WPBA Great Lakes Classic

sjm said:
Maybe so, but she's only as good as her playing resume, and Kelly Fisher has played under the "maximum pressure" TV lights twice and come up empty twice. Until she plays well on a WPBA Sunday, she remains an emerging star, rather than one that has arrived.

Don't get me wrong, though, OPC, I'd quickly concede that Kelly Fisher already plays like a WPBA top five. Still, based on the matches of hers that I've watched, her offensive execution remains below that of Allison and her defensive play is well below that of Corr. Still, there's every reason to believe that she may contend for number one somewhere down the road.

I just don't think her game has developed as far as you do, but if she reaches Sunday in Michigan City and plays well when she gets there, then I'll be singing a different tune real soon. Until she wins a TV match, however, I'll be singing this one.

Like you, OPC, I'm enjoying watching Kelly rise through the ranks, and she figures very prominently in the future of the WPBA. I wish her the best of luck.
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I don't disagree with you. Her resume however includes records and heights in snooker that neither Allison nor Karen reached. Kelly herself has said that nine ball also seems to be a simple game, especially for someone coming from snooker, but she reallizes that it is actually a complex game with a lot of nuance and subtlety. She understands that it is a game where anyone at the pro level can run three or four balls at the end of the rack and therefore the importance of controlling the end of the racks.

I based my comments on having watched hundreds of hours of play by the WPBA pros and my 24 years in the game. In a heads-up match for the dough, my beans are on Kelly. She just has an inate understanding of the "right" moves that is generally found in the upper echelon of high-stakes players and pros.

To me - the ONLY thing that seperates Kelly from the top males is experience in the nuance and more importantly - the break. If Kelly develops a break that allows her to put together strings of racks in winner breaks formats then I honestly don't see where she is at a disadvantage.

In alternating break short races she can be beat by anyone with half a stroke and the right rolls. And by the same token - she could beat anyone who is "better" than her with the right rolls. She doesn't miss much so whoever she plays has to bring it.

John
 
We got some updates:

Winner's Side:
A. Fisher def. K. Fisher 9-7
Nelson def. Villarreal 9-7 (great job, Tiffany, on making the TV rounds)

Loser's Side:
Chen def. Seaver 9-3
Thornfeldt def. Barretta 9-7
Webb def. Kim 9-7
Dokovic def. Lee 9-7


PJ
 
Lets see now....I'm v(79/117 w one abstintion)

My picks.....
WINNERS SIDE-

NELSON :D over Fisher :(


LOSS SIDE-

Thornfeldt :) over Chen :(
WEBB :D over Dakovic :(

Final Prediction -
1st- MONICA WEBB :D
2nd- Tiffany Nelson
3rd- Allison Fisher
4th-Helena Thornfeldt



Terry
 
My Corr prediction went up Crap Creek, so I look at it like this (as I duck all that vtrash and vgarbage):

Webb over Dokovic
Chen over Thornfeldt (This is a toss up, but I have an interest in this one so..)

Allison over Tiff

Villareal over Monica Webb

Kelly Fisher over Jennifer Chen (See, I can be honest if pushed a little)

Kelly over Vivian...

Tiff over Kelly...

Allison over Tiff (again)

The only upset I see here is maybe with Tiffany Nelson... if she can beat Allison on the winner's side... look out!
 
Great victory for Tiffany! Wish her the best of luck. :D

I love this picture, Gremlin, where did you get it?

I hope Sarah will get well soon.

Jennifer will face Helena. This is the toughest match for Jennifer so far in the tournament. They know each other very well and they have played each other many times both on and off TV in the past. Jennifer would have to play her very best game to come out of this match a winner. If she wins this match, I will predict her going to the finals and winning the tournament.

Cheers,
Richard
 
I have been waiting for many years to see Tifany to come to this stage.Now I am happy.
Vagabond
 
Quote Gremlin: "Kelly defeated Sarah 9-1 Sarah has been suffering from a bad case of food poisoning which had her hospitalized yesterday

Are you sure it was food poisoning; or was it just a bad case of nerves?

How many other people suffered the same illness?

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
Quote Gremlin: "Kelly defeated Sarah 9-1 Sarah has been suffering from a bad case of food poisoning which had her hospitalized yesterday

Are you sure it was food poisoning; or was it just a bad case of nerves?

How many other people suffered the same illness?

Jake
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I was at the tourney all day yesterday and Sarah looked pretty beat up. Appparently, she was in the hospital all day Friday, but was able to make it to a 10:00 pm match. Then she lost her first match on Saturday morning. She was in/around the tournament area throughout the rest of the day, but she didn't look well at all.

Since they haven't updated the brackets yet, here's the "final four".

Waiting on the winner's side....Allison Fisher.

In the first semi-final, it's Kelly Fisher and Vivian.

The winner of that semi-final will play Tiffany Nelson.

After watching all the ladies play yesterday, I'm really pulling for Tiffany. She's a nice young girl who has quite an intense "game face". She plays at a slower pace, but her routine at the table is very practiced and methodical. This is the first time I've seen Kelly Fisher play live and she can be a threat at any time. I her winner's-side match against Allison yesterday, Allison got off to a quick start, but once Kelly got a game or two on the string, she was playing at Allison's speed. Allison did prevail, but Kelly should take something out of that match as she was Allison's equal for a good portion of the match.

I'm heading back shortly for today's tapings. If they don't have the results posted when I get home, I'll post them.
 
Thanks for the update. Go, Vivian! Who did Kelly and Vivian have to beat to make the TV rounds? Thanks.

PJ
 
onepocketchump said:
I don't disagree with you. Her resume however includes records and heights in snooker that neither Allison nor Karen reached. Kelly herself has said that nine ball also seems to be a simple game, especially for someone coming from snooker, but she reallizes that it is actually a complex game with a lot of nuance and subtlety. She understands that it is a game where anyone at the pro level can run three or four balls at the end of the rack and therefore the importance of controlling the end of the racks.

I based my comments on having watched hundreds of hours of play by the WPBA pros and my 24 years in the game. In a heads-up match for the dough, my beans are on Kelly. She just has an inate understanding of the "right" moves that is generally found in the upper echelon of high-stakes players and pros.

To me - the ONLY thing that seperates Kelly from the top males is experience in the nuance and more importantly - the break. If Kelly develops a break that allows her to put together strings of racks in winner breaks formats then I honestly don't see where she is at a disadvantage.

In alternating break short races she can be beat by anyone with half a stroke and the right rolls. And by the same token - she could beat anyone who is "better" than her with the right rolls. She doesn't miss much so whoever she plays has to bring it.

John
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Looking forward to seeing how Kelly Fisher handles the pressure of TV today. Perhaps it's her time. We'll know soon.
 
ragbug74 said:
Since they haven't updated the brackets yet, here's the "final four".

Waiting on the winner's side....Allison Fisher.

In the first semi-final, it's Kelly Fisher and Vivian.

The winner of that semi-final will play Tiffany Nelson.
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Thanx for the updates! :)
 
Gremlin said:
Jake,

Lisa Marr Bernnan was sick also not sure what her illness was caused from but no one had any nervous problems. That's fine with me. Tiffany, Kim, and Romana nailed some hides. Sarah and Lisa showed up and did what they could. Good on all of them. Tiffany "The Tiger" Nelson came thru for all of them. LOL Hey, you figure out how to use that camera yet LOL :p

Cheers,

"Gremlin"
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Hey my friend,
Tiffany`s zodiac sign is Leo ( Lion).You may cosider calling her``The Lion`` instead of The Tiger.Cheers
vagabond
 
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Anyone else getting "Please use are new navigation system to locate the highlight page"on the WPBA site? And if so how do I get it? Thank you.
Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
Anyone else getting "Please use are new navigation system to locate the highlight page"on the WPBA site? And if so how do I get it? Thank you.
Johnnyt
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Hey Johnny...I had no problems...I just clicked on the highlight page on the front page of WPBA.com. Maybe you clicked on it while they were doing the code to put the link there??? :confused:
 
The brackets have been updated and they say that Tiffany Nelson has advanced to the final, eliminating Vivian Villareal.

My calculations say that Tiffany will come out of this event ranked #9 if she can win the final and #10 if she is beaten by Allison.
 
landshark77 said:
Hey Johnny...I had no problems...I just clicked on the highlight page on the front page of WPBA.com. Maybe you clicked on it while they were doing the code to put the link there??? :confused:
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Yes Landshark thank you I am getting it now.
Johnnyt
 
sjm said:
My calculations say that Tiffany will come out of this event ranked #9 if she can win the final and #10 if she is beaten by Allison.
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What was her ranking prior to this tourney?? The last time I did the points calculations was Pre- Flordia in 2004. At that time she was ranked 16.

Further more, does anyone know where I can get an UP TO DATE list of the players placement in past tourneys? (Say that 5 times fast, LOL!) When the WPBA updated the players bios they took this information down. Thanx!
 
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