World 10 Ball - Who Cares?

[pro9dg]

World 10 Ball - a boring, predictable game played to silly rules.
Add a ball take away the excitement. Golden breaks, creative combinations - all gone.

A third rate production played in front of a handful of people.
Worldwide TV coverage - don't make me laugh! Europe? America?
Only through some dim and dreadful internet links?

But who cares? The cream of the Philippines have wisely decided to keep away. Dennis Orcullo, (currently the best player on the planet)
Bata and Django (guaranteed to put backsides on seats).
Roberto Gomez and Ronnie Alcano (otherwise engaged).

How can the ultimate winner take any satisfaction when they did not test themselves against one of the above - not to mention Gallego, Kiamco, van Corteza and umpteen other world class players performing on their home turf.

The sad part that this shoddy vehicle undermined the game's classic pinnacle event - the World 9 Ball Championships. But comparing Ray Sports to Matchroom would be an insult. Now it is evident where the extra money that Matchroom demand is spent.

Better production values, genuine worldwide coverage for the sponsors products. But once again the cheap option is taken thereby keeping pool,
if not in the gutter, firmly on the kerbstone.

No doubt the WPC9 will return. Hopefully, the clowns who put on this circus will have had enough custard pies in their face to last them a lifetime. Or will next year be the World 11 Ball Championship?

 

[cajunbarboxplyr]

But who cares? The cream of the Philippines have wisely decided to keep away. Dennis Orcullo, (currently the best player on the planet)
Bata and Django (guaranteed to put backsides on seats).
Roberto Gomez and Ronnie Alcano (otherwise engaged).

How can the ultimate winner take any satisfaction when they did not test themselves against one of the above - not to mention Gallego, Kiamco, van Corteza and umpteen other world class players performing on their home turf.

So you have to play and beat one of these players to be considered great?


Orcullo...Best Player on the planet??? hardly......... One of the top players??? Very much so.........

But I'll respect your opinion.....as mine truely differs................

 

[Roy Steffensen]

I am already looking forward to World 9-ball Championship...

Don't like the 10-ball with the new rules, and I am not a big fan of Raya Sports/Yen Makabenta.

However, as the poolfanatic I am I have to check the results daily, but that's it. I am not supporting an event that Efren, Alex P, Django or Gomez are not supporting.

 

[cajunbarboxplyr]

I wont hop on the bandwagon like that..............

It doesnt really bother me to be honest.........It is pool and I enjoy watching it....regardless of rules and who is running it......Butthen again thats all my personal opinion bout it.

 

[Phidget]

not to go off topic, but what were the rule changes mentioned?

 

[14.1player]

It's pool.... I'll watch it

Should we not watch IPT, Raya, UPA? We're running out of stuff TO watch!

I reckon the WTBC will get pretty good ratings in the Philippines. Although the big names aren't there, they will support the hometown boys....

POOL > POOL POLITIX

 

[streak]

a suggestion

You have many wonderful reasons why not to watch the World 10-Ball. I have a suggestion...DON'T F*****G WATCH IT!!!!

 

[Cuebacca]

10-Ball is better than 9-Ball, in my opinion, and it seems that a lot of pros prefer it. It's not just "one more ball". No one is pushing for 11-Ball that I've ever heard of.

I agree, making it call shot is a bad idea. It takes away multi-way offensive shots. 9-Ball and 10-Ball should have the same rules in my opinion, not that I think the current 9-ball rules are perfect either.

You said golden breaks are taken away. I thought the 10 counts as a win on the break (which I don't personally care for), so now you have sapphire breaks if you will. Or maybe blue cheese breaks would be a better name for it.

It's a shame that politics are hurting pool like this. Maybe pool is too fragile right now for 10-Ball, but IMO 10-Ball is better because you don't have to make the dreaded choice between racking wars (untapped rack) and soft breaks (tapped rack = guaranteed wing ball).

Having the extra ball is a good thing. The top reason being that it allows for a triangular shaped rack. The diamond-shaped rack may look cute but it's flawed.

 

[Dr. Dissent]

Yeah, it seems this BS Championship is way off the radar. Nobody seems to care about the results, since so many excellent players are missing. This reminds me of the WPA Gentlemen that was dissing Charlie William's 10Ball Championship in Las Vegas, whereas the Gent was saying Charlie's event was not a true Championship. Well, it seems now that the "fecal matter" has shifted and the WPA is rolling all over it. They are now eating their own crow....LMMFAO....

 

[Gerry]

you know, why don't they just poll the top 50 players in the world, and ask them what rules would make the best event and go with that?

the politics of anything IMO good or bad just screws up all the fun for all of us.

To have ANY "WORLD" Championship without it being a REAL OPEN event is Bull dooky!

set the entry fee, open the doors, and let ANYONE rakemup....then there won't be an asterisk next to the winners name...

G.

 

[cplayermagic]

I wont hop on the bandwagon like that..............

It doesnt really bother me to be honest.........It is pool and I enjoy watching it....regardless of rules and who is running it......Butthen again thats all my personal opinion bout it.

good point. rules are for suckers. now if i could only gather a few more idiots like yourself, i could institute the world 'cplayermagic wins' championships. three guesses as to what happens there.

you must be new.

 

[cajunbarboxplyr]

good point. rules are for suckers. now if i could only gather a few more idiots like yourself, i could institute the world 'cplayermagic wins' championships. three guesses as to what happens there.

you must be new.

Yea your right. I am new........with over 1000 posts and here a full year before you. I am new......

It is as easy as this...

Dont like the rules.....DONT PLAY IT

Dont like the rules..... DONT WATCH IT

Move on and try to come up with something else as stupid to ***** about.

 

[cplayermagic]

Yea your right. I am new........with over 1000 posts and here a full year before you. I am new......

It is as easy as this...

Dont like the rules.....DONT PLAY IT

Dont like the rules..... DONT WATCH IT

Move on and try to come up with something else as stupid to ***** about.

i enjoyed watching muhammad ali boxing, therefore i would also enjoy a video of ali punching a baby seal senseless, while mussolini cheers him on.

the people who 'boycott' or refuse to participate in an event are stating their opinions -- be it that they dislike the rules, format, or the tournament leadership. many such passive expressions of opinion have taken place throughout time. perhaps you are familiar with this one, or maybe this one. granted, they made slightly stronger statements, but i am trying to make you understand my point by hyperbole -- it takes a big nail to break through tough wood.

unfortunately, you can't teach a blind, deaf, dumb, and retarded turtle to cook you a steak dinner. much like the general public will not always pay attention to trivialities like 'this campaign is sponsored by <insert evil man here>' and will continue their subscription oblivious to the fact that they are supporting more platforms than they intended. only 54% of eligible americans vote. you don't vote, do you?

in life and on the forums, continue being a seedling in a thunderstorm -- having your own opinions is bad.

 

[JB Cases]

Two good things are happening here. One is that there are women being allowed to play in a world championship. We will see how long this lasts. I think that the publicity of seeing Jasmin Ouschan play against the men on such a stage is tremendous. Not only to see how far she can go and whether she truly does play world class speed or not, but also as a call to other women to mix it up and raise the bar.

The other thing I find interesting is that we are getting to see the "unknown" Phillipine talent and the depth that is always talked about.

Politics aside it's good to see fresh faces getting some air time.

No doubt that the stars would have drawn more of an audience. It's sad to see a world championship contested without the recognized best in the game. The best in the game could have played though. The Americans could have sent their best, the Europeans are well represented, the Taiwanese are well represented.

But this tournament is a line in the sand so to speak. I absolutely repsect the player's decisions who decided to protest.

All that being said we must respect the players who did make the trip to play against all the other world class players who showed up. Those player's efforts and sacrifices to be there should not be denigrated because of politics. At this moment they are in the heat of battle.

So World Ten Ball - Who Cares? I do. I respect the world class play being shown by the players who are there. As much as I respect the world class decision of the players who did not attend on principle.

Jassy snapping off Engert 9:4 after missing BALL IN HAND in game one was priceless.

 

[Dr. Dissent]

Two good things are happening here. One is that there are women being allowed to play in a world championship. We will see how long this lasts. I think that the publicity of seeing Jasmin Ouschan play against the men on such a stage is tremendous. Not only to see how far she can go and whether she truly does play world class speed or not, but also as a call to other women to mix it up and raise the bar.

The other thing I find interesting is that we are getting to see the "unknown" Phillipine talent and the depth that is always talked about.

Politics aside it's good to see fresh faces getting some air time.

No doubt that the stars would have drawn more of an audience. It's sad to see a world championship contested without the recognized best in the game. The best in the game could have played though. The Americans could have sent their best, the Europeans are well represented, the Taiwanese are well represented.

But this tournament is a line in the sand so to speak. I absolutely repsect the player's decisions who decided to protest.

All that being said we must respect the players who did make the trip to play against all the other world class players who showed up. Those player's efforts and sacrifices to be there should not be denigrated because of politics. At this moment they are in the heat of battle.

So World Ten Ball - Who Cares? I do. I respect the world class play being shown by the players who are there. As much as I respect the world class decision of the players who did not attend on principle.

Jassy snapping off Engert 9:4 after missing BALL IN HAND in game one was priceless.

You do have a point here, hopefully I could give good rep to you...

 

[sjm]

Two good things are happening here. One is that there are women being allowed to play in a world championship. We will see how long this lasts. I think that the publicity of seeing Jasmin Ouschan play against the men on such a stage is tremendous. Not only to see how far she can go and whether she truly does play world class speed or not, but also as a call to other women to mix it up and raise the bar.

The other thing I find interesting is that we are getting to see the "unknown" Phillipine talent and the depth that is always talked about.

Politics aside it's good to see fresh faces getting some air time.

No doubt that the stars would have drawn more of an audience. It's sad to see a world championship contested without the recognized best in the game. The best in the game could have played though. The Americans could have sent their best, the Europeans are well represented, the Taiwanese are well represented.

But this tournament is a line in the sand so to speak. I absolutely repsect the player's decisions who decided to protest.

All that being said we must respect the players who did make the trip to play against all the other world class players who showed up. Those player's efforts and sacrifices to be there should not be denigrated because of politics. At this moment they are in the heat of battle.

So World Ten Ball - Who Cares? I do. I respect the world class play being shown by the players who are there. As much as I respect the world class decision of the players who did not attend on principle.

Jassy snapping off Engert 9:4 after missing BALL IN HAND in game one was priceless.

This is a superb post.

The absence of a few of the elite is unfortunate, and I don't like the rules changes, but I respect and admire those vying for the title and appreciate the tournament they (and all associated with the event) have brought to the world of pool.

While the tournament is in progress, it's best to appreciate and enjoy the good rather than bemoan the bad. How to improve the event is a debate for another day.

 

[bandido]

Two good things are happening here. One is that there are women being allowed to play in a world championship. We will see how long this lasts. I think that the publicity of seeing Jasmin Ouschan play against the men on such a stage is tremendous. Not only to see how far she can go and whether she truly does play world class speed or not, but also as a call to other women to mix it up and raise the bar.

The other thing I find interesting is that we are getting to see the "unknown" Phillipine talent and the depth that is always talked about.

Politics aside it's good to see fresh faces getting some air time.

No doubt that the stars would have drawn more of an audience. It's sad to see a world championship contested without the recognized best in the game. The best in the game could have played though. The Americans could have sent their best, the Europeans are well represented, the Taiwanese are well represented.

But this tournament is a line in the sand so to speak. I absolutely repsect the player's decisions who decided to protest.

All that being said we must respect the players who did make the trip to play against all the other world class players who showed up. Those player's efforts and sacrifices to be there should not be denigrated because of politics. At this moment they are in the heat of battle.

So World Ten Ball - Who Cares? I do. I respect the world class play being shown by the players who are there. As much as I respect the world class decision of the players who did not attend on principle.

Jassy snapping off Engert 9:4 after missing BALL IN HAND in game one was priceless.

Tap, tap, tap! Good post JB. Kudos to all the players in attendance. I've got some good and not exactly bad comments about this 1st time production but I'll save it for later. The players are taking center stage now.

 

[Jerry Forsyth]

We shall disagree

World 10 Ball - a boring, predictable game played to silly rules.
Add a ball take away the excitement. Golden breaks, creative combinations - all gone.

A third rate production played in front of a handful of people.
Worldwide TV coverage - don't make me laugh! Europe? America?
Only through some dim and dreadful internet links?

But who cares? The cream of the Philippines have wisely decided to keep away. Dennis Orcullo, (currently the best player on the planet)
Bata and Django (guaranteed to put backsides on seats).
Roberto Gomez and Ronnie Alcano (otherwise engaged).

How can the ultimate winner take any satisfaction when they did not test themselves against one of the above - not to mention Gallego, Kiamco, van Corteza and umpteen other world class players performing on their home turf.

The sad part that this shoddy vehicle undermined the game's classic pinnacle event - the World 9 Ball Championships. But comparing Ray Sports to Matchroom would be an insult. Now it is evident where the extra money that Matchroom demand is spent.

Better production values, genuine worldwide coverage for the sponsors products. But once again the cheap option is taken thereby keeping pool,
if not in the gutter, firmly on the kerbstone.

No doubt the WPC9 will return. Hopefully, the clowns who put on this circus will have had enough custard pies in their face to last them a lifetime. Or will next year be the World 11 Ball Championship?

Doug, you and I are very old friends and so I am sure that we can disagree with no harm coming to the friendship. I am here in Manila and I see none of what you speak. The extra ball in no way takes away the excitement, in fact it adds a depth of strategy that is most entertaining. No golden breaks or creative combinations? Perhaps you should pay closer attention. Shane Van Boening made two of each in a single set!

As far as this detracting from the World 9-Ball event, I do not understand your logic. Any major tournament that helps create interest and attention to the game is healthy for all tournaments. And to assert that the worlds best players are not in attendance is to ignore the fact that ALL of the current world champions are here competing. Many of those players you mention who are not here have, in private, expressed their sadness that the politics of the game prevent their presence.

Doug, come on, slamming those who promote major tournaments and put cash in players pockets cannot be good for the game we both love. Let's rise above the pettiness of power politics and support ANYONE who puts a $400,000 purse on the line for the profit of our heroes with cues.

Will I support the BMPAP when they produce an event of this caliber? You bet I will. Will I criticize and pick apart any tiny detail they leave uncovered? No, I will not. I prefer to focus on the glass half-full rather than whine that it is not completely topped-off. Doug, put these shoddy politics behind you and refuse to be an attack dog for either side. If you wish to praise one side, fine, laud them all you want. But to toss stones that bring nothing positive to the table is beneath you.

 

[Colin Colenso]

I am very glad to see 10-ball having such a high profile event.

It's a shame there is some local political conflict and so we are missing several of the world's best players, but no event is perfect.

As JB said, there are many positives to this event.

Colin - Prefers 10 ball.

 

[jay helfert]

I've been here from day one. What I'm watching is a world class field of players going at it for 400 LARGE! With 100K to the winner! This IS a major tournament, with or without five or six top filipino players.

Yes, there are some problems here, they are playing half the matches on Gold Crown V's and half the matches on Metros. But so what, both are good tables and it forces players to make adjustments. I don't agree with all the rules, but it's the same for both players.

My experience tells me it will be the best players there in the end, regardless of rules or equipment. Right now, Shane, Wu, Neils and Marlon are looking tough to beat.

It's not Matchroom, but what is? I'm seeing some great pool by excellent players at a difficult game. What more could I ask her? Oh yeah, I should be doing commentary. I have so much to say about every match. Sometimes I feel like I can read the players minds. I can tell when I guy is going to lose and vice versa. It's all in the body language if you can read it.