Why 7 Days At A Casino??

Johnnyt

Johnnyt

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Why are some 128 player tournaments or less played in a casino and held over way too many days costing players and fans more money? Pool is just a dot on the sports world, yet some promoters try to put lipstick on it and make it what it isn't. It's time to downsize to no more than three days in a nice sportsbar.
 
Johnnyt said:
Why are some 128 player tournaments or less played in a casino and held over way too many days costing players and fans more money? Pool is just a dot on the sports world, yet some promoters try to put lipstick on it and make it what it isn't. It's time to downsize to no more than three days in a nice sportsbar.
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I hope that is a joke. lol. You almost got me to respond to that, but this is clearly a joke.
 
Johnnyt said:
Why are some 128 player tournaments or less played in a casino and held over way too many days costing players and fans more money? Pool is just a dot on the sports world, yet some promoters try to put lipstick on it and make it what it isn't. It's time to downsize to no more than three days in a nice sportsbar.
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You could host the next open in your backyard if its that easy to run a tournament for 128 players.
 
Johnnyt said:
Why are some 128 player tournaments or less played in a casino and held over way too many days costing players and fans more money? Pool is just a dot on the sports world, yet some promoters try to put lipstick on it and make it what it isn't. It's time to downsize to no more than three days in a nice sportsbar.
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Many very big 128 player field pool tournaments are held in Hotel convention centers (that are not part of a casino) I think. I do not think any little sports bar could handle that big of a tournament. Maybe Chandleys in North Carolina, but what other pool rooms are big enough to hold tournaments of that size? I also assume that maybe the reason that the tournaments are held at big casinos is because the Casino adds money to the players pot winnings.
 
Johnnyt said:
Why are some 128 player tournaments or less played in a casino and held over way too many days costing players and fans more money? Pool is just a dot on the sports world, yet some promoters try to put lipstick on it and make it what it isn't. It's time to downsize to no more than three days in a nice sportsbar.
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Johnny, I believe you already know the answer. Can you say: Kickbacks to the Promoter ?
 
It is a legit question minus saying it could be held instead for 3 days in a sports bar.

I don't think it applies to the current CSI event given the mix of tournaments being held.

But compare this week's Turning Stone to the lengths of the upcoming World 14.1 or US Open, or even some of the WPA events in the middle east.

I guess at the end of the day there aren't many fans to worry about anyways. I would think the pros would prefer to play 4 matches in a day rather than 1 or 2 and have the expense of paying for extra hotel nights.
 
Joe_Jaguar said:
...Compare this week's Turning Stone to the lengths of the upcoming World 14.1 or US Open, or even some of the WPA events in the middle east. I guess at the end of the day there aren't many fans to worry about anyways. I would think the pros would prefer to play 4 matches in a day rather than 1 or 2 and have the expense of paying for extra hotel nights.
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Johnnyt said:
Why are some 128 player tournaments or less played in a casino and held over way too many days costing players and fans more money? Pool is just a dot on the sports world, yet some promoters try to put lipstick on it and make it what it isn't. It's time to downsize to no more than three days in a nice sportsbar.
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I see your point JT..but it is just not feasible to hold large tournaments in a sports bar!..It is true, the casinos are a huge drain on the resources ($$$) of both players and spectators..But, as Mark Griffin explained, it is not an easy thing for a promoter to co-ordinate a large tournament, well in advance. :o

The casinos will always hold all the cards in the negotiations, and they will always opt for longer durations!..Large hotels also need the income from room rental, to make it feasible for them, and it is always quite risky (in either case)..for a promoter to guarantee attendance!..Its true, you cannot put 'whipped cream on a hot dog', so pool tournaments will probably always be a tough sell! :rolleyes:
 
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I still say casinos are more of a problem then an answer. Maybe I should have said large poolroom instead of sportbar. I don't get out and around much anymore, but I know there has been many 128 player tournaments held over the years in Hardtimes and a few in AL, LA, WI and other states. I think a player auction is the key in most of them. Johnnyt
 
Shooters in Olathe is a stretch at 128 players but Evelyn and Danny Dysart do an amazing job of running an open and ladies event and getting it done in 2 1/2 days on 16 tables for about 100-115 players. If you count the ladies tournament they always have over 128 players combined between the two tournaments on the bar boxes. Also while running a one pocket event on the big tracks. Race to 9 at that in the open.
 
White Diamond Billiards in Lafayette, LA has two 128 man events twice a year played on Saturday and Sunday.

It is a real grind for the players they play the one loss side matches till 4 or 5 am and they have to be back on Sunday @ 10am :eek:

They have a full 128 field with a waiting list every event and the biggest calcutta's in pool :smile:
 
terryhanna said:
White Diamond Billiards in Lafayette, LA has two 128 man events twice a year played on Saturday and Sunday.

It is a real grind for the players they play the one loss side matches till 4 or 5 am and they have to be back on Sunday @ 10am :eek:

They have a full 128 field with a waiting list every event and the biggest calcutta's in pool :smile:
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That's really militant, but great for spectators.
I always liked that aspect of a four day tournament like turning stone.
By Saturday night you have monster players firing at each other right into the 10 pm round, gong as late as 1 am sometimes, to get to Sunday morning.

That's when you see real great pool, great drama, and unpredictable situations.

It's like American Ninja Warrior for pro pool. Gotta dig deep and get through the gauntlet.
 
Str8PoolPlayer said:
Johnny, I believe you already know the answer. Can you say: Kickbacks to the Promoter ?
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Kick backs? If that were the case' why did Diamond lose so much money on the first Tunica, MS tournament they held there? I believe Greg ended up having to PAY the casino about $30,000 or close to that amount for rooms that were not rented during the event. Kick backs.....truth is, that's a joke....no casino pays out kick backs for pool tournament's.
 
realkingcobra said:
Kick backs? If that were the case' why did Diamond lose so much money on the first Tunica, MS tournament they held there? I believe Greg ended up having to PAY the casino about $30,000 or close to that amount for rooms that were not rented during the event. Kick backs.....truth is, that's a joke....no casino pays out kick backs for pool tournament's.
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That is One example of no kickbacks. Can you speak for ALL Major Tournaments, past, current, & future ?
 
Str8PoolPlayer said:
That is One example of no kickbacks. Can you speak for ALL Major Tournaments, past, current, & future ?
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Can YOU give ONE example of casino Kickbacks backed up with facts, or are you just assuming Kickbacks happen all the time because well.....they just have to happen!!!
 
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