classiccues said:The second you said I put a predator shaft on a Szamboti you lost all credibility.. lol
JV
yeah, but it's not as bad as shooting with a "lowenbrau".
hehe.
chris G
Who's cues hit like (*&%?
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yeah, but it's not as bad as shooting with a "lowenbrau".
hehe.
chris G
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When was the last time you saw a 5xx SW?Jeffrey Gale said:
I have a SW and the pin # is 512-95
wow. imo that too many cues per year...
ive only played with 2 sw cues. both jeryy cues with original ivory ferrules.
i asked in a thread a few months back about the changes since jerry but no one responded
200 cue is not too many for the people they have working and the shop they have.Jerry didn't make any cues since probably 1991-1992.everyone thinks '93-96 are better b/c they are Franklin era cues,but all Jerry was doing those years was spraying them.the cues are the same for the most part.
JMO...Have had about 6 sw cues and 4 tascarellas and they didnt hit like crap but didnt care for there hit much at all....one tas had a ivory joint and it hit the best out of the bunch but because of there great resale value I sold them asap. Hit is subjective but one thing I do notice is there arent many pro's or even some of the very great road players playing with a well known fancy cue out there. I have had more sucess with mottey cues than any other and have a madden cue that plays great also. There are a few others but you could ask everyone at vf or even the us open in 2 weeks which cues are great and which hit like crap and get a ton of different answers. I've even had a few Blacks that most dont care for right now and they hit pretty well...I seemed to move the ball well and pocket ball easly. A good tip with a good shaft makes a big difference. I'm not saying these other cues had bad shafts or tips but they did hit hard and too stiff for me. Another point is just because a cue sells for xxxx amount of dollars and the maker has a xx amount of waiting time really doesnt prove anything about a cue. Just ask the pro's who make a living playing pool...most of there cues are 800 bucks and lower.I think tommy kennedy plays with a sw and rodney morris played with szams and recently showman but they are pretty rare...I got to the derby,vf,us open and usually while sitting there watching a match I will check out there cues because I like the rest here love cues but there are many different types of buyers here...those for there art work..those who are just investors trying to guess whats hot and whats not..and there are players who know what type of hit they are looking for. Its really interesting though how this thread has taken off and some of the cues mentioned has caused some heated exchanges
jazznpool said:
yes you are correct alot of the wood is stock that jerry did infact buy, the shaft wood isnt. Even though the wood is old stock well aged in the dry nevada desert it is still stock, not a cue, when its cut down and they take along time between cuts (thus increasing the time to build a cue). When the new cue is all put together using different woods you have a new cue built out out of different old woods thats when the clock begins for the ageing process for a cue, if however its a BEM plane jane cue then its not as sensitive like a multi wood cue because its a one wood cue, the plane jane cues Tad makes or the satin finish SW's are better than new cues built from old woods because there are no differences in the woods because there is ust one wood so its more consistant, but when you use 2 or 3 woods on a regular 6pt SW you have a new cue made of old woods and that cue has to age from the day its finished. Laurie is very selective about the shaft wood she picks but its green and it just isnt the same, I have a 86 SW I bought new and the shaft wood is harder and darker on the old cue than my 2000 SW.
Blending old woods together is not the same as a 30 year old cue made from 3 different woods, the plane ane cues using one wood are somewhat aged because there isnt alot of different woods that have to get used to each other. I do believe that using old stock will accelerate the cue into becomming a better cue faster, but ust because all the wood is old before you start dosent make it hit like a cue thats 30 years old, some of lauries wood isnt old and then your blending old and new wood, simpally put old cues play better, SW cues are among the best cue made today and worth the $$$. and will get better with time,
As faras the numbering system goes that will forever remain a secret, I had the 7th cue they numbered, it was the uglest cue they ever made I flipped it, and saw it 2 years later in LA some guy from europe was taking it home with him, I wish I would have kept it, but they will never give uo the formula of numbering and I dont blame them
i also bought a Tascarella once and hated it.the worst cue i ever owned was made by the initials of CC and it wasn't named after a state.looked bad and played worse.i had an Ed Prewitt that was unplayable.the shafts were logs.they weighed 4.5oz and it was a selling point,but after i got the shaft turned down to Kers specs it weighed less than 4oz.i can't understand why someone who makes $5000 cue would sell cues with shafts that fat.also the ivory cracked 3 months after i bought and it was basically unused,that cue at $3000 was a huge disappointment.i have had many others that i hated or were actually bad cues,but i don't want to get started on that.those cuess i mentioned just stood out to me.i had a SW or two that i didn't like,but that doesn't mean they were bad.i just hated them.the carter cue i mentioned was bad,the Tasc was bad,and the Prewitt was just unplayble,and apparently that is his taper and it is about like a 3 cushion billiard cue.i want to mention 3 guys that make incredible and basically flawless cues and are reasonably priced in the secondary market.Croy Barnhart,Jeff Olney,Darrin Hill.these guys make excellent playing cues and all pay very close attention to detail.no glue lines or way uneven points or any of that other sloppy crap.you can buy a Merry Widow from any of these guys for under $500 in mint condition on the secondary market and a 4 or 6 pointer for under $1000.to me they are the top 3 going right now all sadi and done.
Hunter said:I would rather play with an old five piece cue from the Orient than an Espiritu merry widow (they're priced so nicely that I just kept trying to find a good one...tried three with different woods and stopped there). The hit (for me), is like playing a whole game with a phenolic tip. I guess I could have tried changing tips and ferrules and such, but I just kind of figured I'd eventually find one that would just have a better feel to it. I never did...
I do have the same best/worst type of story that lots of others seem to have had, too. I always liked Richard Black's artistic styling and have probably owned ten of his cues, or so. I tried the first nine and even though I loved the looks, I couldn't find any that I felt comfortable playing with. Several had a taper I didn't care for. One just felt "dead". I had almost given up, but I was able to find people that liked them very easily when I figured out I couldn't play with them, so that being said, I just kept on looking. I finally found one that an AZ member had that has swimming shark inlays that I liked. When I took it for a test spin, it was like a magic wand! Felt good and hit great. You wouldn't have thought it was the same species as the others that I have tried.
I'm a firm believer that even though a certain maker will have a "basic hit" with their cues, due in a large part to their specific "cue recipe", there will still be dogs and there will be winners. Wood is organic and there are just too many variables to think that they can all be made the same.
I have an Espiritu merry widow that I liked once I got used to it.
I think this is a neat thread. Usually you can't get the posters
on here to criticise anything but Meuccis or DPs.
For me....anything with a uni-loc pin....plays like $hit. But with almost every rule there are exceptions. Two of note....a merry widow style wrapless Searing and a late 90's 6-point Josswest. Those are the only two cues I've ever hit with a uni-loc joint pin that felt right and had a responsive hit. Otherwise they've all been dead/hollow sounding.
no duds
You guys really confuse me because I always hit balls before buying and I don't mean just a few I think the duds are from the players not letting the cue maker do what he does best his style. I like the cuemaker that sayes you can have it any color you want as long as its black. I wouldn't sell 1 cue from my avatar Ernie martinez, Ricky Phillippi, Joss n-17, Andy gilbert. Sometimes as a joke I ask the boys which one did I beat you with last time so I can beat you with another today. I always play with 2-3 cues each one has its own story. Each cue is capable of making all the balls similar tips are on all Kamui II's The hardest cue to make is one for a southpaw haha
You guys really confuse me because I always hit balls before buying and I don't mean just a few I think the duds are from the players not letting the cue maker do what he does best his style. I like the cuemaker that sayes you can have it any color you want as long as its black. I wouldn't sell 1 cue from my avatar Ernie martinez, Ricky Phillippi, Joss n-17, Andy gilbert. Sometimes as a joke I ask the boys which one did I beat you with last time so I can beat you with another today. I always play with 2-3 cues each one has its own story. Each cue is capable of making all the balls similar tips are on all Kamui II's The hardest cue to make is one for a southpaw haha
cueaddicts said:
How about dennis searing cues ..some of his cues made w/ uni loc pin...does it hits like a $hit too?
The Beginner said:
Hey Ced, no comment from this? lmao