Why is sharking considered such bad form on this forum?

chin0 said:
Here is what I experience today at the Pool Room. Two older gentlement (They looked more like dirty farmers) came in and while I was down shooting, one walked directly in my shooting line and the other walked behind me and knicked my shoes because he sort of dragged his feet. I didn't make much of it because they were older guys and I was raised to respect my elders. So as I keep shooting, one of them, I call Green, was shooting, his jeans were right under his a$$, and his shirt wasn't long, so when he bends to shoot, his a$$ was literally hanging out with no underwear, which was very distracting and that is putting it lightly as well. The other elderly male which I would refer to as Glass, he was shooting and screaming racial slurs, one that I heard very clearly was ,"Dammit, god damn cotton pickers!" I heard and was also very istraught by his language, but anyhow, that was what made me leave early today.
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some people would argue that racism is dead now that obama is president. unfortunately i run into situations like this all the time so i know it just isn't true.

you did the right thing leaving early for sure. guys like that are walking around looking for trouble.
 
explain this please

A guy that looks like a farmer says something about cotton pickers and it is a racial slur? Which race does it refer to? My white father and his entire family hand picked cotton in the Mississippi delta country. I have seen black people picking cotton when I was a child, and lastly I have seen Mexicans picking cotton. Asians were picking vegetables when I rode through the agricultural section of California but I didn't see any cotton for them to pick. Maybe they are the privileged characters.

What you quoted didn't have any indication of race so I am a little confused.

Hu


chin0 said:
Here is what I experience today at the Pool Room. Two older gentlement (They looked more like dirty farmers) came in and while I was down shooting, one walked directly in my shooting line and the other walked behind me and knicked my shoes because he sort of dragged his feet. I didn't make much of it because they were older guys and I was raised to respect my elders. So as I keep shooting, one of them, I call Green, was shooting, his jeans were right under his a$$, and his shirt wasn't long, so when he bends to shoot, his a$$ was literally hanging out with no underwear, which was very distracting and that is putting it lightly as well. The other elderly male which I would refer to as Glass, he was shooting and screaming racial slurs, one that I heard very clearly was ,"Dammit, god damn cotton pickers!" I heard and was also very istraught by his language, but anyhow, that was what made me leave early today.
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ShootingArts said:
A guy that looks like a farmer says something about cotton pickers and it is a racial slur? Which race does it refer to? My white father and his entire family hand picked cotton in the Mississippi delta country. I have seen black people picking cotton when I was a child, and lastly I have seen Mexicans picking cotton. Asians were picking vegetables when I rode through the agricultural section of California but I didn't see any cotton for them to pick. Maybe they are the privileged characters.

What you quoted didn't have any indication of race so I am a little confused.

Hu
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I lived in the South (Arkansas) during 67 and 68. I was old enough to know what was going on and believe me during that time period cotton picker was a racial insult.

- Dave
 
Lots of good replies here, so thanks for keeping this civil.

One thing I should have mentioned -- for whatever reason, interfering visually with another's sight line is verboten -- and that I would never do. Guess I should have made that clear in the opening post.

But if I can throw a guy off his game in any other way, well, that's part of the game, seems to me.

But even visual sharking is done in baseball. Larry Walker used to play the best right field I've ever seen. When a long ball was hit to him with a runner on first, he would deke as if the ball was gonna fly over his shoulder. Seeing that, the baserunner would take off for second. Walker would then calmly catch the fly, nail the runner at second, and be admired by 50,000 fans for his ingenious play.

Not trying to argue, just sayin'....
 
Why is sharking considered such bad form on this forum?

Sharking is cheating. It's wrong. It should be dealt with severly.
 
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The word sharking simply means distracting the player who is at the table.The rules of the game do not allow any maneuvers that distract the player at the table.
Pool game REQUIRES FINE MOTOR SKILLS as opposed to GROSS MOTOR SKILLS like in other sports like tennis,baseball,football etc.It is widely believed that distractions NEGATIVLY impact any task that reqires the usage of FINE MOTOR SKILLS.Hence the rules are made to make sharking illegal.

hustling is a different topic.I do not agree with our friend and teacher SJM`s analogy of comparing hustling with banking and investment brokers.simply put, hustling is a form ARTof playing the game by not showing all your skills when they were not necessary to beat an opponent.skills will be displayed only as needed.Infact husting is a sign of humility/humbleness /modesty as opposed to showing off.
Hustling is NOT fraud when it is used on a suspecting fellow pool player.Hustling MAY or MAY NOT be considered fraud if it is used against a unsuspecting grand mother.Wasn`t the grand mother greedy ? did she not want to rob the guy`s money? Cheers
 
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JimS said:
Why is sharking considered such bad form on this forum?

Sharking is cheating. It's wrong. It should be dealt with severly.
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Good response. Larry Walker faking in right field ain't cheating.
 
Every time a sharking thread pops up, I am practically forced to post about one player who has taken his hits from many in the pool world. It's Cliff Joyner. In spite of his faults (we all have them), Cliff somehow even now, with an obvious injury still doesn't resort to sharking to win. He has been sharked but I have never seen him shark someone else. No need to go to the other places.

With all of the sharking that goes on, I would like to see a "golden list" of non-sharkers, maybe something for other pool players to aspire to.

A hustle as many others have already noted has little to do with a sharking. The hustle beguiles the mark while the shark stoops even lower to the point of attempting to reduce your opponent's ability to play well enough for them to win.

In all honesty, I have used both in the past, on deserving people as I like to justify :smile: but unfortunately that probably isn't true in all of the cases. :o

JoeyA
 
I'll add my little tidbit :D

Sharking - it's no more than bad sportsmanship, period. If you intentionally make noises or do something to make your opponent miss, some type of cheap shot, you are pathetic. Beat them with your game. This type of sharking may very well end with a deserved trip to the hosiptal.

The indirect shark - in between games, you make a comment like, "man, you shoot strong.....which eye do you focus with more?" I haven't yet decided if this is gamesmanship or sharking. For those of you that play golf and end up with a jerk during a tourney, you can use something similar to ruin his day - "you make a strong move through the ball - do you breathe in or out just before contact".......after that, he is done for the day - try it out some time :D

Hustling - like sharking, I think there are two types. If you are gambling and making moves against your own kind, no big deal. It's kind of like a code between theives. I think there are a number of gamblers here that could honestly say they were out hustled and can smile about it. I think this is fine.

Hustling, the bad version - there are a number of folks who work hard and like to gamble a little. They aren't great, but they don't mind matching up against buddies or in an even game for a few dollars. They play to the best of their ability and don't mind losing, but they refuse to get cheated out of it. These are honest folk who just wanna have a little fun. But, it they find out they've been taken, some old country boys got no problem giving out a severe beating. I'd say this is the type of hustling most on here don't prefer. For an example, see how Eddie gets his casts in the Hustler.
 
Recall the macth where Earl said something to Archer? Archer was scoping out how to address a difficult layout when Earl said something like "would you just hit the ball?!!!" Archer replied something like "When it's your turn you can talk all you want to. Until then you just shut-up!"

Archer was visibily distracted and badly missed. Total shark (regardless of Earl's intention)!

I disagree that good playing is the answer to overcoming a move and that somehow makes some sharking acceptable. The best get knocked off their game too.

That being said, sharking happens all the time, intentional or not, and you better have thick skin and deal. And different environments, games and circumstances IMO allow for some "lighter" sharking. EX: A finals match in a tourney allows no sharking, period. In your Friday night $2 ring game you can dam near talk about each others mother.

Good sportmanship is exercising good judgment. When someone is playing serious, people need to STFU and play the statue.
 
Hmmmm!

ribdoner said:
Hustling is cool while sharking may result by enduring 17 reps of mo-fo on your melon
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Well Adam then I guess the cat in your avatar was sharked by the dog but was wise enough to get in the first mo-fo on the melon, is that correct??
Dan
 
9BallPaul said:
But even visual sharking is done in baseball. Larry Walker used to play the best right field I've ever seen. When a long ball was hit to him with a runner on first, he would deke as if the ball was gonna fly over his shoulder. Seeing that, the baserunner would take off for second. Walker would then calmly catch the fly, nail the runner at second, and be admired by 50,000 fans for his ingenious play.
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That would be more analogous to hustling than sharking. To change that example to sharking you would have to have a player from the batting team going out to right field and waving his arms or a bat in front of Walker to try to distract him and make it harder for him to catch the ball.
 
Jaden said:
me thinks you got your terms mixed up......


Sharking: intentional distracting of opponent through nefarious means.

Hustling: convincing a sucker he's a whole lot better than he thinks or that you're a whole lot worse than you are.

Jaden
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Hustling is sometimes convincing a sucker he's as good as he thinks he is.
PS; many players see sharks when it's only a tadpole, mostly these people are looking for an excuse to miss.
 
Cliff somehow even now, with an obvious injury still doesn't resort to sharking to win.
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He told me at DCC that a pinched nerve was keeping him out of it. Do you know how it happened?

pj
chgo
 
Sharking

Big Perm said:
I'll add my little tidbit :D

Sharking - it's no more than bad sportsmanship, period. If you intentionally make noises or do something to make your opponent miss, some type of cheap shot, you are pathetic. Beat them with your game. This type of sharking may very well end with a deserved trip to the hosiptal.

The indirect shark - in between games, you make a comment like, "man, you shoot strong.....which eye do you focus with more?" I haven't yet decided if this is gamesmanship or sharking. For those of you that play golf and end up with a jerk during a tourney, you can use something similar to ruin his day - "you make a strong move through the ball - do you breathe in or out just before contact".......after that, he is done for the day - try it out some time :D

Hustling - like sharking, I think there are two types. If you are gambling and making moves against your own kind, no big deal. It's kind of like a code between theives. I think there are a number of gamblers here that could honestly say they were out hustled and can smile about it. I think this is fine.

Hustling, the bad version - there are a number of folks who work hard and like to gamble a little. They aren't great, but they don't mind matching up against buddies or in an even game for a few dollars. They play to the best of their ability and don't mind losing, but they refuse to get cheated out of it. These are honest folk who just wanna have a little fun. But, it they find out they've been taken, some old country boys got no problem giving out a severe beating. I'd say this is the type of hustling most on here don't prefer. For an example, see how Eddie gets his casts in the Hustler.
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Big Perm,
I agree with your post 100%,there's ......

Direct Sharking.....pool at it's lowest form, poor sportsmanship for sure

Indirect Sharking....may or maynot be meant by a player( some of it is, some not)

Hustling...Ok in my book in most cases...especially if your hustling a hustler, good luck!

Hustling a green horn( bad hustling )...not acceptable...not taking a kids lunch money if ya know what I mean


While were on the subject of Sharking, I was wondering about the use of cell phones?..say at the DCC recently, ......

were there phones ringing all the time, lots of chattering people just feet away from a players table talking on a phone?.....

was people holding their arms outstrecth, "like a guy trying to hitch a ride on the highway," with their Video cell phones trying to get pictures or action sent out over the internet?...

if so, this would be one of the biggest Sharks ever for me!.....

or were the use of cell,video phone's prohibited in the Tournament, Action area?

just wondering.....???????


David Harcrow
 
cotton pickers is NOT a racial slur....

ShootingArts said:
A guy that looks like a farmer says something about cotton pickers and it is a racial slur? Which race does it refer to? My white father and his entire family hand picked cotton in the Mississippi delta country. I have seen black people picking cotton when I was a child, and lastly I have seen Mexicans picking cotton. Asians were picking vegetables when I rode through the agricultural section of California but I didn't see any cotton for them to pick. Maybe they are the privileged characters.

What you quoted didn't have any indication of race so I am a little confused.

Hu
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Being originally from Alabama, my whole family used to pick cotton. My mom when she was eight years old would have to pick one hundred pounds of cotton after school every day. Most days, my papal would help her get her 100 pnds but that didn't mean that she wasn't a cotton picker.

The derogatory term "dirty cotton picker" was a class based slur rather than a racist slur.

Jaden
 
Patrick Johnson said:
He told me at DCC that a pinched nerve was keeping him out of it. Do you know how it happened?

pj
chgo
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No I don't. I believe someone said that Cliff said it was because of the long amounts of time he has spent at the table.

I wish you would have stayed around for a while longer at DCC. It would have been nice to say more than, "Yes, I am JoeyA; it's nice to meet you". lol
 
distractions

Yes, sharking in pool is a distraction, intentional or otherwise, which might cause a player to miss or mess up the shot.......when you bring up baseball as another example of "sharking" type actions, how about a basketball player when he's at the free throw line? I'm sure you've seen what I'm talking about....
 
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