Mark Griffin, John Rousseau and Chris DelaGarza... Who else is running?

There are quite a few ex-BCA league operators that are now current ACS league operators that would argue that when the BCA sold the league system to Mark Griffin it was a questionable business transaction.

Mark Griffin defended his position and transaction quite admirably to all the ex-BCA turned ACS league operators in an open discussion at the 2003 BCA Vegas event.

Questionable Business transaction? I doubt it, but there are biased ex-BCA league operators and members that think so.

The BCA also sold the right to call the league 'BCA' a specified time and from what I understand, the BCA just sued to get the rites back to the BCA trademark.

If this makes Mark Griffin a 'marked' man of questionable business practices then someone has some explaining to do.

As always I am just expressing my opinion. A humble one it is.
 
JCIN said:
It is at this point where, if I was Royce, I would tell your hiding behind a keyboard, crying out for attention, creepy wpba player stalking ass to go take a flying leap.

But Royce has a lot more class than I do.
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Wow, man. I've never been anything but complimentary to you and your team. I've told people to buy your PPVs and DVDs and suggested that anyone wanting to see live pool streamed the right way should check your stuff out. Oh well.
 
I met Mark once and I feel I am a very good judge of character, he is a stand up guy who is very smart business wise. As for John Rousseau he is another guy who I feel would really do so much for the WPBA and look out for the womens best interest. If they were both on the board the WPBA would be better then it ever has been. :smile:
 
poolsnark said:
Wow, man. I've never been anything but complimentary to you and your team. I've told people to buy your PPVs and DVDs and suggested that anyone wanting to see live pool streamed the right way should check your stuff out. Oh well.
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LOL. I love how people think they have some sort of hammer over me because I have a business in this industry. I guess you can dish it out but not take it. Oh well.
 
Is there a salary associated with being a WPBA board member or is it done simply for the love of pool?
 
poolsnark said:
Yeah. Retraction for what? When someone gets sued, its pretty safe to say that the guy suing doesn't like they way the guy being sued does business. Not sure why that is so hard to understand, but if it makes you all feel better here goes:

Regardless of the fact that Mark Griffin was sued by the BCA, it is clear that everyone in the known universe holds him and his business practices in the highest regard. To draw the assumption that any individual or company who's done business with Mr. Griffin (including those that sued him) have anything but the utmost love and respect for him was both irresponsible and foolish.

Does that work for you oh mighty OB One?
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OK, poolsnark, let me enlighten you...

Mark Griffin sued BCA... BCA didn't sue him.

With that being said with YOUR OWN STATEMENT ABOVE, who was doing the "Shady Business"?

I will not go into anymore of this detail because the case has been settled with Mark Griffin still owning the BCAPL... that should give you the hint who was doing the shady businesss.

S.
 
sunnyday said:
OK, poolsnark, let me enlighten you...

Mark Griffin sued BCA... BCA didn't sue him.

With that being said with YOUR OWN STATEMENT ABOVE, who was doing the "Shady Business"?

I will not go into anymore of this detail because the case has been settled with Mark Griffin still owning the BCAPL... that should give you the hint who was doing the shady businesss.

S.
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i dont know much about this stuff.
but i do know anything mark griffin has done in the pool world has been good for pool.
 
real bartram said:
damn you would have to love pool for this job.
have to respect anyone who would go for the job.
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You could also be crazy or masochistic to go for the job...LOL. But seriously...it is a lot of work that comes with a lot of heartache, frustration, and next to no appreciation.

Thank goodness for people like Mark, John, Mimi, Cristina, Tamre, etc....the ones who are willing to take it all on. And thanks also to those industry people already serving...like Stu and Mike H.

Best of luck to everyone running.

Melissa
 
JCIN said:
LOL. I love how people think they have some sort of hammer over me because I have a business in this industry. I guess you can dish it out but not take it. Oh well.
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Que? I can dish and take, but I'm quite confused as to what I have dished out to you other than support for your company. And as for me being a creepy WPBA stalker, I do believe the appropriate title is Superfan.

/huggles
 
sunnyday said:
OK, poolsnark, let me enlighten you...

Mark Griffin sued BCA... BCA didn't sue him.

With that being said with YOUR OWN STATEMENT ABOVE, who was doing the "Shady Business"?

I will not go into anymore of this detail because the case has been settled with Mark Griffin still owning the BCAPL... that should give you the hint who was doing the shady businesss.

S.
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Sunny, thank you for the response. I'm still not sure where you're getting this whole "shady business" thing. I have not once said that Mark is involved in any shady business. All I said in my blog post was "He’s passionate about pool and will likely win a seat, but let’s just say that not everyone is a fan of how he does business." People aren't fans of how pretty much every Fortune 500 CEO do business, but all this drama just hammers home the point of why pool is considered untouchable by any company with sponsorship money outside of the industry.

I never said he was shady, I never said I thought he was shady. At any rate, I'm done with all of this.
 
poolsnark said:
Que? I can dish and take, but I'm quite confused as to what I have dished out to you other than support for your company. And as for me being a creepy WPBA stalker, I do believe the appropriate title is Superfan.

/huggles
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Well in one thread you managed to impugn the integrity one of my friends who is the most honest guy in the industry and when another friend who does more than most to support the game asks you a legit question, you come with some flippant bullsh!t.

I read your blog and find that we agree on a lot of things. I think you go way overboard with the "hottie" stuff but I get that is your schtick. The problem with posting wrong information about someone's character and business dealings is that uninformed people will take it as truth.

Plus I am an asshole.
 
poolsnark said:
Sunny, thank you for the response. I'm still not sure where you're getting this whole "shady business" thing. I have not once said that Mark is involved in any shady business. All I said in my blog post was "He’s passionate about pool and will likely win a seat, but let’s just say that not everyone is a fan of how he does business." People aren't fans of how pretty much every Fortune 500 CEO do business, but all this drama just hammers home the point of why pool is considered untouchable by any company with sponsorship money outside of the industry.

I never said he was shady, I never said I thought he was shady. At any rate, I'm done with all of this.
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OK, my apology - seriously:sorry: You never said Mark Griffin was shady. But you thought BCA sued Mark Griffin followed by this statement: (copied from one of your reply) "When someone gets sued, its pretty safe to say that the guy suing doesn't like they way the guy being sued does business." ** It's safe to say most people interpret your statement as guy getting sued is doing something... not right = not legal = somewhat shady...

No, you didn't come out and say that. Based on your posts, I interpreted shady.

Poolsnark, it's too bad that this thread has got you in the receiving end of fire... I didn't even know about your blog statement until I read it here and was just curious where you got that information or notion..., I only started this thread just because I was curious who he was running against. Honestly, I don't think he will win the votes either... based upon few information.

On the other hand, it's good to know that there are more people who stand up for Mark's endeavor and devotion to the sport. It makes me feel better to know there are more people supporting him than against him:)

Peace,
Sunny
 
Wpba

I saw the post on Poolsnark's blog (poolCueNews.com) a few weeks ago and e-mailed him to explain his comment about some 'not liking the way I do business' - I never received an answer so I sent him another request. Still no answer.

I actually enjoyed his site and comments BUT (with the info he posted in this thread) he is misinformed on several items.

As pointed out, I sued the BCA because they refused to continue honoring a contract that was several years old - AND voted to take legal action against me. I did not want to sue them but their actions kinda forced me into it. Since the court system resolved the issue, several of the board members came forward and apologized to me - even though they had voted to sue me.

The lawsuit did NOT take a long time to settle - actually was fastracked and was resolved in approximately 6 months (which is VERY FAST). I will not go into the particulars but just say that I am still the BCAPL.

As far as the original sale went, I was one of 2 board members that stated the BCA should NOT sell the leagues. When the decision was made to sell them, I informed everyone that I would be interested in acquiring the leagues, and excused myself from any future discussions. John Lewis, WHILE still being employed by the BCA, was busy starting the new organization that is now known as the ACS.

I would expect to disagree with many of the original ACS supporters. They decided to align themselves with a leader who showed he had no limits to what he would do or say to 'hi-jack' the BCA pool league system. I will say that we have since recaptured the faith and loyalty of many of those leagues.

In the future, if anyone has any questions about me or my actions, PLEASE ask me. I can be contacted at 702-719-7665.

Mark Griffin
markg@playbca.com
 
sunnyday said:
I only started this thread just because I was curious who he was running against.
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And I feel bad for posting the information and causing this thread to blow up :(

I didn't think much of his comment on Mark as the first thing that popped in my head was that APA doesn't like him and left it at that and moved on. I assumed that's what everyone else would think it meant...

Brian
 
Ok, I'm almost done. Let me say a couple of things in all seriousness. I get that Mark and Royce are your friends and I appreciate the fact that you're willing to defend them so vigorously. I did not say anything that was even remotely slanderous, so I did not feel that a retraction was in order. I made a simple statement a few weeks ago on my blog, which was clearly taken the wrong way and then blown completely out of proportion.

As for my blog and the hottie stuff, I do it for a few reasons. First, because I do enjoy the WPBA and the harsh reality is that the casual fan (who is the key to crossover success) is of the opinion that most female pool players are unattractive and manly. This is a huge misconception that I would very much like to see go away. Add that reality to the fact that when players who dress to the nines and are appealing to the eye are on TV, the ratings spike. This is not my opinion. This is a fact that is supported by the Nielsen Ratings for pool on ESPN.

Yes, my blog is often completely juvenile and almost always written with tongue firmly planted in cheek, but the feedback I've received from the vast majority of the "hotties" has been positive (most likely because the hottie stuff is pretty harmless). Whenever possible though, I try to keep an open dialog with the players about what I am posting.

As for Sarah and Liz (who most of you know I am constantly gushing over), I focus on them for a couple of reasons. Both have a good sense of humor, have always been nice to me and are excellent bloggers who I feel very strongly about supporting. If either Sarah or Liz (or any of the players) emailed me and said "dude, quit it, you're creeping me out", you wouldn't hear another hottie, foxy or megaswish comment about that person.

At any rate, I have zero interest in a war of words with TAR, OB Cues or Mark Griffin. Each of you have added substantially to the industry in your own way which I appreciate as someone who wants to see the industry grow. Yes, I'll continue posting on my blog and I'm sure I'll say many, many other things that will piss people off, but you can't make everyone happy. Those who like the blog will read it, those who don't, won't.

Best of luck to all of you with your respective endeavors. Now I'm done. Out.
 
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