Why reds and yellows in Accu-stats 8 ball?

brandoncook26

brandoncook26

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I understand that you can see the two groups, but it really diminishes the commentary when they say "I think he's going to shoot the second yellow from the bottom left".

No one plays with the colored balls and I would much rather see stripes and solids. Makes it feel much more like the game I play. I guess I just prefer traditional balls in 8 ball.

I know there was a discussion prior, but I didn't know what decision they had come to until I bought the day matches. Any opinions???
 
brandoncook26 said:
I understand that you can see the two groups, but it really diminishes the commentary when they say "I think he's going to shoot the second yellow from the bottom left".

No one plays with the colored balls and I would much rather see stripes and solids. Makes it feel much more like the game I play. I guess I just prefer traditional balls in 8 ball.

I know there was a discussion prior, but I didn't know what decision they had come to until I bought the day matches. Any opinions???
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its easier to see on TV, less confusing to the viewiers
 
John Novak said:
its easier to see on TV, less confusing to the viewiers
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I dont buy this argument.

If there are three yellow balls by a corner pocket what does the player call? Yellow ball in the pocket? Does he go point to it? How does the commentator explain patterns?

I get the idea behind it I just dont think its for me. One thing is certain though...he who puts up the dough picks the game so they can roll anyway they want.
 
I like it, looks good on video. We all know what balls they are going for, if they call the yellow in the corner and there are 3 of them there we can still figure it out because we play pool and the combos will be obvious too. I have played 8 ball like this in NY, its different for sure but never saw any problems. The only problem might be for the commentators explaining it once in awhile, no big deal.
 
John Novak said:
its easier to see on TV, less confusing to the viewiers
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It may be difficult to distinguish between the 2 and 4 ball, but seeing stripes and solids is very easy. And with accu-stats high def, seeing the difference in balls is very easy.

I just don't like it personally, but what do I know. The viewers are all pretty much hardcore pool players anyway. It's not like we're appealing to mass audience.
 
I just bought it...not my thing. Between Danny D and the yellows and reds I made it about ten minutes.

Stream is solid as always.
 
FWIW, this is what it's like to play "English 8 ball".

It's played on small tables with round cut pockets. Reds, Yellows and the Black is what you are playing with.


Eric
 
Eric. said:
FWIW, this is what it's like to play "English 8 ball".

It's played on small tables with round cut pockets. Reds, Yellows and the Black is what you are playing with.


Eric
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Who cares their not playing "English Eight Ball".
 
"He wants to shoot the red in the corner to get around for the red in the corner. Then he'll shoot the other red in the side."

"Wait a minute, don't get behind that other yellow."

I'm done. I can't take the commentary. I was excited about the 8 ball, but personally the balls take away from the match. I'll just put in some 8 ball invitational DVDs from 2001.
 
itsfroze said:
Who cares their not playing "English Eight Ball".
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Actually, more like "who cares too much"?

Does it really make that big of a diff it it's stripes/solids or red/yellow?

At the end of the day, it's the same game. To avoid issues, just call any shot that is not a straight cut i.e. any banks, combos or multi rail banks.


Eric
 
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Aramith dropped the ball... There was supposed to be a set of reds and yellows with numbers created for the event but they missed the project date....

The reds and yellows do make pattern recognition easier and they are growing on me... The commentators are using the telestrator to point out ambiguous shots... All and all I don't see a problem except they are different... If the Aramith set had been produced I don't think anyone could have had much to say negatively besides that.....
 
Eric. said:
Actually, more like "who cares too much"?

Does it really make that big of a diff it it's stripes/solids or red/yellow?

At the end of the day, it's the same game. To avoid issues, just call any shot that is not a straight cut i.e. any banks, combos or multi rail banks.


Eric
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I agree I dont see the big deal with using reds and yellow......The players dont seem to have a problem with it.. Its the same game...I can see this thread will be beat to death for 40 pages....
 
In the early 1980's the BCA national 8B championships (before the BCAPL) were played with unnumbered reds and yellows. At the same time the rules of eight ball were revised to remove any call shot requirement other than for the eight. The original rules for eight ball (1925 or so) were written for reds and yellows. A brief history of the rules of eight ball are here: http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/2002-02.pdf
 
Although I was hoping to see a standard full color ball set, this does work well on the stream. I do think the standard set of TV or regular balls wouldn't have presented a problem with how clear the stream is.

One benefit I do see is that patterns do appear more like color coded connect the dots with the red and yellow balls. If they were numbered that would have been pretty helpful for Danny and Billy. The commentary sounds a bit like 8ball and snooker mixed with all the mention of the ball color on almost every shot.

Great stuff though! Wish I could have gotten free to get there!!! arrgghh it's only 20 minutes from me!

Kevin
 
brandoncook26 said:
I understand that you can see the two groups, but it really diminishes the commentary when they say "I think he's going to shoot the second yellow from the bottom left".
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Commentators need to stop that crap of trying to detail out the entire rack anyhow. They do not do it in snooker, they let the players play the game and only comment when interesting situations arise. Way too many pool commentators think it is their job to attempt to guess the entire runout pattern after the break, that is not what they are there for and it is annoying as all hell.
 
This isn't new, i was playing with yellow and reds 20 years ago.

But some folks sound like my 98yr old grandmother "what is it with thems crazy kids and their plastic cards that work like money and what are thems devils machines that give you money without having to go into the bank and talk to the manager????"...lol
 
Eric. said:
Actually, more like "who cares too much"?

Does it really make that big of a diff it it's stripes/solids or red/yellow?





Eric
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Yes it really does make that much of a difference, especially when you'll have to hear the commentators stumbling over themselves trying to describe the shots and people still won't even know what they said.
The idea is to get more interest in the game, not turn people off by making it more confusing for no reason at all. Not well thought out to say the least.
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"At the end of the day, it's the same game. To avoid issues, just call any shot that is not a straight cut i.e. any banks, combos or multi rail banks.
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Yes and how that's done is by calling the # on the ball, oh I forgot they
decided to use balls with no #'s.

Have any idea what using red and yellow balls was supposed to accomplish besides not selling any off the DVD'S to me?
 
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