tony semona
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who wins ? alex vs. eddie taylor. 9 ball and one pocket. also who else played or plays alex's speed at 9 ball and one pocket. i'm sure the list is short.
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Alex wins in 9 ball, Taylor has the edge in one pocket.
Past & present, Shannon Daulton, John Schmidt, Jeremy Jones, Jose Parica, Ed Kelly, Nick Varner, Grady Mathews and the venerable Efren Reyes all play(ed) super strong in both disciplines.
Past & present, Shannon Daulton, John Schmidt, Jeremy Jones, Jose Parica, Ed Kelly, Nick Varner, Grady Mathews and the venerable Efren Reyes all play(ed) super strong in both disciplines.
Steve Mizarack(sp) had to be great in both games.--Leonard
I look at Taylor as a one of a kind, like Efren. Takes traditional games, plays em different than every one else and beats ya his own way. I heard his high run in banks (Jay probably has the number) was in the low 30's, that alone separates him from most everybody thats ever lived. My guess 9 ball he'd get beat, but he'd beat Alex in "every" other game his own way. The Knoxville bear was a ''stood alone''. We'll probably never see anyone anywhere in the world play banks like he did, why, who knows, nowadays players focus is in different directions than the depression era gentlemen. One would think, someone in the phillipines would rise to the task, doubt it tho.
Eddie ran 37 banks in a row against Bill Webster in Asherville, North Carolina in 1945.
i would have loved too have seen eddie do that lol
This ain't the National Geographic!
Asheville, NC. I have no idea who jarred my post, but somebody slipped me an "R" when I wasn't looking! :grin:
Good catch Daniel! Or should I now refer to you as Daniel Webster Ktown?
You young bucks are sharp and us old fellas gotta stay on our toes to be competetive not only on a pool table, but on a keyboard as well!
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Asheville, NC. I have no idea who jarred my post, but somebody slipped me an "R" when I wasn't looking! :grin:
Good catch Daniel! Or should I now refer to you as Daniel Webster Ktown?
You young bucks are sharp and us old fellas gotta stay on our toes to be competetive not only on a pool table, but on a keyboard as well!
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the guys you list here have no chance to play him both games.
reyes and parica thats it.
im not saying anything bad about their games but come on lets be real.
shannon one pocket is close 10 ball not close.
john s one pocket alex a ball fav and 10 ball big fav
jer jones one pocket close 10 alex big fav
nick varner one pocket close 10 bal alex big fav
grady come on please.
like i said these guys play good but alex plays great.
i dont think many people on az really know what a gangsta alex is playing any game for money.
Tell me who wanted to play Reyes 9-ball or 1-hole in the 90's . He would beat both Alex and Taylor at both games . Case closed !
not so fast one pocket for sure.
9 ball or 10 ball ill take alex.
reyes break so weak.
Gotta agree, Alex is a World Beater I think Alex beats at least 5 outta 7 of these guys for the cash, you make it really long sets and he beats them all.
Taylor was undoubtedly a great player in his era. And a match for anyone. I have to think that in his prime he could have played anyone, past or present. Once again the conditions (equipment) were very different in his day to what they play on now, primarily the slow cloth. Put Alex on that equipment and he might have trouble with Taylor. All this is what my heart tells me. But my head says that maybe Chris is right. Alex may be the better player, particularly at 9-Ball or Ten Ball. He just plays the game at a higher level than anyone from that earlier generation.
There is only one game where I will continue to make Taylor the favorite over Alex or anyone else. That game is Banks. If you think of a Jason Miller or a Gary Spaeth or a Wade Crane at their absolute best, that is how Taylor played all the time. He was just a little more accurate and consistent then today's bankers. To him 9-Ball Bank would be a joke. I suspect he would have run fours and fives all day, and if allowed to continue, run many six's and above as well. He might even run all nine banks every once in a while.
Now going back to Alex and his abilities. I also saw Parica at his peak. I make him the slight favorite over Alex at 9-Ball or Ten Ball. To put it in perspective, think of the best skills of both Dennis Orcollo and Efren Reyes put into one package. Then you begin to grasp the skills of Parica in his prime. He was a fierce money player, who never let up and never got intimidated. He played a lot like Earl played in tournaments, except for the cash. And his run outs appeared slightly more controlled than Earl's.
At One Pocket, Alex might have had a slight edge, but not much. I rate Parica only a hair under Reyes at this game, and probably a better gambler. He would not give up and continue to put relentless pressure on Alex or anyone else. It is Jose and not Cliff who is the second best One Pocket player of their generation. I know one thing that maybe even Chris doesn't know. Ten years or so ago, Alex would not mess with Parica, at ANY game! He KNEW he was outmatched. If you don't believe me ask him.
That brings us to present day. I've seen Alex at his best, against Shane and others. He is an extremely talented player, maybe the best One Pocket player today. Although I'd like to see him and Gabe go at it in a long match. But at Ten Ball in a tournament I'd take Wu over him and in a money game I'd take Yang. If either of these matches happen, that's the way I would bet. It would take Parica at his best to have a chance with Yang for the cash. And I've seen Wu make even the great Mika, Ralf and Shane look like they were one speed under him.
All this being said, if the modern era of pool players all had to play a match of One Pocket and Ten Ball, I'd be betting on Alex too! :wink:
There is only one game where I will continue to make Taylor the favorite over Alex or anyone else. That game is Banks. If you think of a Jason Miller or a Gary Spaeth or a Wade Crane at their absolute best, that is how Taylor played all the time. He was just a little more accurate and consistent then today's bankers. To him 9-Ball Bank would be a joke. I suspect he would have run fours and fives all day, and if allowed to continue, run many six's and above as well. He might even run all nine banks every once in a while.
Now going back to Alex and his abilities. I also saw Parica at his peak. I make him the slight favorite over Alex at 9-Ball or Ten Ball. To put it in perspective, think of the best skills of both Dennis Orcollo and Efren Reyes put into one package. Then you begin to grasp the skills of Parica in his prime. He was a fierce money player, who never let up and never got intimidated. He played a lot like Earl played in tournaments, except for the cash. And his run outs appeared slightly more controlled than Earl's.
At One Pocket, Alex might have had a slight edge, but not much. I rate Parica only a hair under Reyes at this game, and probably a better gambler. He would not give up and continue to put relentless pressure on Alex or anyone else. It is Jose and not Cliff who is the second best One Pocket player of their generation. I know one thing that maybe even Chris doesn't know. Ten years or so ago, Alex would not mess with Parica, at ANY game! He KNEW he was outmatched. If you don't believe me ask him.
That brings us to present day. I've seen Alex at his best, against Shane and others. He is an extremely talented player, maybe the best One Pocket player today. Although I'd like to see him and Gabe go at it in a long match. But at Ten Ball in a tournament I'd take Wu over him and in a money game I'd take Yang. If either of these matches happen, that's the way I would bet. It would take Parica at his best to have a chance with Yang for the cash. And I've seen Wu make even the great Mika, Ralf and Shane look like they were one speed under him.
All this being said, if the modern era of pool players all had to play a match of One Pocket and Ten Ball, I'd be betting on Alex too! :wink:
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I can't believe the two games mentioned are 9-ball and one-pocket, and nobody's mentioned Buddy Hall yet.
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You're right Andrew. Tough action for anyone in his day, including Alex.
Your right, Cecil only got beat in his prime if he was jarred............
"NO" chance?????
Chris,
The other "guys" I listed are all have great 9B & 1P credentials, most being either former U.S. Open 9 Ball Champs or past World 9 Ball Champs, just like Alex. Shannon has 2 DCC 9 Ball Championships to his credit. To say they would have "NO" chance against Alex in 9 ball (10 ball) is B.S. Why wouldn't they have "NO" chance??? Is Alex undefeated in his career?
Next, I'm just going to single out your time capsule-like comment of..."Grady come on please."
***The original thread AND my response that included Grady includes PAST as well as present champs. Grady today vs Alex.....Please!
BUT....Grady in his prime won 4 World One Pocket Championships. He is enshrined in the One Pocket Hall of Fame. And probably most important to you, he gambled big with his own money against the very best players such as Ronnie Allen, Ed Kelly, Jack Breit, Billy Burge, Jack Cooney, etc,
etc.
So how is it that Grady ranks just a "pa-leeze"???
I ain't done yet my friend......Here's a link of the winners of all the major One Pocket events going waaaay back. Read the list of names of those who won. Count up Alex's One Pocket titles....He has one (1). It's the 2001 Country Club USA One Pocket title. (!) http://www.onepocket.org/records.htm
There's more...Of the 11 Derby City Classic One Pocket Championships that have been held thus far, Alex has played in 5 of them. Here are his results....
2003 7th place
2004 14th place
2005 8th place
2006 3rd place
2008 4th place
One more thing to think about. If Alex retired right now from pool, do you think he's done enough to merit induction into the One Pocket H.O.F.?
I can't think of anyone who doesn't love to watch Alex and root for him. He's an incredible player with all the heart in the world. Fearless. But I do believe there are several other equally great and fearless one pocket champs who Alex most assuredly would have his hands full with.
Lastly, I know you well enough now to know how heavy an emphasis you place on gambling match ups. Let me ask you this....Do you really think that if someone had the chance to win a prestigious One Pocket Championship, they would try any less than if they were gambling? No, they would try just as hard. To win a major title not only pays bigger money than those who did not win it, it also can end up in sponsorship deals. So saying that tournament wins are not all important contradicts what you feel about who wins the most money is the best player. The tournament winner does indeed get the most money. Who wouldn't be trying for that?
And Alex only has 1 tournament win in One Pocket.
And those other guys I named, they can bet it up high as well. They're not just one trick ponies who won a tournament and then bail in money games. They're what I call double champs...can win in tournaments and money matches.
My fingers are getting stiff from typing. I'm going to stop for a while.
Chris,
The other "guys" I listed are all have great 9B & 1P credentials, most being either former U.S. Open 9 Ball Champs or past World 9 Ball Champs, just like Alex. Shannon has 2 DCC 9 Ball Championships to his credit. To say they would have "NO" chance against Alex in 9 ball (10 ball) is B.S. Why wouldn't they have "NO" chance??? Is Alex undefeated in his career?
Next, I'm just going to single out your time capsule-like comment of..."Grady come on please."
***The original thread AND my response that included Grady includes PAST as well as present champs. Grady today vs Alex.....Please!
BUT....Grady in his prime won 4 World One Pocket Championships. He is enshrined in the One Pocket Hall of Fame. And probably most important to you, he gambled big with his own money against the very best players such as Ronnie Allen, Ed Kelly, Jack Breit, Billy Burge, Jack Cooney, etc,
etc.
So how is it that Grady ranks just a "pa-leeze"???
I ain't done yet my friend......Here's a link of the winners of all the major One Pocket events going waaaay back. Read the list of names of those who won. Count up Alex's One Pocket titles....He has one (1). It's the 2001 Country Club USA One Pocket title. (!) http://www.onepocket.org/records.htm
There's more...Of the 11 Derby City Classic One Pocket Championships that have been held thus far, Alex has played in 5 of them. Here are his results....
2003 7th place
2004 14th place
2005 8th place
2006 3rd place
2008 4th place
One more thing to think about. If Alex retired right now from pool, do you think he's done enough to merit induction into the One Pocket H.O.F.?
I can't think of anyone who doesn't love to watch Alex and root for him. He's an incredible player with all the heart in the world. Fearless. But I do believe there are several other equally great and fearless one pocket champs who Alex most assuredly would have his hands full with.
Lastly, I know you well enough now to know how heavy an emphasis you place on gambling match ups. Let me ask you this....Do you really think that if someone had the chance to win a prestigious One Pocket Championship, they would try any less than if they were gambling? No, they would try just as hard. To win a major title not only pays bigger money than those who did not win it, it also can end up in sponsorship deals. So saying that tournament wins are not all important contradicts what you feel about who wins the most money is the best player. The tournament winner does indeed get the most money. Who wouldn't be trying for that?
And Alex only has 1 tournament win in One Pocket.
And those other guys I named, they can bet it up high as well. They're not just one trick ponies who won a tournament and then bail in money games. They're what I call double champs...can win in tournaments and money matches.
My fingers are getting stiff from typing. I'm going to stop for a while.
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