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What’s going on in Poland?

skor
mnorwood said:
I saw today where there are more players in the top 100 from Poland than the USA. When did pool get popular in Poland? Where do people play it? Do they have a strong juniors program? Is the game supported by the government? Is it league, gambling or tournament oriented? I think this is a really interesting development.
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they have a strong federation.
they have good coaches
they have junior programs
they treat pool as a sport, as an Olympic sport, not a bar pastime game
they do not play on 7ft tables
Add to this eastern European mentality towards sports.
They started gaining strength about 20 years ago, back then they had one player that was pro level - Babica
What you see today is the fruits of a 15-20 years effort with kids that are now the players that you see.
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A Couple Of Diamond Professional Observations

skor
DrCue'sProtege said:
A couple of things I have noticed about this Diamond Professional table now that I've had it for over three months.

First, balls go in on the break. I am breaking with the 9B on the spot and I am placing the CB just off the rail on the right side about 2-3 inches. The right side facing the rack is what I mean. I consistently make a ball, and alot of times 2-3 balls. The 1B goes into the side pocket and the wing ball into the corner pocket consistently on this table.

Second, the side pockets on this table are very unforgiving. If you are facing this shot on the 3B that I have diagrammed below you better not hit it with any speed. Or else you need to hit it near the center of the pocket. If it hits the facing it is going to pop out.

r/DCP

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making balls on the break have little to do with the table if a rail is not hit first or the size of the pockets are significantly different.
It's about racking, breaking angle and speed, where exactly you hit the 1ball and the cloth and it's condition and humidity.
The 1ball goes to the side without hitting a rail... so the table doesn't mater. Assuming that you always rack the same and break the same, you might need to adjust in a few months as the cloth gets worn and winter comes.

Pocket size also have little to do with the table brand as you can customize them on installation.

But it great's a great reminder to us all that you got a new Diamond ;)
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If the Fargo rating system existed back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, how many of those top Legendary players do you think would have been an 800?

greyghost
DieselPete said:
Unfortunately, no. You simply would not have enough archived data to build an accurate ecosystem of play, going from the top pros down to the 400s and 500s-level players.

While we might be able to piece together some data for a top player (which would be painstaking) it would be almost impossible to then piece together how all of the players they played did against the players they played, and so on.

Consider: Joshua Filler has 14,869 games in the system. Other top players have similar numbers. The average guy in my league (which also contribute to the very same ecosystem that Filler's Fargo depends on) have anywhere from 200 to 2,000 games (easily). The guys I play with also play with Anthony Meglino (12,914 games), so there is a line from guys like Filler to the guy on the table next to me on a Monday night.

we could never recreate that level of interconnectedness for players from the 1980s and '90s.
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You could use accustat style ratings from old matches to get a close equlivant.

As example Earl and Efferen’s accustat ratings for their 200+ game COLOR OF MONEY match were

Earl : .912
Effren: .911

Plenty races to 100 today have lower ratings…with averages actually well below that.

Shane has posted as high as a .940

Plenty of pros don’t even post .900 at tournaments in races to 9 so to do it for 237 games at .911/.912 is fucking highly exceptional.

At the end of the day wether you out the guys from the past here today or the guys today in the past they would all adjust and attain the level necessary to win…because at the end of the day champions ain’t champions because of the equipment…it’s a burning desire.
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If the Fargo rating system existed back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, how many of those top Legendary players do you think would have been an 800?

greyghost
sjm said:
I agree that Fargo is extremely accurate.

Still, it wasn't that long ago that there were zero players in the world that had a Fargo of 800. I think Shane and Wu were the first two, and that was in 2010 or so.

Actually, I think the 780 of fifteen years ago, who would have been a top ten player in the world at the time, would have had no trouble staying with a 780 of today. The 780 of today, however, is about the 150th best player in the world and makes a very marginal income from competition.
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Fargo like chess rating is not a measure of absolute skill it is a relative skill vs opponent.

The numbers grow because of higher numbers of players and matches being input into the system and the bell curve that represents in wins vs losses overall from the worst to the best players.

If Fargo had started in the 70s with just the pros the max rating could be say 2350 now as an example with all the amateur and pros being included.

If Fargo were an absolute skill input then we wouldn’t have players rated at 730 that really are 650s or 700s that are barely over 600. And some players that are 699 that should be a 740 and so on and so forth. If your opponents suck and your from a small area your Fargo will be falsely inflated compared to the actual relative skill of the masses.
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