Wolford Wrong Cueing Against Alcaide @ 4-4 Mosconi Cup

Island Drive

Island Drive

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When the score was 4-4 and Wolford cut the ball in the upper corner pocket (and scratched in the foot corner pocket) he cued whitey low.
He was making sure he controlled the cue ball upon contact to make sure he pocketed that ball, BUT after watching his choice/outcome, he should of used a touch of high inside spin release (roughly 11 o'clock) or a rolling clip shot, because all great players have a great feel for the inside spin release that causes the cue ball to turn slightly outward and clip the ball in. If he did this, he would of never even come close to the foot corner pocket/scratch.
 
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I recall that shot. So are you saying the cue ball would have then hit the opposite short rail (and not scratch), or not travel far enough to scratch? The second outcome seems risky to me on fast cloth and with distance involved.
 
axejunkie said:
I recall that shot. So are you saying the cue ball would have then hit the opposite short rail (and not scratch), or not travel far enough to scratch? The second outcome seems risky to me on fast cloth and with distance involved.
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If you noticed, he had Draw on the cue ball upon contact bringing in the other balls and pocket on the long rail into play.
He was just supposed to ''clip'' the ball that was close to the upper pocket, going up and back, allowing no way for a hook or any scratch.
 
Island Drive said:
When the score was 4-4 and Wolford cut the ball in the upper corner pocket (and scratched in the foot corner pocket) he cued whitey low.
He was making sure he controlled the cue ball upon contact to make sure he pocketed that ball, BUT after watching his choice/outcome, he should of used a touch of high inside spin release (roughly 11 o'clock) or a rolling clip shot, because all great players have a great feel for the inside spin release that causes the cue ball to turn slightly outward and clip the ball in. If he did this, he would have never even come close to the foot corner pocket/scratch.
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This is the 2nd thread you’ve started recently regarding what you feel was an incorrect play by a pro player in a match. Don’t you have anything better to start a thread with?
 
Island Drive said:
If you noticed, he had Draw on the cue ball upon contact bringing in the other balls and pocket on the long rail into play.
He was just supposed to ''clip'' the ball that was close to the upper pocket, going up and back, allowing no way for a hook or any scratch.
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He plays about 369 Fargo rate points above me, nonetheless I think up and down with inside can be brutally hard from that distance. I don't see many pros shooting that shot, but maybe it just doesn't come up often.
 
Sounds like you should tell me what I should do or not do.
Since I ran the BCA instructors program when they moved to the springs I just thought, like Dr Dave Does at times, some might want to learn something beneficial to their game.

Anywho, like Jason Shaw said in his MRoom day in the life of a pro, Social media allows people to disrespect others.
Some say he's got it right, what do you think.?

Have a merry Xmas and a wonderful time with your family.
Didn't mean to upset your world.
Bye. :)

bm
 
axejunkie said:
He plays about 369 Fargo rate points above me, nonetheless I think up and down with inside can be brutally hard from that distance. I don't see many pros shooting that shot, but maybe it just doesn't come up often.
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Inside release, what all pros use on Many rolling cue ball shots, allows the shooter control of the spin release moment, no different than when a player realizes when draw is in transition and cue ball stops spinning backwards.
 
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I think one of the best ways to improve your tactical game is by identifying the mistakes that the players BETTER than you make. Woolford definitely made a mistake here. I'm not really sure what he was trying to do. He could have cued it that way and hit it 50% softer, while trying to lag the cue ball into position along the side rail. Slower speed and the cue ball tracks different off that first rail. Maybe he could have used no English at all and went right past the 9 ball and back towards position. Maybe a hair of inside would work here too. It's hard to tell without setting it up.

Interesting shot.
 
Island Drive said:
... he cued whitey low. ...
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I don't think he hit it low or at least it cannot be seen on the view we have on YouTube. In any case, at that speed the cue ball will be rolling smoothly on the cloth (full follow) by the time it gets to the 6 ball. He could have hit the ball either thicker or thinner and he wouldn't have scratched.
 
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Island Drive said:
When the score was 4-4 and Wolford cut the ball in the upper corner pocket (and scratched in the foot corner pocket) he cued whitey low.
He was making sure controlled the cue ball and pocketed his ball, BUT after watching his choice/outcome, he should of used a touch of high inside spin (roughly 11 o'clock), because all great players have a great feel for the inside spin release that causes the cue ball to turn slightly outward and clip the ball in. If he did this, he would have never even come close to the foot corner pocket/scratch.
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First the McMinn thread and now this? You should post your contact info so in the future when a pro is in a though spot they can reach out to you and ask what they should do. Sheesh.
 
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Wolford hit that with a bit of outside it appears. Anytime you are in that corner diamond box, you risk scratching. Best to hit it w/Inside, (I know, it is exceptionally thin but it is makeable. I practice these.)
Island is right; A PRO should know if I know.
 
axejunkie said:
He plays about 369 Fargo rate points above me, nonetheless I think up and down with inside can be brutally hard from that distance. I don't see many pros shooting that shot, but maybe it just doesn't come up often.
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Inside English on brand new super tight cloth can squirt and be unpredictable. Cueball rolls over and does some paradoxical movements.
 
Not trying to brag, but it has pulled me out of a bad spot in matches. And YES, Even w/practice I miss them a lot.
 
SBC said:
Inside English on brand new super tight cloth can squirt and be unpredictable. Cueball rolls over and does some paradoxical movements.
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A high rolling slightly inside cueing is a very often used execution manner by top pros for long distance, and in close shots, to change the cue ball angle coming of the object ball.
The release ''feel'' (I call it unwinding) of the cue ball (is a developed ''feel'' top players get, identical to when draw comes off the cue ball).
This feel when the cue ball beings its ''natural roll'' creates cue ball movement that redirects slightly outward.
Also, and extremely important, there is NO object ball rotation when shot this way.... because, it ''clips'' the object ball when the collision occurrs, whereas outside cueing when striking that ball often puts rotation on that object ball making it easy to dbl the pocket and ''hang up''.

bm
 
axejunkie said:
He plays about 369 Fargo rate points above me, nonetheless I think up and down with inside can be brutally hard from that distance. I don't see many pros shooting that shot, but maybe it just doesn't come up often.
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I was playing with a real fast friend and asked how he dealt with a shot I find particularly tough.

'i don't shoot that shot' was his answer.
 
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