World 10 Ball Silence

[bandido]

Now it is confirmed that top 3, Darren Appleton, Chia Ching Wu (someone posted about Wu earlier in this thread) and Niels Feijen are all waiting for payment from Raya... None of them have received the payment today.

Now the banks are about to close in Europe, so Darren and Niels will not receive it before earliest tomorrow, Tuesday.

Lee Chenman of Hong Kong. Roy, do you have the capability to post the In-the-money WTBC finishers and their corresponding prize money here? A checklist of some sort that may give us all a clearer picture?

Sorry, I didn't keep tabs of the tournament while it was on-going. I was down south for my son's birthday and didn't think that TV and newspaper were more important than enjoying the white sand with the kids.

 

[Renegade]

Sorry, I didn't keep tabs of the tournament while it was on-going. I was down south for my son's birthday and didn't think that TV and newspaper were more important than enjoying the white sand with the kids.

No need to apologize, edwin. you've already done everyone a service by keeping us in the loop, such as it is. Sadly, we've heard nothing at all from the people responsible for this debacle.

 

[sputnik]

What does collaboration mean here? You mean business partner? Or Joint Venture on the business? Is BSCP getting a share in the money (assuming there was money made) that the WTB made?

You know Monskie, even I am confused with how to differentiate BSCP from Raya. There was a directive for the NSA's to generate their own money to fund the development of amateur sports in the grass-root level. You think that happens or do you think that Raya enjoys whatever WTB rakes in? What is the essence of Raya as a partner of BSCP? In between is a funnel that cuts through the supposed non-profit nature of a National Sport Association.

You mean as a business partner, it is BSCP's role to do an audit on the Raya event? Is the funding for what BSCP will use for the Juniors coming from the proceeds from the WTB?

Didn't Makabenta say that the BSCP encompasses all the stakeholders, everyone and everything in Philippine pool? BSCP should reprimand Raya for not paying everyone ASAP. But Makabenta will look funny scolding himself. Raya used government money for WTB. PSC, through the same PAGCOR funds, will send the BSCP players abroad.

I'm getting confused...

I don't blame you, Pal. Even Makabenta is confused.

What gets me is that all the people who went to WTB and had the privilege of being sweet-talked by Makabenta did not even try to reach any BMPAP member for a different perspective. So there is only one side of the coin that is being argued for Makabenta here. And the arguments are as if all's well that ends well just because Pulpul and the Americans were already paid. Until Wu and Appleton and all the rest (including the refs) are paid, your loyalty is being snickered at by somebody hiding behind arguments in this forum. Silencing people with partial payment is one thing. Getting others to defend the noble act is another.

JUST PAY UP THE OBLIGATIONS OF THIS SUCCESSFUL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP TO THE PLAYERS WHO HAD SPENT THEIR OWN MONEY FOR THE HONOR OF HAVING THEIR WORLD-CLASS SKILLS USED IN A FANTASTIC BUSINESS VENTURE!

And then I will shut up.

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Jasmin Ouschan just told me that she has received no payment yet.

 

[pro9dg]

The List

Is this what you want Edwin

1 0 Appleton, Darren GBR 100000


2 0 Chia-Ching, Wu TPE 40000


3 0 Feijen, Niels NED 25000


4 0 Pulpul, Demosthenes PHI 15000 Paid

5 0 Haitao, Liu CHN 10000

5 0 Immonen, Mika FIN 10000

5 0 van den Berg, Nick NED 10000

5 0 Williams, Charles USA 10000 Paid

9 0 Banares, Jerico PHI 4500 ????

9 0 Che-Wei, Fu TPE 4500

9 0 Ching-Sun, Yang TPE 4500

9 0 Gray, Mark GBR 4500

9 0 Kawabata, Satoshi JPN 4500

9 0 Manalo, Marlon PHI 4500

9 0 Souquet, Ralf GER 4500

9 0 Van Boening, Shane USA 4500 Paid

17 0 Alcaide, David ESP 3000

17 0 Alwi, Dodong INA 3000

17 0 Arpilleda, Victor PHI 3000 ???

17 0 Chamat, Marcus SWE 3000

17 0 De Luna, Jeff PHI 3000 ???

17 0 Didal, Leonardo PHI 3000 ???

17 0 Edey, Tyler CAN 3000

17 0 Foldes, Vilmos HUN 3000

17 0 Furuta, Kazuo JPN 3000

17 0 Hijikata, Hayato JPN 3000

17 0 Jung-Lin, Chang TPE 3000

17 0 Muratore, Bruno ITA 3000

17 0 Peach, Daryl GBR 3000

17 0 Pin-Yi, Ko TPE 3000

17 0 Ryu, Seung-Woo KOR 3000

17 0 Wilkie, Shaun USA 3000 Paid

33 0 Bautista, Arnel PHI 2000 ???

33 0 Cabello, Carlos ESP 2000

33 0 Chia-Hsiung, Lai TPE 2000

33 0 Chinahov, Ruslan RUS 2000

33 0 Chu, Hung-Ming TPE 2000

33 0 Condo, Louis AUS 2000

33 0 Deuel, Corey USA 2000 Paid

33 0 Dominguez, Ernesto MEX 2000

33 0 Drago, Tony MLT 2000

33 0 Fulcher, Jonni GBR 2000

33 0 Hung-Hsiang, Wang TPE 2000

33 0 Hybler, Roman CZE 2000

33 0 Jeong, Young-Hwa KOR 2000

33 0 Jungo, Dimitri SUI 2000

33 0 Kempter, Martin AUT 2000

33 0 Larsen, Martin DEN 2000

33 0 Liu, Shin-Mei TPE 2000

33 0 Lu, Hui-Chan TPE 2000

33 0 Majid, Imran GBR 2000

33 0 Ming, Wang CHN 2000

33 0 Moore, Stevie USA 2000 Paid

33 0 Oi, Naoyuki JPN 2000

33 0 Ortmann, Oliver GER 2000

33 0 Ouschan, Jasmin AUT 2000

33 0 Petroni, Fabio ITA 2000

33 0 Shuchun, Zhang CHN 2000

33 0 Sing Lilly, Dharminder IND 2000

33 0 Tege, Sascha GER 2000

33 0 Tot, Sandor SRB 2000

33 0 Weigoni, Christian GER 2000

33 0 Woong-Dae, King KOR 2000

33 0 Yang, Ricky INA 2000

65 0 Acaba, Edgar PHI 1000 ???

65 0 Al Bin Ali, Mohd QAT 1000

65 0 Archer, Johnny USA 1000 Paid

65 0 Beaufils, Yannick FRA 1000

65 0 Bin Amir, Ibrahim MAS 1000

65 0 Chen, Ying-Chieh TPE 1000

65 0 Ching, Sit Shun HKG 1000

65 0 Chotipong, Amnuay Porn THA 1000

65 0 Delahunty, James AUS 1000

65 0 Elias, Byron GTM 1000

65 0 Engert, Thomas GER 1000

65 0 Facquet, Vincent FRA 1000

65 0 Hohmann, Thorsten GER 1000

65 0 Hundal, Raj IND 1000

65 0 Juva, Markus FIN 1000

65 0 Kalaquian, Elmer PHI 1000

65 0 Kaplan, Tomasz POL 1000

65 0 Kuo, Po-Cheng TPE 1000

65 0 Kuo-Pin, Wang TPE 1000

65 0 Lee, Po-Hsien TPE 1000

65 0 Man, Lee Chen HKG 1000

65 0 Ouschan, Albin AUT 1000

65 0 Owen, Gabe USA 1000 Paid

65 0 Pey-Wei, Chang TPE 1000

65 0 Reljic, David AUS 1000

65 0 See, Huidji NED 1000

65 0 Shaverdi, Farhard IRI 1000

65 0 Sniegocki, Mateusz POL 1000

65 0 Stepanov, Konstantin RUS 1000

65 0 Tschudi, Marco SUI 1000

65 0 Tuvi, Christian URY 1000

65 0 Yu-Lung, Chang TPE 1000

 

[bandido]

Way to go Doug! Thank you.

1 0 Appleton, Darren GBR 100000


2 0 Chia-Ching, Wu TPE 40000


3 0 Feijen, Niels NED 25000


4 0 Pulpul, Demosthenes PHI 15000 Paid

5 0 Haitao, Liu CHN 10000

5 0 Immonen, Mika FIN 10000

5 0 van den Berg, Nick NED 10000

5 0 Williams, Charles USA 10000 Paid

9 0 Banares, Jerico PHI 4500 ????

9 0 Che-Wei, Fu TPE 4500

9 0 Ching-Sun, Yang TPE 4500

9 0 Gray, Mark GBR 4500

9 0 Kawabata, Satoshi JPN 4500

9 0 Manalo, Marlon PHI 4500

9 0 Souquet, Ralf GER 4500

9 0 Van Boening, Shane USA 4500 Paid

17 0 Alcaide, David ESP 3000

17 0 Alwi, Dodong INA 3000

17 0 Arpilleda, Victor PHI 3000 ???

17 0 Chamat, Marcus SWE 3000

17 0 De Luna, Jeff PHI 3000 ???

17 0 Didal, Leonardo PHI 3000 ???

17 0 Edey, Tyler CAN 3000

17 0 Foldes, Vilmos HUN 3000

17 0 Furuta, Kazuo JPN 3000

17 0 Hijikata, Hayato JPN 3000

17 0 Jung-Lin, Chang TPE 3000

17 0 Muratore, Bruno ITA 3000

17 0 Peach, Daryl GBR 3000

17 0 Pin-Yi, Ko TPE 3000

17 0 Ryu, Seung-Woo KOR 3000

17 0 Wilkie, Shaun USA 3000 Paid

33 0 Bautista, Arnel PHI 2000 ???

33 0 Cabello, Carlos ESP 2000

33 0 Chia-Hsiung, Lai TPE 2000

33 0 Chinahov, Ruslan RUS 2000

33 0 Chu, Hung-Ming TPE 2000

33 0 Condo, Louis AUS 2000

33 0 Deuel, Corey USA 2000 Paid

33 0 Dominguez, Ernesto MEX 2000

33 0 Drago, Tony MLT 2000

33 0 Fulcher, Jonni GBR 2000

33 0 Hung-Hsiang, Wang TPE 2000

33 0 Hybler, Roman CZE 2000

33 0 Jeong, Young-Hwa KOR 2000

33 0 Jungo, Dimitri SUI 2000

33 0 Kempter, Martin AUT 2000

33 0 Larsen, Martin DEN 2000

33 0 Liu, Shin-Mei TPE 2000

33 0 Lu, Hui-Chan TPE 2000

33 0 Majid, Imran GBR 2000

33 0 Ming, Wang CHN 2000

33 0 Moore, Stevie USA 2000 Paid

33 0 Oi, Naoyuki JPN 2000

33 0 Ortmann, Oliver GER 2000

33 0 Ouschan, Jasmin AUT 2000

33 0 Petroni, Fabio ITA 2000

33 0 Shuchun, Zhang CHN 2000

33 0 Sing Lilly, Dharminder IND 2000

33 0 Tege, Sascha GER 2000

33 0 Tot, Sandor SRB 2000

33 0 Weigoni, Christian GER 2000

33 0 Woong-Dae, King KOR 2000

33 0 Yang, Ricky INA 2000

65 0 Acaba, Edgar PHI 1000 ???

65 0 Al Bin Ali, Mohd QAT 1000

65 0 Archer, Johnny USA 1000 Paid

65 0 Beaufils, Yannick FRA 1000

65 0 Bin Amir, Ibrahim MAS 1000

65 0 Chen, Ying-Chieh TPE 1000

65 0 Ching, Sit Shun HKG 1000

65 0 Chotipong, Amnuay Porn THA 1000

65 0 Delahunty, James AUS 1000

65 0 Elias, Byron GTM 1000

65 0 Engert, Thomas GER 1000

65 0 Facquet, Vincent FRA 1000

65 0 Hohmann, Thorsten GER 1000

65 0 Hundal, Raj IND 1000

65 0 Juva, Markus FIN 1000

65 0 Kalaquian, Elmer PHI 1000

65 0 Kaplan, Tomasz POL 1000

65 0 Kuo, Po-Cheng TPE 1000

65 0 Kuo-Pin, Wang TPE 1000

65 0 Lee, Po-Hsien TPE 1000

65 0 Man, Lee Chen HKG 1000

65 0 Ouschan, Albin AUT 1000

65 0 Owen, Gabe USA 1000 Paid

65 0 Pey-Wei, Chang TPE 1000

65 0 Reljic, David AUS 1000

65 0 See, Huidji NED 1000

65 0 Shaverdi, Farhard IRI 1000

65 0 Sniegocki, Mateusz POL 1000

65 0 Stepanov, Konstantin RUS 1000

65 0 Tschudi, Marco SUI 1000

65 0 Tuvi, Christian URY 1000

65 0 Yu-Lung, Chang TPE 1000

Paid so far:
4 0 Pulpul, Demosthenes PHI 15000
5 0 Williams, Charles USA 10000
9 0 Banares, Jerico PHI 4500
9 0 Van Boening, Shane USA 4500
17 0 Arpilleda, Victor PHI 3000
17 0 De Luna, Jeff PHI 3000
17 0 Didal, Leonardo PHI 3000
17 0 Wilkie, Shaun USA 3000
33 0 Bautista, Arnel PHI 2000
33 0 Deuel, Corey USA 2000
33 0 Moore, Stevie USA 2000
65 0 Acaba, Edgar PHI 1000
65 0 Archer, Johnny USA 1000
65 0 Kalaquian, Elmer PHI 1000
65 0 Owen, Gabe USA 1000
Total verified PAID 15 of 128 Players for a total of US$56,000.00 (2,772,000 Pesos at US$1=49.50 Pesos) or 14% of the Advertised Total Prize Fund.

C'mon RAYA/BSCP, I know that you still have a little more than 2.8M Pesos.

 

[bandido]

Jasmin Ouschan just told me that she has received no payment yet.

Oh boy, if Roy was mad before surely he's furious now! Sorry to hear that Jasmin hasn't been paid yet, after the advertised Oct 30 pay-out, Roy.

 

[pro9dg]

Paid so far:
4 Pulpul, Demosthenes PHI 15000
5 Williams , Charles USA 10000
9 Banares, Jerico PHI 4500
9 Van Boening, Shane USA 4500
17 Arpilleda, Victor PHI 3000
17 De Luna, Jeff PHI 3000
17 Didal, Leonardo PHI 3000
17 Wilkie, Shaun USA 3000
33 Bautista, Arnel PHI 2000
33 Deuel, Corey USA 2000
33 Moore, Stevie USA 2000
65 Acaba, Edgar PHI 1000
65 Archer, Johnny USA 1000
65 Kalaquian, Elmer PHI 1000
65 Owen, Gabe USA 1000
Total verified PAID 15 of 128 Players for a total of US$56,000.00 (2,772,000 Pesos at US$1=49.50 Pesos) or 14% of the Advertised Total Prize Fund.

15 out of 96. There were 32 players who had no prize money to come.

Or was that 113?

 

[dynamite]

payment

strange why phillies and states been paid but nobody else..

am pretty sure all euro players recieved nothing as of yet

 

[memikey]

Chin up mate, it's got to be a better sign than no-one at all having been paid. All pulling for you, hang in there.

 

[dynamite]

well

it been a crazy month started on top of the world oct 6th....

then dont make mosconi cup lol and waiting for 4 weeks for payment...

just doesnt make sense why filipinos paid but nobdoy else?

 

[Roy Steffensen]

This is just crazy, and should not happened... Especially not to you Darren. I wish for things to end well, and that the money is on your account tomorrow!

If the money is not in, call Raya first thing in the morning and ask them for receipt. A proof that the money has been transferred. Tell them to fax it immidately, and that if they can't do it you will take legal actions!

You have Dave in Manila, right? He can probably do the paperwork for you regarding lawyers etc...

 

[memikey]

Aye Daz, hard to bear for sure.......but if anybody's mentally equipped to bounce back from it, it's yerself.

They may be making the payments in blocks country-wise or they may be distributing funds as they come in. Publicity pressures etc maybe factors in choosing who first.

It may soon be time for some of the stiff British upper lips to be broken and some real noise made but if I were you I'd give it a few days. Fingers crossed. It's really kack how often somebody seems to have to say that to a pool player waiting for payment these days, but it's meant anyway :frown:

 

[GMAC]

Let's be honest

They may be making the payments in blocks country-wise or they may be distributing funds as they come in. Publicity pressures etc maybe factors in choosing who first.



If the money was held to the end. They should pay first place first and use what every is left over to pay the rest of the field. How do they pay the bottom part of the field before the Champion. No excuses. Daz, is getting screwed. I hope he gets paid - he deserves it. Good luck.

 

[azhousepro]

I am not diametrically opposed to the BMPAP views. I just get tired of hearing all of the negativeness and "I told you so" from their side.

Maybe this is all because here in the US, we are constantly bombarded with political propaganda leading up the elections and this whole Filipino thing is very similar.

You have to take everything you read with a grain of salt, and it is very hard to filter out the truth from the spin.

Whether I agree with the BMPAP or not, they are always welcome to give their point of view on the forums and as long as they don't attack other users, their posts will not be censored in any way.

I hope we can have a civil conversation about this whole thing as adults.

Mike

I would tend to agree with many of the points in John's post.

You are not winning the propoganda war. So a fresh approach is needed. The fact that Mike is so diametrically opposed to your views means that you will make it an uphill srtuggle on this forum. But he too has valid points.

 

[azhousepro]

Wow, I have got to give you props for taking the time out of your day to call the other 113 players and verify that they have not received payment. You have much more free time than I do.

Mike

 

[Roy Steffensen]

Wow, I have got to give you props for taking the time out of your day to call the other 113 players and verify that they have not received payment. You have much more free time than I do.

Mike

If Darren doesn't have the money on his account tomorrow, will you call him then and make an article about it, with comments from him and Yen Makabenta?

 

[Meezer Girl]

it been a crazy month started on top of the world oct 6th....

then dont make mosconi cup lol and waiting for 4 weeks for payment...

just doesnt make sense why filipinos paid but nobdoy else?

It looks like a case of "squeaky wheel gets the grease"

Hang in there and congratulations on the win

 

[memikey]

....If the money was held to the end.

Ok I'll be honest.........I've no idea what that means

They should pay first place first and use what every is left over to pay the rest of the field. How do they pay the bottom part of the field before the Champion. No excuses. Daz, is getting screwed. I hope he gets paid - he deserves it. Good luck.

If we are going into what "should" have happened about payments and what should happen now there could be a lot more said.....but "shoulds" are not what was being discussed nor were any "excuses" whatsoever being made.

What was being questioned by Daz and discussed was not what should happen but WHY the payments made so far might be of this nature and in that context what was posted were simply a few suggestions as to what potentially might be going on now, sticking to potentially positive ones as unfortunately we all already know only too well what the negative view of what might be going on is.

If you want to shoot off at a tangent and discuss "should have happeneds etc" that's fine but please don't go pinning a "making excuses" label on me by taking comments out of context in the course of you changing the subject to that.

God forbid that it comes to it but if there were a shortfall in the total prize fund at the end of the day what "should" happen while that is being sorted out legally isn't necessarily what you have put forward. Many would say that your suggestion is completely unfair and that the fairest method would have been to pay each money winner the same percentage of the prize money which they won as the available total prize money bears to the total published prize money. Let's hope it doesn't come to that anyway.

The fact that those already paid got 100% suggests one of two things........everyone is going to get 100% or nobody else other than those already paid is going to get anything, with the former surely being the favourite at the moment.

 

[ShootingArts]

looks like one of two possibilities

I see it pretty much the same way. Judging by the fact that they are paying off 100% as they go it looks like there are only two real possibilities. One possibility: They have the total prize money or expect to have it in the very near future. The other possibility: They have paid out pretty much all they have trying to keep the uproar down while scrambling to try to get the rest.

All we can do is hope that the first scenario is right.

Hu

Ok I'll be honest.........I've no idea what that means



If we are going into what "should" have happened about payments and what should happen now there could be a lot more said.....but "shoulds" are not what was being discussed nor were any "excuses" whatsoever being made.

What was being questioned by Daz and discussed was not what should happen but WHY the payments made so far might be of this nature and in that context what was posted were simply a few suggestions as to what potentially might be going on now, sticking to potentially positive ones as unfortunately we all already know only too well what the negative view of what might be going on is.

If you want to shoot off at a tangent and discuss "should have happeneds etc" that's fine but please don't go pinning a "making excuses" label on me by taking comments out of context in the course of you changing the subject to that.

God forbid that it comes to it but if there were a shortfall in the total prize fund at the end of the day what "should" happen while that is being sorted out legally isn't necessarily what you have put forward. Many would say that your suggestion is completely unfair and that the fairest method would have been to pay each money winner the same percentage of the prize money which they won as the available total prize money bears to the total published prize money. Let's hope it doesn't come to that anyway.

The fact that those already paid got 100% suggests one of two things........everyone is going to get 100% or nobody else other than those already paid is going to get anything, with the former surely being the favourite at the moment.