DP.News posted about the match Williams vs Alcaide while Williams were warming up at the table, so I guess DP.News is actually used by Dragon Promotions staff.
What is the Beef With Dragon Promotions and The Predator 10 Ball Championships?
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DP.News posted about the match Williams vs Alcaide while Williams were warming up at the table, so I guess DP.News is actually used by Dragon Promotions staff.
He'd eat a homeless person if you dared him.
Best thing I ever read on the subject (from the last post in the thread Dynomite linked to)
I am still a little in the dark. Are people not clearing this up cuz they don't know, don't want to harsh anyone's mellow, or it's super old news and everyone already knows, so why rehash it?
What exactly did CW do with this "marissa" thing? Basically tried to sneak into her hotel room and get naked when she was totally not interested?
As for the rest, it sounds like he made some bad decisions for a tour/organization he tried to start up. He tried to be overly competitive about it and wanted people to sign up exclusively for his tour, and was too aggressive on the business end of things and the way he handled the money.
The second is not the worst thing in the world. Sounds like he learned from his mistakes... DP productions seem well-run, with top players in a nice environment and good coverage. I remember thinking that about their "world straight pool championships" (tho I remember there was some bítching about that as well) too, a little while back. He's doing something good for pool and I don't want to discourage that.
As for the first thing.. I don't know anything about it (someone clear it up?!) but all I can say is... desperation to get laid is one of the most powerful motivators on earth, and if there was alcohol involved that removes a lot of the common sense inhibitions we have. Not gonna apologize for the guy if he did something truly horrible that really traumatized marissa... but if all he did was get hammered and badly embarrass himself, I dunno. I'm inclined to say 'let's forget about it'.
Best thing I ever read on the subject (from the last post in the thread Dynomite linked to)
I am still a little in the dark. Are people not clearing this up cuz they don't know, don't want to harsh anyone's mellow, or it's super old news and everyone already knows, so why rehash it?
What exactly did CW do with this "marissa" thing? Basically tried to sneak into her hotel room and get naked when she was totally not interested?
As for the rest, it sounds like he made some bad decisions for a tour/organization he tried to start up. He tried to be overly competitive about it and wanted people to sign up exclusively for his tour, and was too aggressive on the business end of things and the way he handled the money.
The second is not the worst thing in the world. Sounds like he learned from his mistakes... DP productions seem well-run, with top players in a nice environment and good coverage. I remember thinking that about their "world straight pool championships" (tho I remember there was some bítching about that as well) too, a little while back. He's doing something good for pool and I don't want to discourage that.
As for the first thing.. I don't know anything about it (someone clear it up?!) but all I can say is... desperation to get laid is one of the most powerful motivators on earth, and if there was alcohol involved that removes a lot of the common sense inhibitions we have. Not gonna apologize for the guy if he did something truly horrible that really traumatized marissa... but if all he did was get hammered and badly embarrass himself, I dunno. I'm inclined to say 'let's forget about it'.
In that case, Guilty by Association at the very least. :thumbup:
As far as the Marissa thing, I would PM her to see if she wants to relive the incident. But know that if what she said happened to her is true, and no reason to believe other wise because Charlie never told his side, he should have been severely punished.
True.
As you, I have no reason to believe Marissa has lied about the incident, but in my opinion Marissa should go directly to the police about what supposedly happened. She should never write about it on this forum only, with no intention of letting Charlie Williams defend himself in a proper way.
I can understand why Charlie has refused to reply to those posts on this forum, and I believe Marissa should feel lucky that Charlie didn't use the law against her to "shut her up" and apologize for the posts.
I believe people who red-rep Charlie Williams and DP.News because of this, are wrong, because we still haven't heard Charlie's side of the story, and I guess we never will, unless one of them brings it to the court.
JMHO
Sweet Marissa
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When I phoned the Jacksonville police they would not take a police report over state lines. At least by letting others know, hopefully it won't happen to another unknowing female, as the exact same thing happened to another lady even before my incident.
Roy, I agree with most of what you said. IMO, The right thing for Marissa to do is to press her charges with the police rather than use this forum to smear someone's reputation.
I also think that the AZB moderators should step up to the plate and impose infractions upon anyone who persists in smearing CW's reputation based upon unproven allegations.
Not your choice to dedcide what another person should do...
CW hasn't provided his input- his choice to refrain- likely indicating involvement and embarrassment..
I am on the fence obout the hotel situations, save one fact. He friggin had room keys to distribute!
edwin reyes
hi folks..i have been away from AZ for sometime and i was lurking yesterday and i've seen some signatures with edwin reyes aka bandido with the Rest In peace thing.... is he D..D?..OMG i hope not..
can somebody please enligghtened me??
hi folks..i have been away from AZ for sometime and i was lurking yesterday and i've seen some signatures with edwin reyes aka bandido with the Rest In peace thing.... is he D..D?..OMG i hope not..
can somebody please enligghtened me??
Yes, he was murdered about a month ago.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=139245&highlight=edwin+reyes
Omg!..omg!
i cannot believe it... we were even supposed to meet few months back when i went back for my father's funeral..
... he paid the ultimate price in trying to advance and defend the cause of pro pool players in the phil...
..i'm sure they have an idea who the culprit is...
..it's really dangerous out there the Phil. , where for a few US dollars , you can have somebody's life be taken...
its senseless... i cannot believe it.. edwin and I have shared the passion here in AZ trying to fight for the proplayers cause...
sorry to hijack this thread..
now, i cannot blame jay and some few who will not buck the dirty people out there in the Phil.. you know who they are..
what goes around come around...
i cannot believe it... we were even supposed to meet few months back when i went back for my father's funeral..
... he paid the ultimate price in trying to advance and defend the cause of pro pool players in the phil...
..i'm sure they have an idea who the culprit is...
..it's really dangerous out there the Phil. , where for a few US dollars , you can have somebody's life be taken...
its senseless... i cannot believe it.. edwin and I have shared the passion here in AZ trying to fight for the proplayers cause...
sorry to hijack this thread..
now, i cannot blame jay and some few who will not buck the dirty people out there in the Phil.. you know who they are..
what goes around come around...
I just worked on the Predator Ten Ball event with the entire Dragon Promotions crew. Charlie was not that much involved with the actual running of the tournament, preferring to focus on playing and leave the rest to his crew.
First of all Cindy Lee and her associates Jenny and Sally do an excellent job of handling all aspects of the tournament. They co-ordinate the scheduling of everything from the player meeting to match times to prize money pay-outs etc. etc. And they kept all three tournament charts updated continuously! This alone is not an easy task. It made my job of overseeing the event much easier to do. And I had lots of help from tournament emcee and announcer Scott Smith plus Justin Acker and John Leyman who also served as co-directors.
The fact that this five and half day event ran so smoothly is no surprise to me. Dragon Promotions is a professional organization staffed by people who take their job seriously. The fact that they have succeeded so well is testament to the hard work that everyone puts in on their staff (read that long hours). This year they will produce over thirty events worldwide, many of which we will never hear about on here because they are celebrity and charity events.
First of all Cindy Lee and her associates Jenny and Sally do an excellent job of handling all aspects of the tournament. They co-ordinate the scheduling of everything from the player meeting to match times to prize money pay-outs etc. etc. And they kept all three tournament charts updated continuously! This alone is not an easy task. It made my job of overseeing the event much easier to do. And I had lots of help from tournament emcee and announcer Scott Smith plus Justin Acker and John Leyman who also served as co-directors.
The fact that this five and half day event ran so smoothly is no surprise to me. Dragon Promotions is a professional organization staffed by people who take their job seriously. The fact that they have succeeded so well is testament to the hard work that everyone puts in on their staff (read that long hours). This year they will produce over thirty events worldwide, many of which we will never hear about on here because they are celebrity and charity events.
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I cannot. Most of these events are held overseas (with maybe one or two in the Orlando area). That is their big market, ASIA! Not the USA. They only do events here to help keep pro pool alive in the states. The Predator Ten Ball might be a more profitable event for them if it was held in Korea. I believe you can find out about their events worldwide by going to their website.
Thanks - I was just thinking that a few members here would like to donate to a charity that also supports pool.
Charlie's "room key" episodes are about as bad as T Rex's 61 pounds of drugs, imo. I've only met him a couple of times and he seemed like an arrogant ***** both times.
He was taking money at the door at the UPA tournament in Athens a few years back and I didn't have any cash as I left home without it. I told him I would just add it to my tab but he wanted to deny me entry to the pool room because I didn't have $15 in cash. I told him that I was about to run up at least a $500 bar tab and I would flip him a coin for all the money he had in his cash box. Needless to say, papa Murphy came over and told him to let me in.
Everytime I see his new forum name (DP News), It makes me think of Charlie in the hallway of a hotel fumbling around with room keys in hopes of having a 3 some with some skanky couple, lol.
He was taking money at the door at the UPA tournament in Athens a few years back and I didn't have any cash as I left home without it. I told him I would just add it to my tab but he wanted to deny me entry to the pool room because I didn't have $15 in cash. I told him that I was about to run up at least a $500 bar tab and I would flip him a coin for all the money he had in his cash box. Needless to say, papa Murphy came over and told him to let me in.
Everytime I see his new forum name (DP News), It makes me think of Charlie in the hallway of a hotel fumbling around with room keys in hopes of having a 3 some with some skanky couple, lol.
Great thread. It's truly hard to fathom why Charlie, Cindy and Dragon Promotions aren't viewed with awe and reverence by the entire pool playing community.
In my estimation, only Mark Griffin is doing more for pro pool in America than Charlie Williams. Only a few others have as great an impact as Charlie on the pro pool scene.
Charlie and his staff know how to put on a great event. It's true that Charlie has pissed people off with occasional lapses in his judgment or his diplomacy, but the fact remains that he is one of pool's greatest assets. Those players who have a beef with Charlie are often just jealous of his income, but there is nothing stopping any of them from trying to produce pro pool events, except, of course, that few have his energy, diligence, business skills and experience.
The last two Dragon Promotions events I attended, the World 14.1 Championships and the Predator 10-ball, were both great experiences. If you have a chance to attend a Dragon Promotions event, you can count on a similarly positive experience.
Long live Charlie Williams and Dragon Promotions, towering presences in our sport.
PS. On this forum, I give positive rep to them, but I guess I'm one of few.
In my estimation, only Mark Griffin is doing more for pro pool in America than Charlie Williams. Only a few others have as great an impact as Charlie on the pro pool scene.
Charlie and his staff know how to put on a great event. It's true that Charlie has pissed people off with occasional lapses in his judgment or his diplomacy, but the fact remains that he is one of pool's greatest assets. Those players who have a beef with Charlie are often just jealous of his income, but there is nothing stopping any of them from trying to produce pro pool events, except, of course, that few have his energy, diligence, business skills and experience.
The last two Dragon Promotions events I attended, the World 14.1 Championships and the Predator 10-ball, were both great experiences. If you have a chance to attend a Dragon Promotions event, you can count on a similarly positive experience.
Long live Charlie Williams and Dragon Promotions, towering presences in our sport.
PS. On this forum, I give positive rep to them, but I guess I'm one of few.
I can tell you...
Charlie and DP has always assisted in community programs such as The Boy's and Girl's clubs. They have had basketball games, exhibitions, and spent time with kids in quite a few communities.
Charlie, I know you'll read this - and you should really post pictures of some of the basketball games. I am sure people will see what you do (and why you do it) in a completely different light.
Here is one picture I found at your website - I apologize to Toastie -
I have watched how hard Cindy Lee works to get the job done - and believe me, nobody works harder than she does to accomplish any mission that is set before her. IMO, she is the hardest working person in pool, hands down.
Charlie and I have not always seen eye to eye. A couple of weeks ago we were in the same room for several hours and ignored each other the entire time. That's life. One thing that nobody can take away from Charlie, is that he is a do-er. You may not agree with some of his business methods, but he delivers what he says he is going to deliver. He still manages to do all that he does while playing the game at a world class level consistently. I've watched how hard he works and how dedicated he is to putting together his events. In return, he gets a lot of crap. His response is to keep moving forward.
Why does Charlie get a lot of shitt from people? Some say it's his attitude. I think it comes down to the fact that he just moves forward despite the criticism he receives. I now that pisses people off. Some of the criticism is on target, while some of it is just personal. I think Charlie has a lot of room for improvement. I say that positively. Charlie needs to be willing to improve on those areas, and I think at some point he will do just that.
The guy works 24/7 - 365 days out of the year to promote the game of pool. He may not be all good, but he's not all bad either. Most of the people that bash Charlie have never sat down and gotten know him, or worked side by side with him.
There are a lot of good people in the DP organization. Painting them all with one brush isn't really fair IMO. They do a lot more than just promote tournaments.
After my post asking "wtf happened exactly" I got a couple of PMs.
I can see why people are reluctant to post details. What charlie is alleged to have done is very very creepy. I had incorrectly assumed he just got drunk and made a pass at someone but it's much weirder than that.
I use the word 'alleged' here to avoid legal problems... not because I'm skeptical about whether or not it happened. So far I don't have anyone saying "it definitely never happened, it's all made up" and more than one person saying "this really happened and the guy's a creep".
Anyway, no sense is being coy about it anymore, here's what he's (allegedly) done on at least one occasion, possibly 3 or more: He'd tell a female pro he has room for her as part of the motel package. He gives her a keycard. What she doesn't know is he also has his own copy of that keycard. Then in the middle of the night he'd go into her room, undress, and lay down next to her. Again, is just stuff I've heard. I have never met anyone involved personally. If it's true, he's doing this repeatedly and with plenty of planning, which makes it extremely freaky.
All I can say is... charlie is clearly good for pool, but he could also end up giving it a huge black with a scandal if he doesn't get a handle on this.
I can see why people are reluctant to post details. What charlie is alleged to have done is very very creepy. I had incorrectly assumed he just got drunk and made a pass at someone but it's much weirder than that.
I use the word 'alleged' here to avoid legal problems... not because I'm skeptical about whether or not it happened. So far I don't have anyone saying "it definitely never happened, it's all made up" and more than one person saying "this really happened and the guy's a creep".
Anyway, no sense is being coy about it anymore, here's what he's (allegedly) done on at least one occasion, possibly 3 or more: He'd tell a female pro he has room for her as part of the motel package. He gives her a keycard. What she doesn't know is he also has his own copy of that keycard. Then in the middle of the night he'd go into her room, undress, and lay down next to her. Again, is just stuff I've heard. I have never met anyone involved personally. If it's true, he's doing this repeatedly and with plenty of planning, which makes it extremely freaky.
All I can say is... charlie is clearly good for pool, but he could also end up giving it a huge black with a scandal if he doesn't get a handle on this.
I believe they recently held a 3-cushion celebrity event in Asia with an Asian pop-star and a supermodel. http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=6042
http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=6101
I don't believe these articles I listed were charity events but I know they have participated in other things where they partner with Poison/Predator to raise money for breast Cancer.
Another exciting thing is I believe they will be holding 2 more locations for this Predator 10-ball event that was held this past week in Vegas. I don't know if anything is set in stone yet but there is talk of events in Portugal and Spain later this year!
Despite what anyone's personal opinion is of Charlie Williams (I'm not disputing any of the allegations against him, I have no opinion on that), I have had nothing but positive experiences with both Charlie and Dragon Promotions (and everyone associated with Dragon Promotions for that matter).