with athletes in other sports. In most sports size and strength are prized assets. Not so in pool. I'm not so sure that today's pool players have any advantage over yesterday's champs. Maybe you think I'm crazy to say this, but I sincerely believe that Mosconi in his prime or Greenleaf in his prime would be very competitive with any Straight Pool champion today. I'm not saying they would be dominant, just VERY competitive.

Same for Ronnie at One Pocket, Lassiter (or Buddy) at 9-Ball or Worst at any game. Taylor or Bugs at Banks - forget about it! No contest. Cannonball too had a higher speed. Just ask Truman how good these guys played compared to today's best bankers. Still no one today banking better than Gary Spaeth did. But what do I know? I wouldn't play any of these guys if my life depended on it. At least not without a lot of weight. :wink:

I asked Kelly for the five ball once in the Billiard Den. He said okay, a little too quickly. I amended my offer to the five and the break. He just smiled at me. I could break hard back then. Now I'm a 98 pound weakling.
 
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billychips said:
I have no idea how Eddie Taylor played and I would bet pretty high that 99.9% of the people on here didnt see him play. I know this much, that the best athletes in the world in the 40's and 50's stand absolutely no chance of competing today, so unless pool is different (and its not) I would think that it would be very hard for that generation to compete today. As for gambling, it seems as if they did gamble more back in the day. It doesnt sound like they were too smart and it seems like many of them were in need of chemicals to maintain, but it doesnt mean that they played better.
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The bottom line is still, you don't know, and saying that there's no way Taylor could compete with Alex, just shows ignorance on the part of the person saying that. If you actually saw Taylor play in his prime (and Alex) then you are more qualified to make this comparison.
 
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billychips said:
I know this much, that the best athletes in the world in the 40's and 50's stand absolutely no chance of competing today..
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You think if Jim Brown were born today he would have no chance of competing with today's athletes? Why?
 
jay helfert said:
Let's do it! The first pool rap song! We need cool names though. Banger J and SL Slopster. What do you think?
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Yeah!!! Cool names, indeed. But then again, keeping in mind a mainstay of rap is to copy other artists and songs, how about J-Diddy and SL Cool J? :D
 
PoolBum said:
You think if Jim Brown were born today he would have no chance of competing with today's athletes? Why?
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I didnt say if Jim Brown was born today. I said athletes of the 1940's and 50's (this means they were born in the 1930's) absolutely could not compete in professional sports today. Lineman were 6' 190 lbs and ran 5.3 40 yard dashes. What position would they play in the NFL? The answer is none. Do you thin the 6'3" white centers in the 50's who couldnt dunk would fair well guarding LeBron James?
 
jay helfert said:
I did see him play, many times. He would absolutely rob Dennis at Banks and One Pocket. Dennis would rob him at 9-Ball and Ten Ball. So it's a draw! :thumbup2:

You know I got to thinking about all that generational stuff with athletes in other sports. In most sports size and strength are prized assets. Not so in pool. I'm not so sure that today's pool players have any advantage over yesterday's champs. Maybe you think I'm crazy to say this, but I sincerely believe that Mosconi in his prime or Greenleaf in his prime would be very competitive with any Straight Pool champion today. I'm not saying they would be dominant, just VERY competitive.

Same for Ronnie at One Pocket, Lassiter (or Buddy) at 9-Ball or Worst at any game. Taylor or Bugs at Banks - forget about it! No contest. Cannonball too had a higher speed. Just ask Truman how good these guys played compared to today's best bankers. Still no one today banking better than Gary Spaeth did. But what do I know? I wouldn't play any of these guys if my life depended on it. At least not without a lot of weight. :wink:

I asked Kelly for the five ball once in the Billiard Den. He said okay, a little too quickly. I amended my offer to the five and the break. He just smiled at me. I could break hard back then. Now I'm a 98 pound weakling.
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thats all i have said the whole time.
orcullo would win in 9 ball or 10 ball .
against any old champs.
 
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