Was pool better 50 years ago?

I also think that people here either forget or are too young to remember that 50 years ago and all before that - straight pool was always the most visible pool event to the masses in the U.S. via Wide World of Sports on TV and the major event mostly held in NYC large hotel ball rooms. Johnston City tournament was not a broadcast event.

Major 14.1 events were “sterile” in nature as players were in a Tux, tables were refereed, fan attendees sat in utter silence except for applause occasionally on great shots. You could hear a pin drop in the ballrooms in NYC during play- I attended a few of the events held toward the mid and late 70s in NYC.

Even the 1989 US open 14.1 revival held in Chicago’s Palmer House Hotel( I attended) the players were in a tux and the room was extremely parochial from a game and player behavior standpoint. This was the last one that I recall being so formal. The subsequent events in NYC in the early 90s were much less formal in structure.

Fedor Gorst - looking for action in Louisville, KY tomorrow. If you could - would you?

suckers play the slot machines and justify it for whatever reason. that's on them. at least there once in awhile they do win.

suckers play better players even for money and justify it in their minds . fine with me.

but if you are stupid enough to do it with a pro and play even. at least make it a one and stop game. then you get to shoot as many times as him.
but will still lose. but will get some play in.
now maybe you wont be such a fool. as a fool and his money will part.

Some 20-odd years ago the casinos came to St. Louis and they completely and totally killed pool room action.

I was sitting on the rail next to a grizzled veteran of the pool wars who couldn't get a game and was bemoaning the situation. Staring straight ahead he said, "I ain't playing nothin' that stands against a wall 24 hours a day and says, 'I'll play you whenever you like; any time of the night or day; you can bet whatever you want; I will never quit and I will never ask you to adjust.'"

Lou Figueroa

Lil Al Romero

Having moved to So. Cal Long Beach in summer of 76 I heard about em.
A yr or so later we crossed paths.
One thing jumped out at me!
He always wore collared short sleeved shirts with his ''tails'' hanging out.
Well tell the tail.
He'd practiced so much on the GC, the metal edges cut horizontal holes into his shirt tails just below the beltline.
I said to myself, I'm just starting to Play that much, this man plays ALLOT.... so respect/avoidance/rumor mill were in play.
Don't think Hashimoto would of matched up with him in Public view back then.
Some of the old timers would matchup privately, Heubert Cokes/Fats Was a great example.

Fedor Gorst - looking for action in Louisville, KY tomorrow. If you could - would you?

D. Diliberto said that commentating on a youtube match. The more involved a player, the deeper the buzz talk. :ROFLMAO: Doubt if there's even a credible source.

I think Danny's comment, which he made often, was about shooting a questionable shot being evidence that you were mad at your backer.

Lou Figueroa
or sumthin' like that

Was pool better 50 years ago?

Dear SJM, garczar, and Middle of Nowhere,

Thanks for the correction on the first name. Of course I meant Carl the referee, not the Champagne Eddy. “Middleofnowhere” is nearly right. The family name was not “Zingle” but, I’m pretty sure, “Zingale.”

“Garczar,”. Yes, I am older than dirt. As for “Onofriooooo…” and “was there electricity then,” yes, there was electricity then. It was generated by waterwheels. The wheels turned as the water came over Niagara Falls. The electricity was useful for lighting pool tables in New York City. So much brighter and cleaner than the hissing gas lights. But of course we still weren’t sure that alternating current was really safe.

Lauri’s youth would have been, I imagine, in Greenleaf’s declining years. He was still around in the late Sixties as an entrant in the straight pool tournaments in New York. By then he was a “spoiler.” One of the top pro’s said of Lauri then, “No, he can’t win the tournament. But you can’t win either if YOU can’t beat HIM.”

Think Jose Parica in height but bald and in a tuxedo and in his late seventies, when the Social Security actuaries were doing their calculations based on sixty-eight as the average life span for an American male. So it was a wonder that he was still a hurdle in big time tournaments.

There was nothing unusual about playing him. Nothing at all…except maybe that if the match stretched into dinner time his wife might come into the room. She was about twice his size dressed all in black, and carried a neatly covered meal on a tray which she would put down on the table next to his chair. And then SHE would sit down and scowl at his opponent with a face that implied some form of malevolent magic. I don’t know if this was her common practice, but I do know she did it at least once during play in the ballroom of The Commodore Hotel. Talk about sharking your opponent! I have been told this also occurred in less formal settings.

According to a report, Lauri died in action. He was playing a straight pool match to one hundred in a pool room. He had something like ninety and had broken the rack nicely. He is supposed to have asked, “How many do I need?” To the answer “Ten,” I have heard that he responded quite clearly, “I don’t think I am going to make it.” The rail was astonished because the out looked easy, and then it was stunned when a few balls later Lauri collapsed. The firehouse across the street was alerted and rushed to help but Onofrio was gone.

If you know the picture of Luther Lassiter stretched out over the table to shoot left handed and using his peculiar right handed bridge, Lauri used to be sitting on the left in that picture, but these days the left side gets cropped out. There was also a fourth player, who coincidentally also died while playing. I can’t remember that player’s name. So the original shot had the player whose name I can’t remember, Lauri, Lassiter, and Irving Crane in the frame. All but Crane died with a cue in their hand.

“Older than dirt” indeed, garczar! On January 31, I’ll be eighty-three. I’ll be celebrating the day at the Derby, where I intend to spend nine days feeling disdain for this present fallen generation.

PS: And I won’t care whether the moving walkway has been fixed or not.
Mike Eufemia died at an exhibition in Crown Billiards in New London Ct - Mike ran hundreds at will in practice - collapsed at the table - in the early 70s I believe.

Gold Crown II

I hear Yale billiards was selling all the gcs. think they are 3s, not sure if they're all gone at this point, might be worth checking.
Yes I went there and played on them. Those tables were altered to 4 1/2 pockets and cushions replaced at some point - they did not play correct IMO - the rails were unpredictable and the pockets were not done correctly - they would need major surgery to play again as a true GC

Drill System

Here’s a comment by Cornerman from a few years ago about a similar drill:

“Allen Hopkins’s Q-skills. The first ten balls were open and worth 1 pt each. The last five were in rotation, each being 2 pts. So max 20 per frame, ten frames. Mike’s flip option made for an advancement of the game.”

pj
chgo
Sounds exactly like it. I remember "chickening out" sometimes and just taking all the 15 balls worth 1 point each (no rotation) for just a max of 15 pts a rack or max 150 over 10 frames if that was what I needed to improve or maintain my previous score or best. 150 was always a good goal for me, hard to achieve back then, as I'm a little older now, probably a lot harder. Look forward to finding out. Thank you sir!

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Once I figure out what this is I can recommend it to anyone, especially if you are not a disciplined practicer like me as, it always forced me to run through at least 10 racks a day, I felt like it was something I had to do, not sure why lol, but I just built it into my daily schedule. Best. ~Razor

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Sounds a lot like FARGO (Flip and Run, Guts Offense), a practice game invented by MIke Page.

Smash break a full rack, take ball in hand (or not), and shoot any ball (like straight pool) until you get to a point where you think you can run the rest in rotation - then try that. I think you get 1 point for each "random" ball and 2 points for each rotation ball.

The rules were posted here years ago. (The "flip" part refers to putting a coin on the rail and flipping it over when you start the rotation phase.)

pj
chgo

Drill System

Edit to add: it was not the other I just found where you go thru various progressive levels {maybe the RDS?), fail a level, go back, complete a level go to next, etc. This was simple I just ran through 10 racks, recorded a score after each of the 10 racks. The balls were racked in any order/randomly. Always a full rack as I remember? Just bust em wide open using your best 8 ball break. It was also good for us non-break practicers. Made me hit at least 10 full rack breaks every day. Cheers. ~Razcor

Was pool better 50 years ago?

Sorry, but these were not the visible players of fifty years ago. Fifty years ago today, the US Open 9ball was having its very first edition and pro pool was still mostly straight pool. Sigel was still primarily an action player that had just turned pro at the time was about to hit the competitive mainstream by 1978. I had not even heard of Sigel fifty years ago, let alone seen him. Earl was 14 and had not hit the scene yet. Ronnie Allen was chiefly a one-pocket action player. Based on JAM's posts, Keith was chiefly an action player, too, fifty years ago and would remain such. All of this was long before Youtube, Accu-stats and streamed pool and the action players toiled in obscurity in the backrooms of America. Unlike today, only tournament players enjoyed any real fanfare back then.

It was still the era in which players wore tuxedos in world championships and the game was quite a bit more formal than it is today. There was no event to compare to the Mosconi Cup or the Reyes Cup, events in which players are animated and vocal and crowds go wild and create a party atmosphere in the arena. Pro events had yet to partner with major amateur events, an eventuality that made pro pool highly visible to amateur players. In fact, the BCA and APA leagues did not exist yet.

Off the top of my head, some of the most visible players back then were guys like Ray Martin, Allen Hopkins, Dallas West, Steve Mizerak, Nick Varner, Jim Rempe and Buddy Hall. Every one of them was a great player, but to suggest that they were greater entertainers or more "fast and loose" than today's crop doesn't jive with my observation, and I was attending tournaments even back then.
I think you are trying to be to specific timewise. 1981 Sigel was player of the year and had already won like 2 dozen tournaments from a round 74 on.

Drill System

Hello Friends,

Long time, no talk. Hope everyone is doing well and hitting em straight. Anyway, I used to practice using this system that I think I learned about here. I don't remember if i can tag people on this forum or not, but I am trying to find that old system I used. I liked the pressure it added at the end as you transitioned to rotation (which I believe was always optional because sometimes I remember "chickening out" lol and just focusing on running all 15 balls in any pocket any order to get at least the minimum score each inning). Anyway you could track your progress/improvement on a simple excel sheet with your scores. Beating your previous best or screwing up on a simple shot in the non-rotation phase also added a little pressure.

I suppose if I describe it as I remember it, someone can point me in the right direction to find the exact rules/scoring instructions.

In short, I think it was 10 racks. Rack, break, take ball in hand and shoot I think a least the first 15 balls in any order / any pocket. I seem to remember the first 15? all counted as a single point, possibly the last 5? or more in rotation counted as more. I used to have a log book of all of my racks. Seemed like I recorded the score after each rack and prior to the next break..

I looked at Bowliaards (sp?) at Dr. Dave's page and I don't think that is it exactly? Anyone remember what I'm talking about?

All my best. Stay safe and hit em straight. Best.

~Razor

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