Why a ferrule???

hangemhigh said:
I thought the same thing a couple years ago and have experienced tremendous success with my CA$H ferruleless shaft. I hope everyone who is intrigued by the thought of a ferrule-less shaft will try one.


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Tommy,

Is that a carbon fiber pad on it? Looks very clean. Any problems to date?

Chris
 
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TATE said:
Tommie,

Is that a carbon fiber pad on it? Looks very clean. Any problems to date?

Chris
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No problems Chris, there are a couple of engineering steps that make my shaft durable. The pad is one, combined with the others make it a high performance shaft. The on-going thread started in 2009 is long but filled with many testimonials from respected members here, if you get the chance give it a read.
 
Think about a cue that has no ferrule. The joint is a wood pin that is on the shaft like a billiard cue with not other material except the wood to wood. Then no butt cap, bumper or weight bolt. Just a piece of wood that is turned down with a tip installed?
 
the only way I could do a ferruless shaft again is if it had shaft freeze or something on it. the shaft just gets too dirty for my liking
 
no ferrule

i noticed about a year or so ago that some builders were using just a pad and the tip and liked the results. i will try about anything once , so i made a shaft for my playing cue with just a carbon fiber pad and a hard morri. i loved it after the first shot, and have been using it ever since.
i have made about 35 - 40 cues with a no ferrule shaft. all i have sold went with the " if you do not like it after you play a few racks, i will install a ferrule at no charge " statement. i have not had one person return a shaft for a ferrule.
i think you should build a cue the way it suits you and don't get stuck in the " well billybob does it this way " so that is the only it can be done mentality of some of the i know everything builders on this forum.

" sometimes less is more "

chuck starkey
 
Gerry said:
this is a cool thread, and the OP's question is exactly why I went with the OB1 shaft. I felt the OB set up is the most solid by far. Now when I pick up my other cues with white ferrules it is VERY distracting.

on the same topic......whats up with the screw on Snooker tips?....I guess it works, but I dunno?


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are you meaning because the ob1 uses a wood ferrule? i did try one ob1 a while back and loved it.... i may switch one day...

anyway, my new question based on all the info here.... assuming many of the advantages to ferrules that have been reported here do exist.... still, why are they so long? i guess reason number on would be the chalk on the shaft problem. am i the only one that could care less how much chalk gets into my shaft?? ill take a more solid piece of wood over a dirty cue any day.
 
enzo said:
are you meaning because the ob1 uses a wood ferrule? i did try one ob1 a while back and loved it.... i may switch one day...

anyway, my new question based on all the info here.... assuming many of the advantages to ferrules that have been reported here do exist.... still, why are they so long? i guess reason number on would be the chalk on the shaft problem. am i the only one that could care less how much chalk gets into my shaft?? ill take a more solid piece of wood over a dirty cue any day.
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Here's my prediction - one day, those long, white ferrules will be a retro look, like whitewall tires on cars.

I have gotten use to the short ferrule, and I like the fact that it doesn't distract my visual attention. I shot with a 1" long bright white ferruled shaft the other day, and the it looked terrible to me - like a loaf of bread riding on my stroke.

Chris
 
another thing id like to note here, on this whole "less is more" philosophy... is that for a while there mark tadd was bringing one piece house cues into pool rooms and of course shooting lights out with them. he would claim stuff like "its all one piece, no deflection, no joint" blah blah something or other. im misquoting him because i could not hear directly. anyway, everybody thought he was crazy, including myself.... yet everybody knows how he played, so maybe he was onto something?
 
I remember reading somewhere that cues had an ivory ferrule that encased and protected the end of the shaft wood from splitting. This ferrule was the primary striking surface of the cue until leather tips were invented then used in conjunction with that ferrule. Therefore the ferrule was old tech with the leather tip being new tech added to it to improve the playability of the cue. There are different feels and performance factors related to the different methods of protecting the end wood of a shaft so there is still definitely a place for ferrule usage. I do think other than liking the way a cue looks, sites or plays with a ferrule it'd have to be their very strong traditional factor that keeps them around as a fiber or carbon fiber pad alone tends to effectively accomplish the basic task of protecting the end wood.
 
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Crazy thing is with all this discussion, ... I came up with the idea to get rid of the ferrule about 15 years ago or so for all the "new reasons" that people come up with today. And then, I found out Bob Jewett already came up with the idea and had it implemented long before I ever thought about it.

Fred <~~~ never has an original idea
 
Compare for me....

The only LD shaft I've shot with is a 314-2, how would ya'll compare a shaft with no ferrule to a 314-2 as far as deflection and hit is concerned?
 
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