why are the british the best in the world?

Well Ron hos only partially accomplished his goal. Over 5,000 views based on a ridiculous, unsupported premise. As I mentioned, facts are stubborn things. I don't blame him. The boards are boring lately and any stimulus is welcome.

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Well Ron hos only partially accomplished his goal. Over 5,000 views based on a ridiculous, unsupported premise. As I mentioned, facts are stubborn things. I don't blame him. The boards are boring lately and any stimulus is welcome.

The facts are there for us all to see. Which other country has produced champions in virtually all the major cue sports?

Factually, please.
 
To sort of answer the original question, I think it's because the game forces the players to develop good fundamentals and because of the TV history of the game, there has been enough money in it to motivate more players to do the hard work it takes to become better.

But UKers are not the best at all aspects of cue sports.

Maybe not, but we are the clear winner in the round.

Your tv point neglects all the great players before the 80s.
 
Well Ron hos only partially accomplished his goal. Over 5,000 views based on a ridiculous, unsupported premise. As I mentioned, facts are stubborn things. I don't blame him.

The boards are boring lately and any stimulus is welcome.

And, therein, lies ^^^^^ The Truth.
 
Hmmm, but then surely the 3 cushion players would be migrating to snooker to clean up where the money is?

No, that is the same ridiculous assumption that started this. I think you missed my point. I'm saying that the various cue disciplines are different enough that saying someone is good at one because they are good at another is not very good logic.


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So which major cue sports don't count since the British did not produce a champion in it?

Tally Ho!

The facts are there for us all to see. Which other country has produced champions in virtually all the major cue sports?

Factually, please.
 
More people play one pocket than english 8 ball.

One pocket is an american pool game, innit? American pool has already been covered by the british (and conquered, obviously).

I'm sorry this is confusing for you.

But, whilst you're trolling for a change, would you care to enlighten me on how many one pocket leagues there are in america? We can then do a reasonable comparison with the tens of thousands of league teams in the uk, ireland, france, australia, new zealand and, no doubt, many other countries that primarily play english pool.

Off you pop.
 
In the spirit of the 4th of the July, time for a bump.

The UK is indeed a top 5 cue sport country/nation, especially in tournaments, but I think the Filipinos are still the overall best. They can play 3 cushion (I don't like to penis measure the difficulty of cue sport games against one another, but 3 cushion is the hardest cue sport on the planet. The imagination those players display is unrivaled), all the major variants of American pool, and they are typically the best at one pocket and 15 ball rotation, which are probably the most difficult variants. And Orcollo did well in Chinese 8 ball, which is not a major cue sport and is basically English 8 ball on a heated 9 foot table, so of course the British contingent would do well.

Snewka this, snewka that. Great game, indeed, but the OP, like all UK cue sport fans overrate its worldwide appeal. It's not at all big outside of the UK, and probably shares cue sport popularity in Australia/Canada with English pool and American pool. I also find it funny when he said the US has a lot people who play snooker seriously. Lol no. The same handful of guys (mostly immigrants) have participated in the US Snooker Championship for the past decade. Then Corey took it up as a hobby for a year and easily beat all of them. Alex did the same thing up North. Silly games like English Billiards are even more insular (ever see a 600 point nursery carom?)

American pool is probably the "hardest" cue sport to do well in on a worldwide stage since the talent pool you have to compete against is vastly larger than any other cue sport. It's the 2nd most popular sport outright in the Philippines (a nation of 98 million) after basketball, it's of course our most popular cue sport, Taipei's most popular cue sport, it's the most popular cue sport in Western Europe sans the UK (Germany, Scandinavia, etc don't play snooker), and is probably as equally as popular in China as snooker, maybe much more so, especially with all the popular female players China has produced.

So on that point, the success of Appleton is impressive (I don't think he's the world's best pool player, just the world's best tourney player. I'd have him as an underdog against Orcollo, Ko, Alex, and a few others in a long race challenge match) but other than him and maybe Shaw and Boyes, no Brit has really impressed at the world's most competitive cue sport: American pool and its variants.

We just need to get some kind of structured league/tour going, considering how popular it is. Prize money really should be higher than snooker. It's just that no one will watch it in the US, like Brits do snooker, meaning no television ratings=no sponsors=no money. Shame.
 
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In the spirit of the 4th of the July, time for a bump.

The UK is indeed a top 5 cue sport country/nation, especially in tournaments, but I think the Filipinos are still the overall best. They can play 3 cushion (I don't like to penis measure the difficulty of cue sport games against one another, but 3 cushion is the hardest cue sport on the planet. The imagination those players display is unrivaled), all the major variants of American pool, and they are typically the best at one pocket and 15 ball rotation, which are probably the most difficult variants. And Orcollo did well in Chinese 8 ball, which is not a major cue sport and is basically English 8 ball on a heated 9 foot table, so of course the British contingent would do well.

Snewka this, snewka that. Great game, indeed, but the OP, like all UK cue sport fans overrate its worldwide appeal. It's not at all big outside of the UK, and probably shares cue sport popularity in Australia/Canada with English pool and American pool. I also find it funny when he said the US has a lot people who play snooker seriously. Lol no. The same handful of guys (mostly immigrants) have participated in the US Snooker Championship for the past decade. Then Corey took it up as a hobby for a year and easily beat all of them. Alex did the same thing up North. Silly games like English Billiards are even more insular (ever see a 600 point nursery carom?)

American pool is probably the "hardest" cue sport to do well in on a worldwide stage since the talent pool you have to compete against is vastly larger than any other cue sport. It's the 2nd most popular sport outright in the Philippines (a nation of 98 million) after basketball, it's of course our most popular cue sport, Taipei's most popular cue sport, it's the most popular cue sport in Western Europe sans the UK (Germany, Scandinavia, etc don't play snooker), and is probably as equally as popular in China as snooker, maybe much more so, especially with all the popular female players China has produced.

So on that point, the success of Appleton is impressive (I don't think he's the world's best pool player, just the world's best tourney player. I'd have him as an underdog against Orcollo, Ko, Alex, and a few others in a long race challenge match) but other than him and maybe Shaw and Boyes, no Brit has really impressed at the world's most competitive cue sport: American pool and its variants.

We just need to get some kind of structured league/tour going, considering how popular it is. Prize money really should be higher than snooker. It's just that no one will watch it in the US, like Brits do snooker, meaning no television ratings=no sponsors=no money. Shame.

I don´t like you did bump this thread because(IMO) it is trolling thread... But good post. I agree most of your opinions. Only western europe DO play Snooker TOO.. Not like U.K but they have places and players and competitions. That differs from country to country how much it is played though.
 
In Lacrosse they are the best because it's their national sport and everybody plays it there.
Not just healthy young men and boys but housekeepers and wealthy girls and women as well.
It could bee seen even in courts:wink:Judges,victims and accuseds play it regularly during lawsuits:eek::eek::eek:
 
I don´t like you did bump this thread because(IMO) it is trolling thread... But good post. I agree most of your opinions. Only western europe DO play Snooker TOO.. Not like U.K but they have places and players and competitions. That differs from country to country how much it is played though.

I also bumped with a reply since the OP has been banned for like two months and I never had a chance to reply.

I know Europe plays snooker outside of the UK, but (correct me if I'm wrong), I think pool is taken more "seriously" in most European countries. It seemed after Souquet, Ortmann, and Mika made a name for themselves on the PBT, more and more European players took up the game and the fields in tournaments are more diverse than ever before.

But I also know Europe has had a strong 14.1 tradition even before Souquet, et al became known.
 
In the spirit of the 4th of the July, time for a bump.

The UK is indeed a top 5 cue sport country/nation, especially in tournaments, but I think the Filipinos are still the overall best. They can play 3 cushion (I don't like to penis measure the difficulty of cue sport games against one another, but 3 cushion is the hardest cue sport on the planet. The imagination those players display is unrivaled),
Agreed
all the major variants of American pool, and they are typically the best at one pocketNobody plays one pocket in the Phillipines. They are good at it because they play 15 ball rotation and carom games. and 15 ball rotation, which are probably the most difficult variants. And Orcollo did well in Chinese 8 ball, which is not a major cue sport and is basically English 8 ball on a heated 9 foot table, so of course the British contingent would do well.

Snewka this, snewka that. Great game, indeed, but the OP, like all UK cue sport fans overrate its worldwide appeal. LOL. Snooker is played all over Asia, Europe and especially in the former British colonies. Eurosport which broadcasts all over Europe shows snooker for weeks at a time. They've shown Eurotour pool maybe twice in the last 10 years and then only for an hour, and I always look for it..China has a huge number of snooker players as well. It's the third most watched sport in China after football and NBA basketball.It's not at all big outside of the UK, and probably shares cue sport popularity in Australia/Canada with English pool and American pool. You MUST be joking! You can't pay people in any non Asian country to watch American pool (with the possible exception of Mosconi Cup, which still isn't that popular. UK pool is popular as a pub game all over the world, especially in former colonies, but again you'd have to forcefully restrain people to make them watch one minute of UK pool on TV. I also find it funny when he said the US has a lot people who play snooker seriously. Lol no. The US is probably the worst place in the West and Asia for snooker in the world. You'd have to go to Africa for a worse snooker area. The same handful of guys (mostly immigrants) have participated in the US Snooker Championship for the past decade. Then Corey took it up as a hobby for a year and easily beat all of them. Alex did the same thing up North. Silly games like English Billiards are even more insular (ever see a 600 point nursery carom?)Wrong again. That kind of thing doesn't happen in English billiards anymore. They revised the rules. But I agree that it's an insular game, played by a handful.

American pool is probably the "hardest" cue sport to do well in on a worldwide stage since the talent pool you have to compete against is vastly larger than any other cue sport. L O L It's the 2nd most popular sport outright in the Philippines (a nation of 98 million) after basketball, it's of course our most popular cue sport, Taipei's most popular cue sport, it's the most popular cue sport in Western Europe sans the UK (Germany, Scandinavia, etc don't play snooker) Wrong again. Scandianavia and Germany both watch and play snooker. The sport may be smaller in active number of serious players, but in mass appeal it's not even close. Refer to previous tv coverage comment., and is probably as equally as popular in China as snooker, maybe much more so, especially with all the popular female players China has produced.

So on that point, the success of Appleton is impressive (I don't think he's the world's best pool player, just the world's best tourney player. That is what the worlds best player means. I'm by no means an Appleton fan, but I'm sick and tired of his accomplishments being put down in this fashion. I'd have him as an underdog against Orcollo, Ko, Alex, and a few others in a long race challenge match)Long range challenge matches are contrived nonsense. No sport settles who the best is this way, and for good reason. but other than him and maybe Shaw and Boyes, no Brit has really impressed at the world's most competitive cue sport: American pool and its variants. A lot of brits have done well at pool. On the Eurotour they've done very well (for instance Gray, Mellling). Melling did pretty well in the world championship as well. Davis also came quite far a couple of times.
We just need to get some kind of structured league/tour going, considering how popular it is. Prize money really should be higher than snooker. It's just that no one will watch it in the US, like Brits do snooker, meaning no television ratings=no sponsors=no money. Shame.

Sponsor money is non existant because nobody will watch in the US or Europe, the western world. It's been tried but the result is always the same. LOL at price money should be higher...Price money in snooker is high because people in the West actually watch it, so you can selll ad time. It's that simple and you understand it. Others have expressed conspiratorial views on the matter, but it's all really simple.

Many Americans have a very insular view of the world, and there is really no excuse to. It shows in how you rate the popularity of the various games. Google snooker and China, see what comes up. I guess you've been a superpower so long, you don't bother to look at any other country. I've officially given up on explaining where my country actually is to Americans, lol.

I'm not one of the snooker trolls that tries to put down pool. I love playing it and watching it as well. But facts are facts. Money brings recruitment and serious training. Recruitment and serious training=more skilled players. The level in snooker at the moment is so high that even Alex pagulayan struggles to qualify into the pro tour...And he's a top pro that actually plays snooker well. Others would have no chance at all.
 
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