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Tougher tables did not help USA pros for 20 years

DynoDan
SUPERSTAR said:
I don't think the tighter pockets have anything to do with it. At least in pool rooms. When it comes to practice.

You go to the local pool room, without a doubt, THE TIGHTEST TABLES IN THE ROOM, HAVE THE ABSOLUTE WORST PLAYERS ON IT, playing one pocket or 9ball with 20 innings per game. LIKE THEY ARE CHALLENGING THEMSELVES ON HOW BAD THEY SUCK.
This is absolutely everywhere and as far as I am concerned, the standard.
So much so, that I think good players just don't even bother with tight equipment. Especially given the fact that no one wants to deal with garbage players who gatekeep the tight tables if you end up with a game wanting you to pay their table time to get off the table or wanting to finish their game that takes another hour.

If the entire room had 4' tight pockets, that's a different story, but where does that happen?
And 4' tight pockets with diamonds and that extra shelf is a total snoozefest to watch. By far, the stupidest pool I have ever watched. And no, I'm not talking about new cloth. I'm talking bout the other 51 weeks of the year that the cloth is old.

No dynamic creative aggressive pool play.
Pool players dribbling balls in the hole and winners being determined by who hung up the ball in the pockets more than their opponents, on shots that need some pace for position that literally can't go.

I think American pool players are in their own little world where the majority feel world class, but don't put in the time. Especially when you don't have to practice or prove yourself because you know your buddy is going to pick you anyway. 👀
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Back in the day, no proper room operator would let the worst players hog the best tables. You might recall, at ‘Ames’, the table Gleason & Newman initially played on had been kept covered.
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Gold Crown 7 Revealed

iusedtoberich
One of the first rooms to get them. They got qty 4. I believe this is the first time any detail has been shown under the hood to the general public. I saw in a FB post (unknown if true of course) that the first run was qty 75 units. Those would have been the ones that sold out in 4 hours. From my manufacturing experience in China, I'd guess that was a "pilot run" meant to test the production line itself. The earlier tables were probably "engineering pilots" which were meant to test the actual table design.

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Tougher tables did not help USA pros for 20 years

nataddrho
In Europe, disco was never not cool. They now produce the best electronic artists in the world….

Americans live in a culture that complains that time is too valuable to be wasted, and then go home to a dirty house and watch TV for 3 hours a day.

We have a tremendously toxic relationship with time. It bleeds into everything we do.
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Hard to Find the Center of the Cue Ball

Island Drive
ChrisinNC said:
I know center CB is advised when you don’t need spin for positioning, but I’ve found that particularly under pressure and late in the rack, even when CB position is not needed, it’s more comfortable for me to apply some inside or outside, as I’ve done my entire life as a pool player.

I’ve found that I’ve missed some really crucial easy 9 ball shots trying to convince myself to try to hit center ball, but then I guess subconsciously in the middle of the stroke I either accidentally apply spin and don’t adjust my aim point or visa versa, causing a miss. Does anyone else experience this?
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Yes....
By doing it this way, you miss more.
When doing a punch type hit you'll miss less.
Because... if your not in the center cb area then.
Outside cueing introduced spin, squirt.
Don't forget to include in you shot process before pulling the trigger, are the balls dirty is it humid, or ????? clean Or??
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Predator Men's 10 Ball JAX

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skogstokig said:
i saw that. one shot later he was in deep deep trouble, and gomez seemingly said something like you may regret being nice, lol

but atencio massé'd out of the snooker and eventually he won the rack

much improved player, atencio. he did not miss many balls in that match.
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Atencio's got the whole package. Give him another year or two and he could be up there in the top 10, or even the top 5.
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Tougher tables did not help USA pros for 20 years

Frosty
Oh, so you found a new way to cry about Diamond tables and wedge in how you think GC’s are better.

American players failures have nothing to do with Diamond tables or smaller pockets. It’s American players desire to play on Fisher Price kid boxes and refer to it as pool that creates the problem. It would be sort of like Americans playing nothing but putt putt instead of golf, and then crying that American golfers get crushed by golfers from elsewhere.
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Tougher tables did not help USA pros for 20 years

JolietJames
Kris_b1104 said:
The Euros have us beat in every single category you can think of:

Lag
Shot-making
Safeties
Lag
Break
Decision-making
Push-out
Lag
Position play

And those are just some of the physical side of things. They can spot us the 7 and out in the mental aspect of the game as well.

Pocket sizes doesn't really come into play in the grand scheme of things, the cream always rises to the top.
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Their talent pool is larger, deeper, and better trained.
The pocket sizes have nothing to do with it.
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Tougher tables did not help USA pros for 20 years

sjm
iusedtoberich said:
Everyone and their mother says practicing on tougher equipment makes one a better player. USA dominated Mosconi Cup when Gold Crowns were the standard. Once Diamond with 4.5" Pro-Cut pockets took over in the USA from about 2005 until today, Europe has dominated. The tables Europe play on (Dynamic, SAM) don't have nearly the deep shelf the Diamond does, even if the pockets happened to be tightened to the same 4.5" at the mouth.

Food for thought.
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Not on board with this line of reasoning. In 2005, most of the top players in pro pool were still American. Entering the 21st century, only a handful of Europeans were full-time players of American pool. Among them were Ortmann, Souquet, Feijen, Lely, Chamat, and Immonen, and nearly none of the others traveled to America to compete. In all the major pool events, the fields before 2000 featured very few Europeans.

The watershed moment came in 2000 when Matchroom, which produced only the Mosconi Cup and the World Pool Masters at the time, made its first ever move into large-scale tournament pool, producing the World 9ball in Cardiff for 2000-2003. Although the Euro-tour had existed since 1992, for many Europeans, and I have spoken with some of them over the years, this is when American pool came into full view among European cueists. In 2004, the World 9ball moved to Asia, but Europe's interest in American pool had been piqued, and from 2005-15, the number of Europeans playing American pool skyrocketed. From 2015-25, the game became increasingly global, and there are now great players in every corner of the globe.

Americans dominated at American pool prior to 2005, to some extent, because they were the ones playing it. While there is no denying that pocket size figures in the equation, attributing America's fall from grace to the tightening of the pockets is missing the boat. Everyone plays 9ball now, and the American domination seen prior to 2005 may never be seen again.
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Hard to Find the Center of the Cue Ball

nataddrho
ShootingArts said:
Gonna make a guess based on issues making the money ball. I missed the money ball far more than I should have for years. Finally figured it out. Every other shot, I played to make the ball and get shape. Money ball, I didn't need shape so I just played not to scratch. I was playing the money ball shot differently than any other shot!

I cured my problem by choosing a spot for shape when I shot the money ball, then it became just like any other shot.

For practice, shoot the spot to spot shot but put a gate to go through. Something else, put a ball near the cue ball's path. Keep getting it closer until you can almost rub it without the cue ball getting sucked into it.

99% certain your unconscious is causing your issues. Need to train it not to anticipate.

Hu
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What is even better is to imagine a second money ball sitting in front of a pocket in a convenient location. Then you end up playing the shot exactly the same as if you were playing for shape on a next ball. Playing to a spot is very similar but may not be exactly the same depending on if you play every shot to a spot you pick out or if you just play to windows.
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Buy UltraSkin Layered Cue Tips

Hail Mary Shot
muskyed said:
I just put one of those on a Rhino Must carbon shaft I got a few weeks back. Was going to put it on about a week back as I didn't like the tip that came with it, it was too hard for my taste and I like hard tips. If you saw my posts a week ago about how I had an attention lapse and turned the wrong wheel on my lathe you'll understand why I took a week to finally get that tip installed. Anyway, I use a lot of their tips but never tried the pro version, so decided to try that one this time. Definitely softened the hit up, only shot about 50 shots with it and probably won't shoot it again till after league tonight as it's just a spare shaft for me. I'll either end up with that tip or their soft black for this shaft. Too early to tell at this time.
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I see. you must prefer the Fire Medium if I'm not mistaken. for me, that fire tip is great and consistent. although I did have a bad game using it recently but that was due to me really tired during that day. I really love the PRO a lot better than the Fire. and I also have their Super soft on my main shaft previously. I thought their supersoft was amazing, never thought that the PRO would be on another level for me. don't get me wrong, both tips are amazing, I'm just leaning on using the PRO more nowadays. I might go for a practice/warm-up routine later today (weather permitting). the other shaft is still on the way either tomorrow or thursday.
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