World Ten Ball updates

gopi-1 said:
How about Roman Hybler's win (9-8) over Corey Deuel? Or Martin Kempter over Johnny Archer (9-5) Roy?
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Roman Hybler has a run of 270 + i 14-1, finished third in the european Championship three times, won an Eurotour, won Paris Open and he is 6 times German Champion, even though he is not German.

He plays as good as any European, on his best days. Definitely not more than a minor upset, if any at all, imo.

I am more surprised that Martin Kempter managed to beat Archer, even though Martin recently has finished 3rd in the European Championship, 3rd in last years World Straight Pool Championship (made 160 as tournament high run), and also 3rd in an Eurotour.

He has never won any big tournament, but is used to beat top players. He is what I would like to call a "blocker". Not good enough to win tournaments, but good enough to beat any of the players in a tournament. No one likes to meet him.
 
jay helfert said:
First day pbservations.

The refs are racking the balls by hand, on pre-dented tables. UGH! It just goes against everything Ive learned the last 30-40 years. the roll of a slow moving ball absolutely could be affected by the dents in the cloth. There are perfectly good Brunswick racks under each table. Why not use them? I KNOW I can put a better rack up there using a good rack then anyone can using their bare hands!!

I am watching refs roll balls into place a few at a time. A tight rack? No way! The only rack you can put up fairly tight with your hands is Six Ball. Interestingly most players don't seem to mind. I would have thought there would be an uproar. The Brunswick Gold Crowns V's are beautiful table's. They just need to be releveled, still a lot of roll offs.
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When the dents are on the table, you can get a perfect (and I mean perfect) rack everytime with your hands. You don't need a triangle. You are not aware of the tapping system ?

What goes to the pros and cons of the tapping, I admit you might get a slight roll when balls are moving slowly across the rack area, but what I've seen over the years with this system, the dents very rarely affect gameplay, even when playing straight pool. But the benefits are huge, matches stay on schedule much more often when there are no racking issues, two players fighting over each others racks.

Greets,
Mikko J?ntti
EPBF referee
 
interesting match up on the loser side: Imran Majid vs Raj Hundal, with no soft break ;)

Btw they didn't call every shot, just the questionable one and ten ball.
 
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quanz said:
Btw they didn't call every shot, just the questionable one and ten ball.
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You don't have to call every shot, the rules say that only shots that are not obvious should be called. Banks and combinations have to be called.

The ten ball if obvious, which it usually is, does not have to be called.
 
Maybe the players should be made just to call the ten ball so as to reduce the chance of a fluke and wining the game prematurely. Just re spot if it was not called rather then forfeiting the game.

But i always wonder does who ever is responsible for formulating the rules and regulations. Were the rule ever seriously scrutinized, reviewed, opinion sort out and tested before they are implemented.

The rules applied in this 10ball event seems so unnatural. But what the hey. At least we did have a world 10ball event to watch right.
 
Welld one to the Aussies David Reljic, James Delahunty and LouisCondo on getting throught the first round. Condo over Kaplan is a big result. 3 out of 4 Aussies through the first round. We're catching up :) I won't be writing John Wims off early either. He played very solidly in the nationals a few weeks ago.

Colin
 
MasterClass said:
Maybe the players should be made just to call the ten ball so as to reduce the chance of a fluke and wining the game prematurely. Just re spot if it was not called rather then forfeiting the game.

But i always wonder does who ever is responsible for formulating the rules and regulations. Were the rule ever seriously scrutinized, reviewed, opinion sort out and tested before they are implemented.

The rules applied in this 10ball event seems so unnatural. But what the hey. At least we did have a world 10ball event to watch right.
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I thought they used regular WPA 10-ball rules in which you have to call all balls except on the break. They aren't ?

WPA formulated the rules with billiard federation people from all over over the world from every continent over many meetings and brainstorms they had. I think Bob Jewett was involved, at least he was in the committee that seriously reviewed the rules of pocket billiards which came into use on 1st Jan 2008. I think they came up with the rules for 10-ball as well. I just happen to know that WPA didn't want to make "another 9-ball with just 1 added ball", that's why they made it a call-shot game. There are just a few rules that differs it from 9-ball, I understand it's difficult to adopt new things, but it shouldn't be too difficult. I think the problem is that the players are too lazy to read through the rules to understand the differences between 9-ball and 10-ball and then they complain about the rules being too complicated. Ignorance is a bliss, but as the first part of the rules say: the responsibility is always on the player to know the rules.

Just my 2 cents :) Maybe I should write "10-ball rules for dummies" with a few lines that explain the difference between 9-ball and 10-ball :)

Edit: oh, forgot to add: GO Mika, GO Markus !!!!
 
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mjantti said:
I thought they used regular WPA 10-ball rules in which you have to call all balls except on the break. They aren't ?

WPA formulated the rules with billiard federation people from all over over the world from every continent over many meetings and brainstorms they had. I think Bob Jewett was involved, at least he was in the committee that seriously reviewed the rules of pocket billiards which came into use on 1st Jan 2008. I think they came up with the rules for 10-ball as well. I just happen to know that WPA didn't want to make "another 9-ball with just 1 added ball", that's why they made it a call-shot game. There are just a few rules that differs it from 9-ball, I understand it's difficult to adopt new things, but it shouldn't be too difficult. I think the problem is that the players are too lazy to read through the rules to understand the differences between 9-ball and 10-ball and then they complain about the rules being too complicated. Ignorance is a bliss, but as the first part of the rules say: the responsibility is always on the player to know the rules.

Just my 2 cents :) Maybe I should write "10-ball rules for dummies" with a few lines that explain the difference between 9-ball and 10-ball :)

Edit: oh, forgot to add: GO Mika, GO Markus !!!!
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The rules are so simple for anyone who can read, I don't understand why every one is getting het up about them.
As I said earlier, 9 ball is prone to flukes and good fortune, 10 ball with these rules is much fairer IMO

The rules say that balls should be called if there is any doubt.


" 9.5 Call Shots & Pocketing Balls
Whenever the shooter is attempting to pocket a ball (except the break) he is required to call shots, the intended ball and pocket must be indicated for each shot if they are not obvious. Details of the shot, such as cushions struck or other balls contacted or pocketed are irrelevant. "

And while we are at it,

GO Alcaide, Cabello, Appleton, Majid, Gray, Peach and Fulcher

(I am Brit who lives in Spain)
 
Ok, after day 2 I found something interesting, ten ball on the break count a win????? I agree it's a slim chance for golden break but Shane made 2 golden breaks against Kuo today. Both players started sloppy, miss easy shot here n there, Shane's luck brought him back to his standard and has 2 BNR at the end of the match, Kuo on the other hand never came close to his.

Thorsten Hohmann vs Mark Gray:
At start Gray played a extreme cautious game and not taking any chance, after 2-0 lead, Hohmann came back with a masterclass defense, the results 9-8 for Mark Gray, Hohmann played very good but his break fails him, 5 scratch on the break including the last rack n Gray runs out the rest. Solid performance by Gray.
 
Peter@CEP said:
The rules are so simple for anyone who can read, I don't understand why every one is getting het up about them.
As I said earlier, 9 ball is prone to flukes and good fortune, 10 ball with these rules is much fairer IMO

The rules say that balls should be called if there is any doubt.


" 9.5 Call Shots & Pocketing Balls
Whenever the shooter is attempting to pocket a ball (except the break) he is required to call shots, the intended ball and pocket must be indicated for each shot if they are not obvious. Details of the shot, such as cushions struck or other balls contacted or pocketed are irrelevant. "

And while we are at it,

GO Alcaide, Cabello, Appleton, Majid, Gray, Peach and Fulcher

(I am Brit who lives in Spain)
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I agree. And the players know it. If they don't make a call when there is doubt, it's their responsibility. Everyone has played 8-ball and know that sometimes you have to verbally call your shot. So why it should be more difficult in 10-ball ? For pros, it's mostly a runout game anyway, like 8-ball. If they don't call their not-so-obvious shots verbally, they take a risk of being punished by the referee or the other player. And I don't necessarily mean by being called a foul on, sometimes the player & referee might ask you what ball are you shooting at and it could affect your concentration.

My point earlier was the ignorance and lack of knowledge on the rules of 10-ball. I think all players are aware of the normal call ball & pocket -rules. They just don't know the rules and thus start making unclear calls.
 
Where is our slacker in Manilla with the updates? :D I have a feeling he is tied up with a woman, or maybe a woman has him tied up! :eek:
 
Colin Colenso said:
Welld one to the Aussies David Reljic, James Delahunty and LouisCondo on getting throught the first round. Condo over Kaplan is a big result. 3 out of 4 Aussies through the first round. We're catching up :) I won't be writing John Wims off early either. He played very solidly in the nationals a few weeks ago.

Colin
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Colin,
Are there any other AZB posters from Australia besides yourself?
Thanks,
JoeyA
 
tonyc said:
IS there any TV coverage, I remember we could watch some matches on Sopcast last year?
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I think Rubyron posted a link to where you can download TVants which is similar to Sopcast. The link he had was http://tvants.en.softonic.com/
The channel was either ESPN China or ESPN HK. If you have trouble downloading or hooking up, let me know and I'll walk you through it.

For the record, I believe most of the airing goes on between 3-6 am each morning your time.

Best Regards,
JoeyA
 
Does anyone know the story on Ronnie Wiseman? I noticed that he forfeited his matches. Seems that it would take something serious to keep a player away from this tournament.
 
jay helfert said:
The rules here are also new. It is "call shot" Ten Ball, and you must make the ball you call. No "two way" shots here. Other rules are quite confusing to me. There are several instances where your opponent can make you shoot again. Not just on a push out. Too many rules and it can be confusing for some players. You can call safe and make a ball. It's now your oppnent's turn. They have taken a great game like Ten Ball and made it look like Eight Ball. Who's responsible for this I don't know. I can only guess. :wink:
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Max & I had to play by these rules in the qualifier. It was an adjustment.
 
Maybe the planets are not lined up for me today, I can not get this web site to give me any updates. Is Imran Majid playing now?
Thanks
going for a crowbar
mrs.g
not a clue I went back again, nothing nada, it's just me
every other web site works, this one just keeps loading with no info on Imran.
 
:thumbup: Wow!!! Who is this Filipino Pupul who just beat CS Yang 9 to 8? Never heard of him before.
 
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