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Marcl3954

Marcl3954

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APA should be Sanbagging inc. - 08-24-2009, 11:52 AM

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I've been asked many times to play in the APA and won't for the sanbagging reason.
I've actually been told to make sure I lose my fist match so I'd have more time before my handicap would go up.
I can't understand playing and not giving your best effort.
I also wouldn't be crazy about showing up and not playing.
I enjoy playing in leagues and tournaments knowing how good my opponent is. Making an art form out of Sandbagging and rewarding it is just a waste of time.

Anyone know if this is the way it is everywhere, or just in RI?
 
Same in my APA league area in N.C.. It is stupid to spend your $8 a league night, fake attempted shots (sandbagging/cheating) just to have your 8 man team TRY to get qualified by winning your league division, then try to win your local "cities" tournament, then try to win the "regionals" tournament in order to get into the APA National tournament in Las Vegas. That one player (the example above) is only one player in about 200 that may qualify on a team to go to Las Vegas. Pretty poor odds 1 in 200 to waste a good competitive match, pay for that opportunity and still face those tough odds to make it to the "Big Show" VEGAS !!!
F.Y.I.

Marcl3954 said:
APA should be Sanbagging inc. - 08-24-2009, 11:52 AM

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I've been asked many times to play in the APA and won't for the sandbagging reason.
I've actually been told to make sure I lose my first match so I'd have more time before my handicap would go up.
I can't understand playing and not giving your best effort.
I also wouldn't be crazy about showing up and not playing.
I enjoy playing in leagues and tournaments knowing how good my opponent is. Making an art form out of Sandbagging and rewarding it is just a waste of time.
Anyone know if this is the way it is everywhere, or just in RI?
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idk

i don't know about the playing. i never got into any competition. but

to me it has always seemed like a pyramid thing. don''t want to say scam

but i think thats the way it works the top guys get the money. if i am

wrong about this i am sorry for saying any thing at all. but if i am right

i want to hear that too.:thumbup:
 
If you want to win and go to Las Vegas you have to have players whose handicap is less than it should be. In order to have these under handicapped players they have to lose on purpose and run up innings. The APA concept is good, but unfortunately people will always try to beat the system and get an advantage.

I've seen some of the matches here where I live and it's a shame to see someone with a "2" handicap in 8 ball break and run out and I've witnessed it with my own eyes and i'm not talking about an easy run out. I watched a female "3" handicap run out from the break and she made 2 bank shots during her run out! I guess the APA is fun for people who don't care about anything but having a night out, but for the players who want to compete and improve their game they will have a hard time beating players like I just described in a tournament. That's only 2 examples, but there are many many more.

James
 
I know someone who should be a 7 but is a 4. He'll run up innings and miss on purpose.
Blow easy posisition, mis cue, mess up the break, just stay a 4.
Then he plays in tournaments and doesn't miss.
I can't understand how it can be enjoyable to have to play bad.
 
i think

:rolleyes:it is things like this that takes the meaning out of the word !

it should be called HANDICRAP !!:rolleyes:
 
Call your league operator . . .

Report the sandbaggers . . . often. Have them send a spotter out to watch . . .

I USED to play APA, but NEVER again. Watched the same BS happening here over and over. We turned folks in, but it never got fixed. Political crap, etc.

I have much more fun playing BCA and the talent level is a lot more consistent. The handicap comes into play for the weaker teams like it should, but for most of the teams/players it just like playing everyone straight up. You normally get one trip to the table if you're not playing defense - if not - you miss, you lose. I can deal with that.
 
The person that won the 9 ball white tier (4-5) is a known big time sandbagger in his local area. I heard he was bumped up to a 6 afterwards but he took of with $10,000 before he was bumped.
 
Marcl3954 said:
APA should be Sanbagging inc. - 08-24-2009, 11:52 AM

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I've been asked many times to play in the APA and won't for the sanbagging reason.
I've actually been told to make sure I lose my fist match so I'd have more time before my handicap would go up.
I can't understand playing and not giving your best effort.
I also wouldn't be crazy about showing up and not playing.
I enjoy playing in leagues and tournaments knowing how good my opponent is. Making an art form out of Sandbagging and rewarding it is just a waste of time.

Anyone know if this is the way it is everywhere, or just in RI?
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Consider the APA a social. There are some that ruin it for the majority, by doing the things you mentioned. So if you go into it for the social aspects, then you won't be disappointed. I am sure the cheating is a big part of any handicapped league, especially when the prize is large.
 
oldzilla said:
:rolleyes:it is things like this that takes the meaning out of the word !

it should be called HANDICRAP !!:rolleyes:
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Hello

This is the game of pool and it has a long history of Hustling. Sandbagging is in no way new to any thing where Gambling and prize money is involved.

APA is a For Profit League by the operator. To bring in and keep members they must offer a Handicrap system. IMHO all the League rules and Handicraps for all Leagues are designed for the C and D players and to speed up their play. In my day as a Kid we had no ball in hand and we actually had to shoot Spot Shots and call kisses etc.

You either live with the things you can not change or don't joint them. I personally don't like the APA Rules in general so I have never played APA. But it seems to me in the short time I have been on this forum there is way too much *****ing about APA. Enjoy your night out away from the Wife and choose other non Handicrap tournaments to test your skills.
 
I play in the APA and know it is a rip off. It is advertised to win over $1,000,000.00 or somewhere around that. It is impossible for someone to win that.

The other is the amount that is paid out to a team to go to Vegas is not enough to cover the trip. One team from our area that will be going has a 50/50 drawing every night to raise some extra money. I know that if our team were to quallify I would be the only player that could afford to go. The rest of the team just don't have the money.

So why do I play. For the social part and a reason to go out. I am not a person that will just go into a bar to play. This gives me a chance to go into different bars and meet other players and play pool without having to worry about getting into a fight over some silly bar rule.

The $8 that I pay covers the table time as being a 6 I will usually get to play 5 games or more. At a dollar a game that is worth at least $5 and then we get a free drink so that covers the rest of my $8. Most of the time there is another table that is also open so I can play on that. Over all it is a cheap night out where I can be with other players and have a good time.
 
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sanDbagging... sanbagging would be an activity without bags :)


this is the reality of APA and it is pathetic. I play one APA night because of a friendship I hold with my teammates. I embrace playing ANYONE in the APA in any setting and bashing their brains in on the table. I have no issues with sandbaggers anymore because I know they exist and I know they cannot be eliminated.

I have NO tolerance for sandbagging on my team and will ask players to leave if they want to do it. I keep my end of the deal clean and have been successful doing it.

Sandbaggers do not know how to win when it counts and they ultimately have no success in pool... they live their pathetic lives as losers and justify their losing in the hope that they can have an unfair advantage over another player. Pretty sad existence.
 
Marcl3954 said:
APA should be Sanbagging inc. - 08-24-2009, 11:52 AM

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I've been asked many times to play in the APA and won't for the sanbagging reason.
I've actually been told to make sure I lose my fist match so I'd have more time before my handicap would go up.
I can't understand playing and not giving your best effort.
I also wouldn't be crazy about showing up and not playing.
I enjoy playing in leagues and tournaments knowing how good my opponent is. Making an art form out of Sandbagging and rewarding it is just a waste of time.

Anyone know if this is the way it is everywhere, or just in RI?
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Actually it's more like a Ponzi Scheme. They use the "23" rule to force teams to break up and split into more teams, which is the cause of all the sand bagging. It's the only sport league I know of that penalizes you for improving your game!

I'm asked all the time join APA teams and refuse to to give these bloodsuckers another cent of my money! It's a discrace!

Sherm
 
Hate to play devil's advocate....

Improving your game does NOTHING for room owners or bars in terms of income. Sandbagging and the rules are to encourage LONGER play. Hence more drinks sold or games played on quarter tables so the venues can make money. If they truly wanted people to improve it would hurt the sport in the long run. The same guys would be winning all the time and membership would drop off. Then too many people would get discouraged and drop out. Less money for bars or pool rooms. The whole point of league play is to sell alcohol. If the point of league play was to get better at pool they would use tighter pockets, normal cue balls, bigger tables. Without people who are bad/ mediocre at pool there would be no places left in business to support people who are GOOD at pool.
 
Da Bank said:
sanDbagging... sanbagging would be an activity without bags :)


this is the reality of APA and it is pathetic. I play one APA night because of a friendship I hold with my teammates. I embrace playing ANYONE in the APA in any setting and bashing their brains in on the table. I have no issues with sandbaggers anymore because I know they exist and I know they cannot be eliminated.

I have NO tolerance for sandbagging on my team and will ask players to leave if they want to do it. I keep my end of the deal clean and have been successful doing it.

Sandbaggers do not know how to win when it counts and they ultimately have no success in pool... they live their pathetic lives as losers and justify their losing in the hope that they can have an unfair advantage over another player. Pretty sad existence.
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Terrific post!!!
 
All of you complaining about the APA should stop for a minute and start looking at the people you are playing with. The system is alright. It is the people you are playing with that are trying to cheat the system.

You should also take a good look at yourselves. If you are not marking all of the defensive shots, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. If you know of an obvious sandbagger and you are not submitting his name for a player review, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. If, in any way, you are trying to control your skill level, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. It is the people who make the system work, or not.

The APA system, as well as any other league system, is fine. They all have their little differences, but they are all good systems. It is the people who are the liars and cheats. If you don't like what is going on, do something about it, rather than just coming on a forum and *****ing about the system.

BTW, other than as a player, I have no other connection with any league system. I just get tired of players complaining when they are the problem.
 
Rich R. said:
All of you complaining about the APA should stop for a minute and start looking at the people you are playing with. The system is alright. It is the people you are playing with that are trying to cheat the system.

You should also take a good look at yourselves. If you are not marking all of the defensive shots, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. If you know of an obvious sandbagger and you are not submitting his name for a player review, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. If, in any way, you are trying to control your skill level, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. It is the people who make the system work, or not.

The APA system, as well as any other league system, is fine. They all have their little differences, but they are all good systems. It is the people who are the liars and cheats. If you don't like what is going on, do something about it, rather than just coming on a forum and *****ing about the system.

BTW, other than as a player, I have no other connection with any league system. I just get tired of players complaining when they are the problem.
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Rich, how many leagues are there? I know of BCA league, APA, TAP. Are there others?

I guess some pool rooms have in-house leagues for the locals too. :smile:
 
JAM said:
Rich, how many leagues are there? I know of BCA league, APA, TAP. Are there others?

I guess some pool rooms have in-house leagues for the locals too. :smile:
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You mentioned the big 3, to the best of my knowledge. There is also the Valley leagues and I believe there is one more, but the name escapes me at the moment.
Of course, there are numerous in-house leagues.
 
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