Gunmen rob Miami pool room!
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Basic rule of thumb for a CCP is that you may NOT carry anywhere there are children or alcohol present....and most local County, as well as State and Federal buildings, as well as all National Parks.
Lisa
Lisa
What you should ask yourself before you pull a gun or get a permit for one is, "will I be able to kill someone if the situation came up?" I've been shot several times and have shot others several times. I didn't and still don't have a problem with it. If you carry a handgun you need to be able to get it out fast. If you don't your wasting your time and maybe your life. I've seen too many guys with guns draw them and just freze when it comes to pulling the trigger. I started shooting other gang members with homemade zipguns in the 1950's in NY. It was part of growing up in my area. Johnnyt
Sometimes the thugs want more than your money. With severe drug abuse being a commonality for many criminals, they often are not capable of making rational decisions and often shoot their victims for paranoid reasons known only to themselves.
In the case of the former employee who comes in search of the boss and any co-worker he might not have seen eye to eye with, I would very much like to have a gun to take his life first.
In the case of the immigrant enraged over the implosion of his American dream, hell bent on sending as many as he can to hell, I prefer to take his life first.
In the case of the angry student who has emotional problems & intent on killing as many of his classmates and teachers as he can mow down, I prefer to take his life first, instead of losing my niece or nephew.
In the case of the druggie so far gone that he doesn't know reality from inner voices, poised to kill if necessary to obtain the resources to resupply him with his drug of choice, I would prefer to have a gun on me just in case I didn't have enough cash to satisfy his needs. Even then, his voices might override even a good pay day and I would want to be prepared.
It's kind of harsh talk but today's life and circumstances must make you wonder how you should best protect yourself and your loved ones but as always, "It is up to each person to work out their own salvation".
I would not wish to take any person's life but if I had the opportunity to stop them from taking another innocent's life or mine, I would want to be prepared to do so.
JoeyA
Good points, The only reason i dont keep on this conversation because im here to talk about pool.
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Wow, Peg's is still open. Is that still Dave's place?
As for the robbery, that is a shame. I hope they catch the person responsible!
Voodoo Daddy
One Pocket 101
Both of those robbery's happened at night. Growing up in that area I know the following. Pegs, a long time pool room is in a very secluded area while Hot Shots is right on US-1. Both neighborhoods offer a wide variety of side streets and onclaves to hide to in a hurry. I teach the CCW course and if ANY of you decide to take action and take the responsibility of carrying a firearm, just think before you act.
FSutton may be right about Hollywood, he might not be but I know one pool player that DOES NOT enter a South Florida pool room at night w/o his best friend, Smith & Wesson .38 Snubnose and/or ParaOrdnance .45ACP!!! :grin:
FSutton may be right about Hollywood, he might not be but I know one pool player that DOES NOT enter a South Florida pool room at night w/o his best friend, Smith & Wesson .38 Snubnose and/or ParaOrdnance .45ACP!!! :grin:
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I had some problems at my first poolroom in Bakersfield in the 70's. A group of thugs was demanding "protection" money from local business owners and I didn't want to pay. A police sergeant I knew helped me obtain a gun (.38 S&W, loaded with hollow points) and a permit. I had to go to the police chief's office to get the permit, which stated that I could carry the gun to and from the bank. My sergeant friend said that anywhere I went could be construed as "to and from" the bank.
My friend gave me one piece of advice that I never forgot. He said that if you take the gun out, you MUST be prepared to use it. Never "bluff" in other words. I only took the gun out twice in seven years, once to protect a friend who was being beaten up outside by two guys. He was on the ground, nearly unconscious and being kicked when I came outside. I put a quick stop to that, without shooting anyone by the way. Showing them the gun was enough to make them stop. I would have shot the next guy who kicked him though. I was prepared.
The second time was when the "gangsters" visited me and demanded "protection" money. I told them (two guys in suits) that I would have to discuss it with my partner. I went behind the counter and removed the gun from under the register. I motioned for the one guy to come over and talk to me. When he did, I raised the gun up just enough for him to see it. I told him "my partner" didn't want to pay. He looked at me and never said a word. He walked out with his buddy and I never saw them again.
These stories are not in Pool Wars. :wink:
My friend gave me one piece of advice that I never forgot. He said that if you take the gun out, you MUST be prepared to use it. Never "bluff" in other words. I only took the gun out twice in seven years, once to protect a friend who was being beaten up outside by two guys. He was on the ground, nearly unconscious and being kicked when I came outside. I put a quick stop to that, without shooting anyone by the way. Showing them the gun was enough to make them stop. I would have shot the next guy who kicked him though. I was prepared.
The second time was when the "gangsters" visited me and demanded "protection" money. I told them (two guys in suits) that I would have to discuss it with my partner. I went behind the counter and removed the gun from under the register. I motioned for the one guy to come over and talk to me. When he did, I raised the gun up just enough for him to see it. I told him "my partner" didn't want to pay. He looked at me and never said a word. He walked out with his buddy and I never saw them again.
These stories are not in Pool Wars. :wink:
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When I took the class with about a dozen other people I happened to be the largest person in the class. The deputy giving it singled me out. "If someone was twenty feet away coming at you with a knife what would you do?"
"Empty a magazine in him if I get my gun out in time."
The deputy was a little surprised but asked the second biggest person in the class what he would do. Being my brother he said he'd do exactly the same thing!
The deputy sounded distinctly disappointed and a little taken aback as he acknowledged that this was the right answer but most people didn't know that. He was expecting foolish answers from folks that looked like they could handle themselves in most situations but my thought is if someone is silly enough to bring a knife to a gunfight that isn't my problem.
Hu
When I took the class with about a dozen other people I happened to be the largest person in the class. The deputy giving it singled me out. "If someone was twenty feet away coming at you with a knife what would you do?"
"Empty a magazine in him if I get my gun out in time."
The deputy was a little surprised but asked the second biggest person in the class what he would do. Being my brother he said he'd do exactly the same thing!
The deputy sounded distinctly disappointed and a little taken aback as he acknowledged that this was the right answer but most people didn't know that. He was expecting foolish answers from folks that looked like they could handle themselves in most situations but my thought is if someone is silly enough to bring a knife to a gunfight that isn't my problem.
Hu
If he is 20 feet away with the knife out and coming hard you or anyone else is screwed. You might shoot him but only after you get stabbed. I will see if I can find the video where this is proven.
Edit: "Surving Edged Weapons" is the video. An old school training video. Reinforces the point that having your mind prepared is as important as having the right tools.
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That is the basis for the state's 21 foot rule
That is of course the basis for the state's 21 foot rule. On the other hand, I have never seen any video of what happens when someone is taking evasive action at the same time they are drawing. I have drawn from hands over my head and knocked down five steel plates in under 2.5 seconds. I think my chances are pretty good between knowing what to do and being a master class shooter.
Hu
That is of course the basis for the state's 21 foot rule. On the other hand, I have never seen any video of what happens when someone is taking evasive action at the same time they are drawing. I have drawn from hands over my head and knocked down five steel plates in under 2.5 seconds. I think my chances are pretty good between knowing what to do and being a master class shooter.
Hu
Florida CCW Laws
There is a loophole in the Florida CCW law that says as long as you are not sitting at the 'bar' where the bartender is but sitting at a table in the establishment, your CCW is allowed. The only other thing that could cause you trouble is the part that says,' where illicit gambling is taking place.' Hell, no one gambles in a pool hall.
Actually, not all of what you wrote is accurate. Suffice to say that CCP laws differ greatly from state to state. While perhaps what you wrote is the case in your state, it is not the case across the board in Connecticut nor in New York. As to the temporary lapse in permission to carry in National Parks, according to the most recent NRA newsletter, that injustice will be rectified before memorial day.
Mike, is it turning into a thread about guns or a thread about personal protection, preparedness, refusing to become a victim & rights granted to all eligible Americans under the 2nd Amendment?
All one needs to do is look to the 3 tragic shootings that have occurred in the last week or so to realize that if a licensed firearm owner was present & carrying, it's a good bet there would've been far less loss of life. Just remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. -Z-
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lol.... Ok.
Billiards clubs and robberies; Who'da thunk?
Just another day in paradise.