I'd take Sigel against whoever #8 is in a set to 1000. Just for kicks.
World 14.1 Times & Forfeiture of Mike Sigel's Match
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You choose to lead by example. Impressive.Jimmy M. said:
crawfish said:
Did you know that if there is a drugtest during a pooltournament, and they find alcohol in your blood, you will be disqualified and banned?
In Norway, and Europe, there are regulary drugtests on pool tournaments, and you don't know what tournament they will come to. This means that you can't drink alcohol during tournaments. Of course you can have a glass of wine or a beer when eating dinner, if you don't have any more matches that day.
You will never see any of the players I listed above being drunk all night, coming to look at the time-schedule at 07 in the morning and say "Yes, I can get some sleep before my match".
Niels Feijen, Hohmann etc goes to bed early during tournaments, wake up many hours before match to get a good breakfast and prepare for the matches.
PS: Players in the World Championship can also be picked to do a drugtest, during the tournament.
Better safe than sorry - do not drink alcohol during tournaments.
I can understand that leagueplay and amateur-tournaments in the states might be different, but if you consider playing professionally you shouldn't drink alcohol before after your tournament.
The chart was not changed. I was there when they put it up. The times went 1, 11, 11, 1, 1, 11, 11, 1. Sigel's fell on the 11am time slot. He had to of miss read it. A couple of us had some drinks at night. I don't think they test for alcohol.
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Mainplayer said:
Thanks!
Great comeback you had against Oliver Ortmann
What's your highest run in 14-1?
Mainplayer said:
Perhaps they didn't do, but they can.
Ok
If the matches were indeed posted like this, it would be due to the seeding of the top 8 players, which would make sense to me.
As for Sigel not being able to play, or being in the top 8 players there, based on ability. On a long game, such as 1000 points, he has a shot at about anyone. As for getting seeded in the top 8, may be some politics, or maybe it's due to his not being so active playing any more.
Mainplayer said:
If the matches were indeed posted like this, it would be due to the seeding of the top 8 players, which would make sense to me.
As for Sigel not being able to play, or being in the top 8 players there, based on ability. On a long game, such as 1000 points, he has a shot at about anyone. As for getting seeded in the top 8, may be some politics, or maybe it's due to his not being so active playing any more.
I'd like to sweat Sigel playing 100 no-count in a race to 1000 with over 1/2 of the field at this year's 14.1 world championship. But that's just me.... I love booking losers.
EDIT: 1/2, that's a typo. Prob 3/4
EDIT: 1/2, that's a typo. Prob 3/4
NYC cue dude
Banned
satman said:
The seedings happened AFTER the round robin stage. Seeding was determined by the record of the player in that stage.
As I stated in the other thread, this wasn't DP's fault at all. Mike was even offered ample time (more than the 15 minute forfiet policy) to go and change and come back. MIKE CHOSE TO FORFEIT!!!!!! Perhaps he didn't want to play danny?!?!
I couldn't help but thinking while reading the other forfeit thread, as the speculation and assumptions were flying around, how many of the viscious accusations would be retracted? None so far. People want to believe what they want to believe, regardless of the truth. No wonder the pros I know won't post here. In fact, they seem to think the members here aren't the real fan base because they think the posters here are a joke.
Randy
NYC cue dude said:
....but the same pros who are calling this place a joke are reading it. What does that say?
NYC cue dude
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I beg to differ. EVERY pro player logs on to the az main page, and knows the forums exist. Why do you think so few post here?
I shared a story a few years ago on here. I was out to dinner with a few players. I mentioned a thread on here to them and they proceeded to slam the forum.
Thorsten is a member here. He made a few post here a while back. Also did a live Q & A. Shortly there after, someone started a Charlie Williams bashing thread. We were at the challenge of champions when he read it and replied angrily in the thread, stating he was finished here. I think he's made 2 or 3 posts since then.
I know Charlie warns all his players that DP represents not to post here too.
The question isn't why do they read here, the question is why dont they post here?
Rg
I shared a story a few years ago on here. I was out to dinner with a few players. I mentioned a thread on here to them and they proceeded to slam the forum.
Thorsten is a member here. He made a few post here a while back. Also did a live Q & A. Shortly there after, someone started a Charlie Williams bashing thread. We were at the challenge of champions when he read it and replied angrily in the thread, stating he was finished here. I think he's made 2 or 3 posts since then.
I know Charlie warns all his players that DP represents not to post here too.
The question isn't why do they read here, the question is why dont they post here?
Rg
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If there wasn't a "fan base" for pool on AZ Billiards, I don't think Charlie Williams or any other promoter (me included) would be posting information about their events on here. It is kind of hypocritical to tell players not to post on a forum that he is using to promote his events.
As far as I'm concerned this is a great venue to reach people who follow this sport. Probably as good or better than all the pool mags combined. And there are many very good players who do post on here. They may not be tournament champions but they are definitely "players".
I don't really care one way of the other if a pro wants to post on here. That's up to him or her. Whatever floats your boat. The first few years I posted my tournaments on AZ Billiards, I didn't even know the Forums existed. If I did, I would have been touting my pool room and the action I was giving then. So I missed out.
Chris Bartram is a pro level player who has frequently used this forum to find games. Pretty smart I think. If I was a pro and thought I could build my following by posting on here, I would. John Schmidt has done a pretty good job of doing just that. And many pros have used these forums to sell products and seek sponsorship. So in that respect many pro players DO post on here.
The fact that so many pros are aware of what is being talked about on AZ is an indication of how popular it is.
As far as I'm concerned this is a great venue to reach people who follow this sport. Probably as good or better than all the pool mags combined. And there are many very good players who do post on here. They may not be tournament champions but they are definitely "players".
I don't really care one way of the other if a pro wants to post on here. That's up to him or her. Whatever floats your boat. The first few years I posted my tournaments on AZ Billiards, I didn't even know the Forums existed. If I did, I would have been touting my pool room and the action I was giving then. So I missed out.
Chris Bartram is a pro level player who has frequently used this forum to find games. Pretty smart I think. If I was a pro and thought I could build my following by posting on here, I would. John Schmidt has done a pretty good job of doing just that. And many pros have used these forums to sell products and seek sponsorship. So in that respect many pro players DO post on here.
The fact that so many pros are aware of what is being talked about on AZ is an indication of how popular it is.
NYC cue dude
Banned
I completely agree Jay. The examples you give are of the pros USING this forum, not necessarily contributing to it. The reason for that is the direspectful nature of the posters. Perhaps if that would change, and they saw an extended track record of civil discourse, more pros would actually contribute here.
Rg
Rg
Recently, a member of this forum stated something in poor taste, trying to make fun of Keith McCready to get back at me, on a thread about German pool players. Some people should practice what they preach, IMHO. Oh, the irony of it all to have them thereafter complain about pros being mistreated on this forum. What a sick joke. The damn insult to Keith happened yesterday. If that ain't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is. :angry:
As far as the forefeiture of Mike Sigel, I have yet to hear from Mike Sigel about what he saw on the charts. Everything else about this entire subject matter is pure hearsay and nothing more.
Charlie Williams, to his credit, did post an explanation for what happened (her version) though his response was vague and cryptic in nature, leaving it open for misinterpretation. Of course, everybody knows there's three sides to the story. Mike Sigel's version has yet to be heard.
The same problems continue to happen at these 14.1 tournaments, and these types of problems don't seem to continuously happen time and time again at other events. You would think the DP team would take measures to correct the problems. For example, the players in last year's straight pool tournament complained about the horrible playing conditions, shadows on the balls and terrible tables that rolled out up to 4 inches. The equipment was crap last year as well as the year before according to two players I know who competed in the event. One of them is a member of this forum and did, in fact, post about the terrible playing conditions.
The match times have ALWAYS been a problem at DP events, especially the DP 14.1 tournaments. Look, it's not like the DCC where there are buybacks. If a competent tournament director was in place, they could have scheduled the matches better. Maybe a time clock should be used for slow play. I know one very well-known champion pro last year was furious at having to play his match at 2:30 a.m. in the morning, a change that was made willy nilly to the time of the matches, once again.
The DP team forfeited Shane Van Boening and Corey Deuel in Florida last month. It seems to be a case of poor manangement. What a shame they don't take those sponsor dollars and hire a REAL tournament director. Maybe these problems could be alleviated.
JAM
As far as the forefeiture of Mike Sigel, I have yet to hear from Mike Sigel about what he saw on the charts. Everything else about this entire subject matter is pure hearsay and nothing more.
Charlie Williams, to his credit, did post an explanation for what happened (her version) though his response was vague and cryptic in nature, leaving it open for misinterpretation. Of course, everybody knows there's three sides to the story. Mike Sigel's version has yet to be heard.
The same problems continue to happen at these 14.1 tournaments, and these types of problems don't seem to continuously happen time and time again at other events. You would think the DP team would take measures to correct the problems. For example, the players in last year's straight pool tournament complained about the horrible playing conditions, shadows on the balls and terrible tables that rolled out up to 4 inches. The equipment was crap last year as well as the year before according to two players I know who competed in the event. One of them is a member of this forum and did, in fact, post about the terrible playing conditions.
The match times have ALWAYS been a problem at DP events, especially the DP 14.1 tournaments. Look, it's not like the DCC where there are buybacks. If a competent tournament director was in place, they could have scheduled the matches better. Maybe a time clock should be used for slow play. I know one very well-known champion pro last year was furious at having to play his match at 2:30 a.m. in the morning, a change that was made willy nilly to the time of the matches, once again.
The DP team forfeited Shane Van Boening and Corey Deuel in Florida last month. It seems to be a case of poor manangement. What a shame they don't take those sponsor dollars and hire a REAL tournament director. Maybe these problems could be alleviated.
JAM
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JAM said:
JAM, i have to agree with you here. Considering what he said just yesterday, he is a total hypocrite.
NYC cue dude said:
Dude, what planet are you living on. You got a lotta balls to come right back and play Mr. INNOCENT.
Amazing what true colors are visible when people let their guard down.
NYC cue dude said:
Lets see, Charlie promotes events, plays in those same events and represents (manages?) some other players in the same events? No conflict of interest there! Of course, no special treatment.
My guess as to why most top level pro's don't post here is they only want to hear glowing reviews. Questions about drug use, alcohol, forfiets, dumped matches, no prize money, missing gambling money, etc, etc, etc. In a perfect world, posters like myself would ask the correct questions. Like why do you play one shot with an open bridge and another closed? How do you choose a pattern to play? On and on. The problem may be most of us want to know the dirt. No different than people who attend football or hockey games for the blood. Just my two cents.
Lyn