Slow play by pros

I'm not buying that the switch to tighter pockets in any way explains slow play. In fact, slow play was just as big a problem 10-15 years ago when the pockets were much looser.

Slow play persists because it is tolerated. There is an old saying about pro pool and it is "give the players all day to shoot and that's exactly how long they will take."

As those who play on Mike Zuglan's Joss Northeast Tour know, slow play is not tolerated. If a match is scheduled for two hours and Mike sees that it is 3-2 at the one-hour mark, he will get in the players' faces and tell them to hurry up. He's the exception.

The WPBA had a nice approach in the 1990s and 2000s. If a race to nine was scheduled for two hours, if the players had not completed eight racks by the one-hour mark, the remainder of the match would be played on the shot clock, with a volunteer overseeing the match with a stopwatch. The very prospect of having to go onto the shot clock motivated the players to keep things moving, and not many matches ended up on the shot clock.

In a perfect world, at least at the majors, there would be a shot clock in every match (or at least in every Stage 2 match) but it costs money to have that many referees and shot clock operators, and pool operates on pretty small profit margins to start with. The chess clock solution might well work, but nobody seems willing to try it.

I agree with all those who suggest that the lack of a shot clock reduces the quality of the pro pool offering, making the game less exciting to watch.

Slow play by pros

I'm not a Pro but I would guess that pocket size has nothing to do with the time it takes for people to think about runouts.
What??? Are you kidding?? They have to play pinpoint position because you cant cheat the pockets, I'm sure they have to decide whether to play a tough shot or play safe, constantly looking 3-4 balls ahead because its tougher to move the cue ball, etc that all uses up more time. When playing on a Valley barbox anywhere you land is good shape.

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Slow play by pros

And people keep asking for tighter and tighter pockets. Modern pool has turned into safety-filled 'cinch' pool drudgery. Without refs/clocks its virtually un-watchable. It has ZERO flow that pool had back in the CamelTour days.

looks like stock diamonds? these guys alnar, candela, morra take forever on any size pockets. meanwhile guys like soufi, jayson, filler play fast on 4" pockets. the slow ones are slow because they can and it's part gamesmanship

Killing the game!!

It's interesting that some games don't require the shot clock. Snooker is the same way, no shot clock.

Me personally, when I'm sweating a one pocket match in person, on-site, I don't care how long a shot takes. But watching a one pocket game virtually, I can see how it would take away from the thrill and be boring as heck.

Many moons ago, ESPN came to the Capital City Classic in Maryland, and during the one pocket division, a one pocket match between two veterans of the game took so long, they packed up their gear and left.
Thats whats nice about watching pre-recorded matches on YouTube, tap the right arrow key and it skips ahead 6 seconds for every tap, its like having your own shot clock!!!!! :) :) :)

Killing the game!!

Said it before and I'll say it again. If you won't watch (or play) without a shot clock then you don't understand the game. You are not the only player and not the only observer.

I totally get the reasons for shot clocks, especially when it's on TV. And I'm fine with it. What I'll never understand though is how "pool fans" moan about the lack of a shot clock. Channel hoppers yes, but pool fans no. You are not the only player and not the only observer.

The fact that seven and eight hundred fargos take their time when there is no shot clock tells us something. You are not the only player and not the only obsever.

Shot clocks for TV? Yes it makes sense and 30s is ok, maybe 40s is better, maybe. Shot clocks because pool players are bored watching? You are not the only player and not the only observer.

Maybe go watch bar rules "no pussy shots" rules and start a fight. Or maybe don't and actually love the game.
Well said.

Killing the game!!

Said it before and I'll say it again. If you won't watch (or play) without a shot clock then you don't understand the game. You are not the only player and not the only observer.

I totally get the reasons for shot clocks, especially when it's on TV. And I'm fine with it. What I'll never understand though is how "pool fans" moan about the lack of a shot clock. Channel hoppers yes, but pool fans no. You are not the only player and not the only observer.

The fact that seven and eight hundred fargos take their time when there is no shot clock tells us something. You are not the only player and not the only obsever.

Shot clocks for TV? Yes it makes sense and 30s is ok, maybe 40s is better, maybe. Shot clocks because pool players are bored watching? You are not the only player and not the only observer.

Maybe go watch bar rules "no pussy shots" rules and start a fight. Or maybe don't and actually love the game.

Killing the game!!

It's interesting that some games don't require the shot clock. Snooker is the same way, no shot clock.

Me personally, when I'm sweating a one pocket match in person, on-site, I don't care how long a shot takes. But watching a one pocket game virtually, I can see how it would take away from the thrill and be boring as heck.

Many moons ago, ESPN came to the Capital City Classic in Maryland, and during the one pocket division, a one pocket match between two veterans of the game took so long, they packed up their gear and left.
I dont doubt that. Some of these races to 3 are stretching well over 2 hours.

While I do play 1p and understand wanting to analyze everything to make sure you make the most strategic move, it is beyond painful as a spectator.

Slow play by pros

And people keep asking for tighter and tighter pockets. Modern pool has turned into safety-filled 'cinch' pool drudgery. Without refs/clocks its virtually un-watchable. It has ZERO flow that pool had back in the CamelTour days.
I'm not a Pro but I would guess that pocket size has nothing to do with the time it takes for people to think about runouts.

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