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Pool, billiard, snooker tables, chairs - auction online

r9ball
I am posting this at request of the room owner.
Auction ends July 17th. Dismantling and pick-up is buyers responsibility and needs to be done asap after auction. There is an 18% buyer fee. I do not know if there is any reserve prices. Please contact the auction site with questions.
Location is in Rushville, IL. This town is about an hour NW of Springfield, IL.
Our local room is selling 12' snooker, 9' pool tables, 10' pool table, 8' pool table and 10' Gabriel billiard table along with chairs and high tables. All the table currently have Simonis cloth. Tables are a mix of Gold Crown, old Brunswick and A.E. Schmidt

Auctiion site:
Webster Auctioneers - Beardstown, IL

Webster Auctioneers

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RIP Joe Salazar

lfigueroa
Just remembered a funny Joe story.

I can't recall at which event I heard this happened at but it was quite a while ago. Joe was headed back to his room and was rolling a couple of those big dealer cases into the hotel elevator. He rolls the first one in and turns to get the second one when the elevator doors closes. He frantically hits the down button but up the first case goes. Of course he freaks out but somehow the case comes back down with all the cues still inside.

Lou Figueroa
think I would
have passed out
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Any videos of Dr Dave in an actual match?

Bob Jewett
iusedtoberich said:
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Players don’t jump class. It’s a complete rarity if it does happen. ...
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I think it's rare for players who have been at a level for a long time to improve significantly because they have a certain set of habits. Those are comfortable for them and a routine that their pool life keeps falling into. It's human nature to find a routine.

To break out of that is very hard. The player has to break a routine or soften an obstinate attitude to leave the plateau, maybe like truly working on their weaknesses or admitting that maybe instruction can help them. 😉

Same results as always? Try a change.
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Any videos of Dr Dave in an actual match?

lfigueroa
Oikawa said:
Most of those 450s not reaching 500 is due to the amount/quality of practice not being high enough, not that they are at their "genetic skill ceiling". I can see the maturing argument for 60+ or especially 70+ year olds in that it gets exponentially harder to jump class in pool past a certain age, but even then, the level they reached isn't mostly about genetics to begin with, it was how much practice and table time they put in throughout their life.

For younger adults, lets say roughly 20-60 year olds with average health, average physique and average "pool talent", the true skill ceiling depends if you are speaking practically (within the constraints of their life) or theoretically (giving up everything for pool + being rich). Most adults have jobs and families to support, so them putting in 40+ hour practice time per week isn't realistic. Most people also aren't lucky or rich enough to be able to afford or otherwise locate world-class coaching. So these two factors already make 99% of peoples practice suboptimal.

In the case of a typical 30-50 year old 500 or 600 rated player, who has played for 10-20 years, practices 0-10 hours a week and has not done major technical changes in their game for years, it is hard, but definitely possible to jump 50, or even 100 fargo points within 2-5 years. But most people don't have the amount of time for what that takes. And even more importantly, most people don't practice well enough for that to happen. Quality of practice, including making technical changes as needed, is the simple most important thing, which greatly benefits from coaching. So, I wouldn't call talent the deciding factor for most people, but rather the time and quality of practice they happen to get in.

If we compare two players who both practiced roughly the same time over their life, started at the same age, had same quality of practice, but the other ended up at 500 and the other at 700 given their course of life, then talent is an appropriate word. But saying 500s who have already played for years are stuck at 500 for life due to their lack of talent isn't accurate. Sure, there are exceptions, medical conditions can severely handicap your game, but not a single average-health, average-brain 50 year old is hard capped at 500 due to their lack of talent. It just becomes more and more difficult the older you are, especially considering practical limitations of time and quality.

A common example of a 700 is someone who started in their early teenage years or even younger, possibly parents owning a pool hall or a bar, put in a lot of practice time in their teenage years and/or early adulthood playing with other 700s. Then when they are 30-40, and playing at 700 speed, a 600 who started at 20 yo with average practice routines will look at their game and think the 700 is so talented. But it is very possible that the 600 would also be a 700 had they started at the same age with the same amount of practice throughout their life.

Again, I agree with your arguments for reaching 750+, or 700+ for those who didn't start young. But below that it's much more about practice time/quality.
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I agree with most of this.

You have to put in the time and do the reps but you also have to know what needs improving, how to make changes, evaluate what you've changed, then wash, rinse, and repeat. Just hitting balls ain't gonna do it. So you either have the insight and self-awareness to do it on your own or you need a sherpa to guide you up the mountain. No reason a player with half decent mechanics and understanding of the game's physics can't improve 50 points if they're willing to do the work.

Lou Figueroa
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Where are the 'lost' Mosconi videos?

lfigueroa
Just few random thoughts:

Somewhere during the Mosconi v Caras match, which is available, it is mentioned that it's their second match. I've always wondered if somewhere in the WWoS vault the first match isn't sitting around.

I love the "I've Got a Secret" footage because after he's ID'd he goes over to a table they've wheeled in and runs a rack (in coat and tie) like it was nuthin'.

Lastly, my recollection is that many moons ago Bert Kinister spent a lot of time raiding libraries for old pool footage and put out one or maybe two tapes of the stuff he'd assembled. There's a lot of the recreated stuff and trick shots but there's also some footage of stuff like Mosconi putting on a WWII USO exhibition and other random stuff like that.

Lou Figueroa
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Any videos of Dr Dave in an actual match?

Oikawa
iusedtoberich said:
The pecking order at the local hall never changes. Except when someone is coming up, or when someone gets old. Every player here knows this, we all see it with our own eyes.

The reason is genetics gave each of us a max.

The truth is people are born better or worse than each other. Everyone is not equal at birth.
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I've seen counter examples of this from those who put in massive amounts of quality practice, getting from 500 to 650 or 400 to 550 even at 40+ years old within a span of 5 years. The reason most don't is that they don't put in the time or take it seriously enough. 95% of those within the pecking order are nowhere near putting in enough time or quality needed for this. So I agree with the pecking order mostly not changing practically speaking, but the reason isn't only talent or lack of. It's the work they put in. And most people put relatively low amount of work into pool.
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