SSDiver2112 said:

It's not if you drop it, it's when. After contacting the ball it doesn't matter.

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That's what some seem to ignore. For soft shots, up to three table length speed or so, many top players don’t drop the elbow significantly, even after contact.

For fast shots, all top pros drop the elbow some, after contact. Often that is five inches or so. That's necessary to keep the arm from hurting as it closes. Some pros come down a lot more, but I don't think it's that common.

I think I've only seen one pro who had zero elbow drop on fast shots and that was Tony Robles some time ago. It looked jerky and painful. I don't think he does that anymore.

For fast shots, most players use what I call a J stroke. It's a pendulum until the tip hits the ball and then it transitions to a piston stroke. The grip hand follows a path like a J starting with the curved part.

Reduced price on this beautiful player!

Chalking is such an ingrained part of the game and PSR that I don't think I would want a chalkless tip even if it did work as good or better than using chalk.

jasonlaus said:

wow.

Have you not been following the conversation?

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Sure I have. I just get irritated when people cast their own ideas of "Success" unto others.

Can anyone survive on the meager pay that the majority of these 'professionals' are making? No. Everyone knows that.... As I said above, being a successful pool player does not necessarily equate to having a successful career.

You are trying to be combative, though you and I aren't actually in disagreement. How many world beaters have we seen toted around the country by a Daddy, trying to make a name for themselves? They have nothing. However, they damn sure are successful on the table. And because of that, they may actually view themselves as being a successful pool player.

Again, success is determined by the goals of the individual. So, while a lifestyle may not fit your definition of success, it doesn't mean that the person that you are casting judgment upon feels the same way.

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Price was lowered. Like new condition.

skogstokig said:

because of niels?

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Yep.

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That's not how the red hats think of Antarctica. They think it's a giant wall that holds all the oceans in.

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LOL.... overthinking. Like watching a golfer stop after ball contact occurrs.

dr_dave said:

Let me revise my statement. If I were FSR, I would have made sure I was able to see the shot because it was obvious it was going to be a close call. And when I saw how the CB reacted, indicating an obvious foul, I would have challenged the non-call.



That is unfortunate, and I know it is asking a lot for the ref to be assertive in a situation like this, but that is their job (to make sure the right call is made, despite other circumstances).

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If I'm an opponent in this situation, I will always stop play and call for a ref.
At the ISPA annual event in Davenport IA last week, I was called over at least a dozen times by league players to watch close hits of this type.
Only saw one bad hit over five days, and quite a few changed their shot to make sure it wasn't a foul.

skor said:

...we'll probably have new tech that does not requires chalk...

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This was tried multiple times, at least one that I've seen 10 years ago was trying to use a special tip with a microscopic surface similar to that of gecko feet. It didn't work.

jlrowe said:

Ok, I have installed Simonis, CPBA and few cheap cloths on my own tables.I have never installed anything faster than 860. I know that on a 9ft table with Simonis the stretch is around 1.8. I just installed Gorina Tournament 2000 and what I came up with as the stretch index of 2.7. basically 3.5" stretch. Does this sound right? Does fast cloth have that much more stretch? What is it for 760 cloth?

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Gorina T2000 and Basalt stretch a bit more than Simonis 860. Championship Tour Edition stretches MUCH more than Simonis 860, and is quite a bit faster. ProForm505 and Andy Premier are quite considerably faster than Simonis 860, though they stretch less.

Simonis 760 stretches about the same as 860. Though, you will find that each color stretches a bit differently.

The point being: the stretch does not necessarily correlate to the speed.

jasonlaus said:

No, success is not relative, name 1 person who can travel to tournaments, pay entry and expenses and live on 18,000.

You are all delusional

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I do wonder about the murky finances of top players. How much money do they get from sponsors a year? Do sponsors ever pony up to get them to go to some big events, etc.

On the face of it, your argument makes sense. Few pros can afford to travel and pay entry. And yet ... dozens of top pros regularly go to big events all over the world. How do they afford it?

If I were a player, I don't think I would be spending thousands a year out of my own pocket to attend these tourneys with no guarantee of getting a good return. So how do these players make it work?

These questions are separate from whether pros can make a living at pool. They can.

Lots of top players give paid lessons, for instance, or do sponsored events. Many own pool halls themselves. Skyler Woodward and Billy Thorpe bought an apparel company that hawks pool-related clothing.

Whatever the case, Darren Appleton consistently argues the tourney payouts are too top heavy. More money should go to players who finish in the top 32. If enough top pros stop attending big events regularly, tour promoters may have no choice but to spread the limited wealth a bit more.

Unless you remove the garage door and build a wall in it's place, there is no good solution for heating a garage that is cost effective. But then you can't use the door to back in your car and unload groceries. Plus you can buy a faux-leather cover for the table and place 3/4" sanded plywood over the table and use the space for parties/events (which is what I do).

I have a dehumidifier that keeps the humidity around 50%, and it re-stabilizes after a door-opening in about 30 minutes. The garage and the table aren't heated, but since the garage is insulated it doesn't drop below 32F in the middle of the winter. I just wear a hat and a sweatshirt during those months, and live with the change in table conditions. I can't justify losing the garage door and paying $40 to $100 to heat the table and/or the garage.

If you do remove the door, and both your slab and walls and ceiling are insulated, I'd suggest a split unit running off of propane. Just know that garages are notoriously difficult to heat in usual circumstances, and that's why I don't even bother.



For the slope, we just added blocks to one end of the table.